Germany - Spain : the COMBINED team

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:how can you pick nina over villa?

Frank - give up mate.

You u should know by now that its pointless asking.

They see what they want to see - let them be.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Frank - give up mate.

You u should know by now that its pointless asking.

They see what they want to see - let them be.

Says the man with 1,000 excuses


Samaras

klose is cleary ahead of villa/torres

he scored 2 important goals in the knock out stages and is more gifted with the ball, better header too

-------------------Iker

Ramos-----Puyol---Metzelder------Lahm

------------------Senna
---------Xavi---------------Fabregas
Piggy-------------------------------PolishDolski
-------------------Villa.

One of the easiest teams to pick EVER. This team picks itself.

------------------------Casillas------------------------

-----Ramos----Puyol----Marchena----Lahm------

----------------Xavi----------Senna---------------

--Iniesta--------------Ballack------Silva----------

--------------------------Villa-------------------------

just wonder is any german "fans" have changed their view after the side was outplayed in the final?

i frankly wouldnt pick any german player over any spanish player...not one single one..the final showed us perfectly they are in a different class..

dont panic! wrote:i frankly wouldnt pick any german player over any spanish player...not one single one..the final showed us perfectly they are in a different class..

You surely must be the alter ego of Deisler/Toni Kroos.

kroesius wrote:

dont panic! wrote:i frankly wouldnt pick any german player over any spanish player...not one single one..the final showed us perfectly they are in a different class..

You surely must be the alter ego of Deisler/Toni Kroos.

nope...theres one big difference...what i write is not biased...its the truth...who on earth would pick any german over a spanish player after that game?...which german was/is better?

this isnt just about germany...i wouldnt pick players from most other countries over the spanish players at the moment...but..in this thread..we are talking about a combined german/spanish team..and nothing else...

i ain't too sure about that trees, i don't think the spanish defence is all that, BUT amazingly the germans were worse. in many ways whilst i can appreciate good defensive football, its great that 2 teams who didn't have great defences got to the final, and hence attacking football was the winner. at least the germans didn't do an italy, it's just ultimately the flaws in their squad were exposed. imho they do have 5 good players (at least 2 of who had poor tournies by their standards) but some of the others were distinctly average and hence whilst they played as a team you simply can't overcome good sides all the time with good teamwork and good organisation, ultimately you need quality in most positions to break other teams down, something they lacked.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:i ain't too sure about that trees, i don't think the spanish defence is all that, BUT amazingly the germans were worse. in many ways whilst i can appreciate good defensive football, its great that 2 teams who didn't have great defences got to the final, and hence attacking football was the winner. at least the germans didn't do an italy, it's just ultimately the flaws in their squad were exposed. imho they do have 5 good players (at least 2 of who had poor tournies by their standards) but some of the others were distinctly average and hence whilst they played as a team you simply can't overcome good sides all the time with good teamwork and good organisation, ultimately you need quality in most positions to break other teams down, something they lacked.

the german defence was terrible the entire tournament..the spanish midfield ist just so good no german would get in..and klose has been awful..

i honestly cant imagine anyone would seriously pick any german over a spanish player after this tournament..

kroesius wrote:


"Kicker" EM Top Elf

lahm?...

dont panic! wrote:

kroesius wrote:


"Kicker" EM Top Elf

lahm?...

I for myself would also add Schweinsteiger.

i'd have had schweini instead of the midget but lahm i wouldn't have had

Surprised so many people (across various newspapers and websites) are putting Iniesta in their teams. He didn't have a particularly good tournament...can certainly play much better.

Poor whenever I saw him.

dont panic! wrote:
lahm?...

Lahm, not for me either. He´s too attack minded and caused too many costly mistakes.
I don´t know if full back is the best position for him. He could be a very dangerous winger instead.

kroesius wrote:

dont panic! wrote:
lahm?...

Lahm, not for me either. He´s too attackminded and caused too many costly mistakes.
I don´t know if full back is the best position for him. He could be a very dangerous winger instead.

People say that and in the same breath criticise Anne Friedrich for being too boring and not attack-minded enough.

What they then forget is that while yes, Lahm showed some pretty surprising defensive weaknesses at the tournament, he also had Poldi in front of him for a couple of games, who simply isn't used to tracking back and covering the player behind him so that Lahm faced two players at once a few times.

That said, I wouldn't have him (Little Philipp) in my XI of the tournament either.

Torres and Iniesta is ridiculous.

Senna and Scweini had much better tounaments.

anglophileHedgehog wrote:

kroesius wrote:

dont panic! wrote:
lahm?...

Lahm, not for me either. He´s too attackminded and caused too many costly mistakes.
I don´t know if full back is the best position for him. He could be a very dangerous winger instead.

People say that and in the same breath criticise Anne Friedrich for being too boring and not attack-minded enough.

What they then forget is that while yes, Lahm showed some pretty surprising defensive weaknesses at the tournament, he also had Poldi in front of him for a couple of games, who simply isn't used to tracking back and covering the player behind him so that Lahm faced two players at once a few times.

That said, I wouldn't have him (Little Philipp) in my XI of the tournament either.

I actually thought Lahm was very solid until the last two games. People are too quick to judge players on one or two games. The same was true with Ramos at the start of the tournament "Ramos is crap", "Ramos is overrated", then after a couple of good games the same people go to the other end of the spectrum.

BBC's team

-----------------Buffon
Ramos--Marchena--Chiellini--Gio
Iniesta--Senna--Snejider--Turan
---------Villa----Arshavin

Subs:

Casillas, Volkan
Pepe, Lahm, Capdevilla
Sionko, Rakitic, Frings, Ballack
RVN, Pavlyuchenko, Nihat

Some odd picks there

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/euro2008/2008/06/team_of_the_tournament.html

bizarre that they mention Frings & Ballack but not Schweini and Podolski.

Xavi, Zhirkov are two other pretty blatant omissions.

also surprising -given the amount of British TV Pundit semen he's been coated in all tournament - that Torres doesn't get in either.

Yes definitely. According to the article they done a sweep of everyone in the BBC Sport's office, so some of the inclusions (and ommissions) are surprising. I'm not necessarily sure Xavi has to be in the team though, Snejider played just as well if not better. Maybe they could have changed the formation and dropped Iniesta to stick Xavi in.

It's amazing how many news/sports outlets have selected Iniesta. Even look at the comment in that article alot of people seem to have selected him. Iniesta was ok in these Euros but he played as bad as I've ever seen him play to be honest. I guess it shows his class that many seem to think of him as one of the better performers, though for me, there were better performances in this tournament from other players.

I also agree that Zhirkov should be in the side, and I'd take Anyukov over Ramos too

Deco, Pirlo & Chivu may have deserved shouts in midfield too

The giant doesn't look too impressed with your selection otto.

S4P wrote:The giant doesn't look too impressed with your selection otto.

S4P with such simple yet effective delivery, you could get a job at the Sun or Mirror

Football Genius wrote:

S4P wrote:The giant doesn't look too impressed with your selection otto.

S4P with such simple yet effective delivery, you could get a job at the Sun or Mirror

They wouldn't let me do the ratings or reviews of an England game though.