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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:17 pm

    1 Barcelona 15 38
    2 Valencia 15 30
    3 Sevilla 15 30
    4 Villarreal 29
    5 Atlético 15 27

    Can anyone see Madridz i can't because they are so

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    Post by elbecko Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:31 pm

    Messiah wrote:1 Barcelona 15 38
    2 Valencia 15 30
    3 Sevilla 15 30
    4 Villarreal 29
    5 Atlético 15 27

    Can anyone see Madridz i can't because they are so

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    6 R. Madrid 15 26
    Temporada 2003-04 Jornada 15

    1 Real Madrid C.F. 33
    2 Valencia C.F. 31
    3 R.C. Deportivo 30
    4 C.At. de Osasun 26
    5 At. de Madrid 25
    6 R.C.D. Mallorca 23

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    11 F.C. Barcelona 20


    We all know how it ended... Wink
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:37 pm

    Hem fet un mal partit wrote:Did you see Gurpegui's accident.. scary..
    What happened?
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    Post by King Modric Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:52 pm

    elbecko wrote:

    We all know how it ended... Wink

    Sad

    On the other hand, if Barca collapses... cheers
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    Post by King Modric Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:55 pm

    One thing I`ve noticed this year is that the top 6 teams in La Liga have been far more stable than at any time in recent history. Villareal, Sevilla, and Atleti have consolidated their recent successes and Valencia have recovered much from last year`s disaster.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:56 pm

    Hem fet un mal partit wrote:Did you see Gurpegui's accident.. scary..

    I thought he got banned for taking drugs?
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    Post by toon h Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:46 am

    TM wrote:Don't you ever get bored of calculating points? Barca obviously going to win the league, get a grip!

    what the silly Madridistas don't realize is that we are well on our way to achieve our target of 12 points advantage over 2nd place by the time jornada 34 comes around... Twisted Evil
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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:15 pm

    GOOD DAY

    Víctor Valdés

    It’s high time La Liga Loca paid its dues to the one player that even the most barmy of Barça fans would still see swiftly swapped for an Iker Casillas-shaped shot stopper, if the chance ever came up.

    Valdés’s clean sheet on Saturday means that Barcelona have yet to concede a goal in their mini league of mayhem against Sevilla, Valencia and Real Madrid. The much-mocked Barça goalie only really had to make proper saves on two occasions, against Drenthe and Palanca, but he did what he had to do when the time came.

    The Madrid press claim that Barcelona weren’t at their best on Saturday night, but this humble blog thought they played at a fairly decent level, but were blocked out by a team desperate not to be given a hefty hiding.

    La Liga Loca has previously rambled away on Barcelona’s patience this season, and it will do so again as Pep’s Dream Boys kept on pushing forward for the whole match, perhaps in a more constructive manner towards the end of the game than in the first half.

    “We wanted to run faster than the ball,” complained Guardiola on his team’s frenzied start to the game.

    With an eight-point lead over their nearest challengers, the league looks done and dusted, which is a bit of a shame considering the high hopes everyone had for a four-way funfest at the beginning of the season. When does Big Brother start again?

    Metzelder, Cannavaro

    Real Madrid fans may have been watching the first 15 minutes of Saturday’s game from behind the sofa - or perhaps the chaise longue - considering the ostentatious opulence of the Bernabeu fanbase, but some fantastic work from both Metzelder and Cannavaro may have drawn them out.

    Before the match the omens were not good for the centre back pairing. The slow, sluggish German had barely featured this season, while Fabio Cannavaro had spent the campaign tossing himself about like Ever Banega on Miss Spain night.

    But their better-late-than-never interventions meant that both Eto’o and Messi were pale presences for much of the game - well, someone had to be without Iniesta.

    Heck, even Fernando Gago looked good - the first time La Liga Loca has ever written those words.

    Atlético Madrid

    “We are recovering from the unfortunate start to the league we had,” beamed Javier Aguirre after Sunday night’s 2-0 win over Betis that puts Atleti back into Champions League contention - because the rojiblancos have had so much fun this year.

