Has the X-Factor tag been proven

Last few weeks, he's been pretty much fucking living up to his name. While a Mr Downing has been nothing short of abysmal, though i haven't seen him.

This thread is for Borocooper to apologise in

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Richardsons form will come to an end whilst Downings class continues to shine on.

Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Nah I'm not into the Young hype

I'll allow you to come back and remind me if I'm wrong and he goes on to do something great with his career

COTR wrote:

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Nah I'm not into the Young hype

I'll allow you to come back and remind me if I'm wrong and he goes on to do something great with his career

I assume you think Riera is the X-Factor then

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:

COTR wrote:

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Nah I'm not into the Young hype

I'll allow you to come back and remind me if I'm wrong and he goes on to do something great with his career

I assume you think Riera is the X-Factor then

Most definitely

Zidane mark II

COTR wrote:

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:

COTR wrote:

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Nah I'm not into the Young hype

I'll allow you to come back and remind me if I'm wrong and he goes on to do something great with his career

I assume you think Riera is the X-Factor then

Most definitely

Zidane mark II

Bruno Chey-who?

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

COTR wrote:

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Nah I'm not into the Young hype

I'll allow you to come back and remind me if I'm wrong and he goes on to do something great with his career

You not rate him then?

He just found his level , 2ndly he was never a winger never so he obviously didnt work there , he's an AM and can develop into a poor man Gerrard /Lampard with good long shots good work rate good free kicks good long range passing etc kind of features goes in his favour.

Ray Parlour wrote:

COTR wrote:

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:Ashley Young is the true X-Factor

Nah I'm not into the Young hype

I'll allow you to come back and remind me if I'm wrong and he goes on to do something great with his career

You not rate him then?

I do, but not as highly as most people seem to do.

He's an excellent prem player, benefiting from a system tailor made for him but I doubt he'll ever step it up to become a great CL / international or big game player

He stood out in a different Watford formation?

The amount of assists this guy provides is ridiculous. Can do anything a winger should be about to do. Pass, dribble, beat his man and cross. I think if he carries on the way he is playing he'll earn a move to a top 4 team most likely Liverpool or Chelsea. He needs it to further his England chances.

He isnt really a winger though he is a wing forward like Ronaldo.

I dont really know what COTR wants from Young..Riera has done a semi decent job for Liverpool..after shocking time at Man City and a a half decent bit of time in Spain and he thinks Riera is the dogs bollocks. Young was one of the stars of the Watford side at a young age and now is doing it week in week out for Villa, yet he'll never be good enough to play for Liverpool in the CL? Seems mental to me to be honest. Why would someone with pace, who can dribble, cross, shoot and pick out a decent pass fail at a higher level?

borocooper wrote:I dont really know what COTR wants from Young..Riera has done a excellentsemi decent job for Liverpool..after shocking time at Man City and a a half decent bit of time in Spain and he thinks Riera is the dogs bollocks. Young was one of the stars of the Watford side at a young age and now is doing it week in week out for Villa, yet he'll never be good enough to play for Liverpool in the CL? Seems mental to me to be honest. Why would someone with pace, who can dribble, cross, shoot and pick out a decent pass fail at a higher level?

I'm not going into way he has done an excellent job as I have explained myself on the Liverpool thread.

I disagree with COTR. He can correct me if I'm wrong but what I gather from Liverpool fans. If we are to play 4-4-2(which we can vary with the 4-2-3-1 at different times and matches) and Gerrard isn't going to play on the right side of midfield than Young would perfectly fit in. Though he is a bit more of a wing forward and plays off the left than a traditional winger but I'm sure he can play a little bit deeper in a more standard 4-4-2. He did so for Watford didn't he?

Kuyt wouldn't make way for him but on current form and knowing Rafa will always play 99/100, he could play upfront with Torres.

-------------Torres---------Kuyt--------------

Riera----Alonso/Masch---Gerrard----Young



Saying that I'm really happy with the team more or less. I worry about LB a little, if and when Aurelio gets injured. For various reasons Young to L'pool won't happen. I hope we try to sign Vargas who would be sensational for us and would be our answer to Utd and Aresnal's LBs.

I'll push his rating up to decent. He's not done anything exceptional IMO..just provided a good solid outlet on the left wing. He's scored a goal and hasnt got any direct assists but does put the ball in the box. Has the confidence to try and beat a man and so far hasnt had any bad games..he will eventually though, everyone does, and then we'll see what he's made of. 8 games in and some are talking like he's been the missing link. When in actual fact, he's just a decent player doing a decent job that none of the other shite you've bought in recent years managed to do.

well he is the missing link David because since signing him suddenly we are the best team in the whole world.

We can write off his time at City because he couldn't speak English and was in a poor City side. Geovanni didn't look anything special at City but now he's at Hull he's the bee's bollocks. Shauwn Right Phillip looks awesome at City but was a big 4 flop. There's no formula.

Geovanni looked half decent at City, just wasnt really give enough chances as there were better players ahead of him.

borocooper wrote:Geovanni looked half decent at City, just wasnt really give enough chances as there were better players ahead of him.

Geo looked decent for about 10 games and even in those games he only flittered in and out of games producing the odd bit of crucial

Last season what was it... Elano(bar like 2 months during the Xmas), Petrov and Ireland were all infront of him and rightly so as all proved to be more consistent

Yeah..thats pretty much what I said.

if Riera 'loses it' we always have plan Babel

Crazy to think that players with the quality of Phil Babel are now only considered for plan B. He seemed a sure starter a month or so ago.

not a bad player to have on the bench

SWP failed because there was no subtelty to his game, the same way Cisse failed at Liverpool.

Young has plenty of things, his game isn't one dimensional. I watched a lengthy Compilation of his 2007-08 season, and what struck me was the sheer variety of things he can do.

No he doesn't have Walcott's pace, He can't dribble like Lennon, he probably isn't as good a crosser as Bentley, and he doesn't have the shooting Power of SWP, or strike a dead ball like Beckham.

Yet he's at least a 7.5 - 9 out of 10 in all these categories, the others look pretty one-dimensional compared to him.

Hip Hip Heurelho wrote:SWP failed because there was no subtelty to his game, the same way Cisse failed at Liverpool.

Young has plenty of things, his game isn't one dimensional. I watched a lengthy Compilation of his 2007-08 season, and what struck me was the sheer variety of things he can do.

No he doesn't have Walcott's pace, He can't dribble like Lennon, he probably isn't as good a crosser as Bentley, and he doesn't have the shooting Power of SWP, or strike a dead ball like Beckham.

Yet he's at least a 7.5 - 9 out of 10 in all these categories, the others look pretty one-dimensional compared to him.

I agree with your point about Young's versatility, but you actually think that Lennon knows how to dribble???
He's average at best in this category, Young is definitely better.

Lennon is pretty good when he's having a dribble, he's about as good as Theo.

Lennon like Walcott uses his pace to get past players. But let's not forget Lennon hasn't developed or shown anything about him all year, while Walcott seems to have assists, goals , and for want of a better word "x-factor" in his play.

But I agree with Triple H here, I'd rate A.Young the best English RM for his consistency.

I wouldnt say its just pace they use though, to be fair. It isnt like they just knock it and run..they do have some strength about them and some dribbling ability, not up to the levels of Messi but similar in style I think.

borocooper wrote:I wouldnt say its just pace they use though, to be fair. It isnt like they just knock it and run..they do have some strength about them and some dribbling ability, not up to the levels of Messi but similar in style I think.

Agreed. IOW, they lack the close control and flashy skills, but have good acceleration to wrong foot the defender, and get past them.