    Most importantly of all, the three points lifts the rojiblancos above Real Madrid. Sadly, Deportivo could not complete their part of the winning bargain to give much of Spain even more of a giggle on Monday morning.

    Valencia

    La Liga Loca would like to give a detailed breakdown of Valencia’s hard-fought win over Espanyol on Saturday night. But it can’t. And that’s thanks to, TV station, La Sexta’s (more on them later) blatantly rubbish attempts to broadcast the game.

    The action from the Mestalla was constantly interrupted by advertisements, split-screens or fascinating shots of Barcelona players driving into the Camp Nou car park sporting natty winter hats. They didn’t even bother broadcasting the final 10 minutes of the encounter.

    If it was a Deportivo game, then La Liga Loca would have been grateful. But instead, this was quite a crucial clash both at the top and bottom of the table.

    Sevilla

    Another side doing fairly well in their mini-marathon against the big boys. The 1-0 win over Villarreal - a victory that should have been a whole lot bigger, no thanks to an off-form Fabiano and Kanouté - gives Sevilla seven points from their four fearsome matches and moves them into third, equal with Valencia.

    While, president, José del Nido’s cracking claims that “Manolo Jiménez is the best coach in the world and this is the best team in the world,” may be a tad exaggerated, Sevilla continue to be a solid but unspectacular side.

    Getafe

    Getafe’s opening goal in the 4-1 win over Mallorca owed a great deal to a huge 9.9 point dive from Uche, but Getafe’s previously shot shy strike force has been warming up nicely with seven goals in two games, to go with the four against Real Madrid and Barcelona.

    Pedro López

    One day, Valladolid’s right-back is going to have a YouTube reel that will lead to a billion dollar move to Barcelona. His only goal for Valladolid last season was a thunderbusting thwack to beat Iker Casillas. And his only strike so far this year was Sunday’s chip over the despairing Deportivo keeper from near the halfway line.

    BAD DAY

    Rafael Van der Vaart

    Whether a losing-it La Liga Loca is coming down with something serious or is feeling uncharacteristically charitable, but it feels a little bit bad for putting Madrid into this bad day bracket. But, hey ho, anyway.

    Despite Saturday’s defeat that sees Real sink to sixth, it was a gutsy performance from most of the side - with Guti the notable exception - but the match was a big black mark against the name of Rafael Van der Vaart. And deservedly so.

    Although the Dutch midfielder had a bright start to the season, the former Hamburger has done diddly-squat to justify his reputation as a midfield maestro. On the pitch, he is prone to vanishing from games whilst off it, Van der Vaart has a reputation for moodiness.

    Juande Ramos’s decision to field an unfit Wesley Sneijder and then, newbie, Miguel Palanca speaks volumes over how little faith the new manager has in the Dutch disaster.

    Carlos Gurpegui

    A good day for Athletic with a 3-0 over Sporting in wet, freezing conditions, but a very bad one indeed for poor old Carlos Gurpegui.

    With five minutes left in the game, the midfielder came on to replace Fran Yeste, but only lasted two minutes after being stretchered off with a broken nose and concussion after a horrific clash of heads with, Sporting keeper, Iván Cuéllar.

    “The injury to Gurpegui means that we are not 100% happy,” admitted, Athletic boss, Joaquín Caparrós after their third home win in a row.

    Espanyol

    It’s time for a rare but always welcome edition of ‘Paul from Barcelona leaves the Catalan capital to watch Espanyol lose’. This time, our pain-loving Perico has been to Valencia to watch a 2-1 defeat.

    “The opportunity for free stuff doesn't come along very often for yours truly. So when the lovely Laura told us she knew Unai Emery and called him there and then, free tickets were ours.

    That is why, dear readers, I attended yet another away match just for the blog.

    A not-full-by-a-long-way stadium with about 200 Espanyol fans "swelling" the crowd.

    Espanyol set out their stall by being very defensive and hitting Valencia on the break and took the lead through Roman Martinez.

    Then, in a Barça style refereeing decision, the man in the middle sent off Rufete for two yellow cards. One for a foul that wasn't a foul and the second for a handball that was more bad control than anything else.

    Here's the painful bit, the ref didn't even see it. His view was blocked. So, with echoes of the Nene incident, we are down to 10 men and the big team who had not been playing well has a lifeline.

    You can guess the rest. Two second half goals gave Valencia victory. The second was good by Vicente. Espanyol had defended very well and deserved a point. Kameni and Jarque stood out.

    Two strikers for Xmas please Santa and an investigation into why we've had two players sent off against big teams while we were leading when the four so-called fouls should have amounted to just one yellow.

    Barça beware. You have competition in the Cr@p fans league.”

    Paul, Barcelona

    Mallorca

    Oh dear. The 4-1 loss to Getafe may be the end of Gregorio Manzano’s reign at the Ono Estadi. Especially after his pre-match comments complaining of the side’s financial problems. “The club is in an untenable situation,” grumbled the soon-to-be-unemployed coach.

    Osasuna

    The 1-0 away defeat to Recreativo had to hurt for Osasuna. But thanks to the scrappy nature of the bottom of the table, the season is not yet done and dusted for the Pamplonans who are just five points from safety, despite having won just one game all season.

    “We played like we’ve never done before but lost as always,” sobbed, manager, José Antonio Camacho after their latest loss.

    Joseba Llorente

    La Liga Loca has no idea what was barking up the Villarreal striker’s biscuit on Sunday, but Llorente looked like he was in an enormous strop as soon as the game started.

    Llorente saw red after two bad challenges - the second a high-footed shocker - and then preceded to pick arguments with much of the Sevilla side whilst flouncing off the pitch in the heftiest of huffs.

    La Sexta

    This rant will not make much sense to those readers outside of Spain, but here goes anyway. It’s hard to fathom how the channel can simultaneously be so good at covering football, and so bad.

    Their Super Saturday-style minute-by-minute show on Sunday evening is a joy to watch thanks to the genius presenter Patxi Alonso - whose wardrobe department picked out a t-shirt with the inexplicable slogan: ‘Who the f*** is Mick Jagger?’ for this weekend’s programme.

    But their coverage of live matches reached a new low on Saturday night, firstly for their terrible treatment of the Valencia game and for their frequent fondness of covering up the entire screen during the Camp Nou clash with pointless graphics telling you Guti has run 4.2km and that Barcelona are seventh best in La Liga for winning right-sided corners.

    And that’s not even mentioning, lead commentator, Andrés Montes. The channel's appalling derby coverage was a uniting factor for papers both in Barcelona and Madrid who branded the transmission as dismal in their Sunday editions.
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    In the end, after a week of much wailing and gnashing of Madrid-based teeth, the clásico was a good 'un. It didn't tell us anything new, but it served to confirm the fact that as Schuster said, 'This is Barça's year'. However, the difference between Schuster and the new incumbent, Juande Ramos, is that the latter is not given to media soundbites, and as such is a good choice for Real Madrid, at least until the end of the season. As Prime Minister Asquith said, 'Wait and see'. But as Asquith never said, 'Don't make defeatist comments to the press about not being able to win in the Camp Nou'.


    Eto'o celebrates after firing home for Barca

    Given the obvious chasm in general playing resources between the present Barcelona and Real Madrid, Schuster's comment was of course a fairly accurate one. In case you don't know (because Schuster's sacking post-dated last week's column by 12 hours), the German decided on the suicidal course of announcing to the press that Real Madrid couldn't win in the Camp Nou this last weekend, for which he was deservedly given his marching orders. President Calderón was still prepared to keep him on, despite the heresy committed (of which Schuster was keenly aware) but when a delegation of players asked Calderón to end their agony, the axe fell. When the dressing-room heavyweights say enough is enough, no manager can expect to stay.

    If Schuster had said that Real Madrid couldn't possibly win at Recreativo in the present circumstances, it would have been taken as another example of the German's particular sense of humour. But to throw in the towel before the clásico was a sin never previously committed, even in Madrid's darkest days. Most street opinion here in Spain agrees that this was Schuster's cry for help, a clear but implicit 'Sack me please!' He was granted his wish, and the trifling sum of seven million euros in compensation. Poor Bernardo. I'm sure there'll be a good home for him. Meanwhile, he can relax for a while on the golf course.

    Should the axe have fallen on Mijatovic first? Well that would have been a bold and perhaps equally popular move. Mijatovic had obviously been talking to Ramos for some time prior to the sacking, and Schuster would have seen the smoke signals. Mijatovic, in making Schuster's position impossible, has saved himself for the time being but you get the feeling that his days are numbered too, unless there is a vast improvement in the general atmosphere surrounding the Bernabéu. A lot may be resting on Klaas-Jan Huntelaar's young shoulders, Real's signing for the new year.

    And so the clásico was clearly steeped in even more interest than usual on Saturday night, and it was always going to be more focused on the visitors than on the hosts. In midweek, Juande Ramos made his managerial bow with an easy win over an apathetic Zenit, who rolled over and died with the minimum of resistance. It was the perfect start, and a convenient way to lift the gloom at the Bernabéu after a 'semana horribilis'. To some extent, it stopped the press speculation about how many goals Barça were going to score, the result having been decided upon the moment Schuster opened his mouth. Guardiola, instead of facing a team of no-hope victims, was suddenly presented with a potentially different game, planned by a man whose approach to the game was in general similar to Schuster's, but who was unlikely to risk an all-out offensive attempt to bring down Castle Camp Nou. To do that, you have to have some weapons. Juande Ramos' attacking instincts have always been tempered by pragmatism when it is needed. But at least he kept the press and Guardiola guessing.

    In the end, it wasn't difficult to see what Real Madrid would do. Keeping nine men clustered around the last third of the pitch they allowed Barça to advance and then worked very hard at breaking down their patterns of play. They also worked hard at assaulting Messi, and Sergio Ramós was aided and abetted with some enthusiasm by a whole bevy of his work-mates. Messi flitted and fluttered, but apart from a couple of shots in the first half his influence was minimal. Much to his credit, however, he kept trying. The bully-boy stuff failed to dampen his desire to win the game, and win it well.

    Raul, Juande Ramos

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    Juande Ramos gives out instructions to Raul

    Xavi also came in for some rough treatment, and although Barça saw plenty of the ball and dominated possession, Madrid's refusal to come out and tackle them before they reached the last third seemed to confuse their strategy, and isolate Eto'o from the action.

    Interestingly, Ramos picked Royston Drenthe and employed him almost as a lone striker, dressing marginally to the left. The idea was to exploit his pace to scare Barça on the counter, and to give Dani Alves - Juande Ramos' great apprentice, something to think about to stop him from joining the attacks. It worked rather well, not because Alves stayed back but because he is a player who takes risks, and then hopes that his pace will get him back to his defensive position in time. When Raúl played in a lovely diagonal pass to Drenthe in the first half the Dutch player was away, Alves missing in action. He should have scored, and the result might have been different. Valdes did well to stand up to him, as he did later in the game when the young substitute Miguel Palanca was played in behind the defence, again by the excellent Raúl. Apart from that, and a snap-shot by Sjneider, Madrid's virtues were all defensive ones - which is saying something when they seem to have had their goal peppered all season so far. Even Michel Salgado played quite well, given that Henry was in threatening mood all night.

    It was also interesting to see Cannavaro play so well. Give him a clear game-plan, as in his catenaccio days of yore, and he responds with the instinct of a pure-bred Italian defender. In a destructive sense, he was the best player on the park.

    In short, Madrid recovered a bit of dignity on the night, but Barcelona looked enormously superior, with an embarrassment of riches that bears testament to the stability of their planning department, despite some of the internal problems that it has also suffered in the past few years. Twelve points distance from Madrid at this stage is a distance that previous Barça squads, with their tendency to indiscipline, might have thrown away. But this squad has a keener edge to it, a competitive instinct that was evident in the way that they too scrapped for every loose ball on Saturday night. The game was in fact more an example of commitment and fight than of fine flowing football, won in the end by the side with the greater quality. Madrid's top players - the few of them on the pitch, shone in the Camp Nou more than under Schuster's most recent regime, and Saint Casillas, questioned of late and dropped by Ramos for the Zenit game, responded in the appropriate fashion, with a five-star performance that included a penalty save from Eto'o.

    Madrid's next two home games are against what would appear to be two rather more feasible aspirants to this year's crown, Valencia and Villarreal, but in a sense who cares? Stuck down in sixth position, below their neighbours Atlético, Real Madrid could even have been out of the UEFA positions this weekend if Deportivo had won at Valladolid. Barça are eight points clear of Valencia and Sevilla and cruising.

    Things could still go wrong, Messi could get injured, and of course Barça will have an 'off' period, but the sheer variety of their resources on Saturday night was awesome. And that was without Iniesta, their best player last season. Interestingly, Gudjohnsen, for all his work-rate and passing, was instantly forgotten when Sergio Busquets replaced him with half an hour remaining. The youngster's immediate understanding of space and first-time passing gave Barça an extra gear, just as Madrid began to tire. With Guti and Sneijder gone, there was no-one left to hold the ball up for Madrid, reducing the likelihood that they would hang on. And they didn't.

    Ilker Casillas

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    Casillas: Back in action but couldn't save Real

    Juande Ramos' tactics may now be repeated by other sides at the Camp Nou, but they'll need to have a Sergio Ramos and a Cannavaro to pull it off convincingly. As for Juande, he has until the end of the season to make something of his position, and at the same time to stifle the doubts that have arisen about him following his failure at Tottenham. In a sense he can't lose, because the club's season surely cannot get any worse. The only way is surely up, but probably not very far.

    A continued run in the Champions League wouldn't do him any harm, but his position might also be conditioned by what happens at the top. The new rumours sweeping the streets of Spain is that Florentino Pérez is poised to carry out the 'reconquista' when Calderón inevitably falls, and that he will bring with him two saints from the past, Zidane and Valdano to sit on either side of his throne. This may be complete Cr@p but it's certainly a penny for our thoughts.

    And last but not least, next week's column will be my final one for the present season. Cue cheers and popping of champagne corks. It's not that they've done a Schuster on me (although seven million would be nice) but rather that I've accepted a job in the Middle East for the next six months and am taking the family out for a temporary change of scene. Of course, I fully intend to watch La Liga with the aid of my trusty digibox and satellite dish, but reporting on things from afar wouldn't be quite the same. I've been writing this column non-stop now for eight years, and my only objective has been to try and reflect what it's like on the ground here. Spain is a special place, and Spanish football contains spices that you simply cannot taste if you're not here. That's all I've tried to do over the years - convey the taste in words. I'm afraid that I won't be able to do that from my desert hideaway.

    So I'm taking a sabbatical, and if they'll have me back, the column will start up again on the opening day of next season. I promise to write the occasional piece from the desert, especially when Villarreal make it to the Champions League final. Next week, if you'll excuse the indulgence, I'll do a retrospective of these last eight years. Hasta la vista, or at least until next week.
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    Post by fcb Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:47 pm

    I'm guess this 2nd one was Phil Ball?
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    Post by Guest Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:59 pm

    yes
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    Post by fcb Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:29 pm

    Some good goals this week, mainly Uche's first for Getafe and Valladolid's 2nd, which was one of those halfway line ones which happen once a season. Shit goalkeeping though.

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