Serie A 08/09 Season Attendances

I think Calidad made a thread about it but I can't seem to find it.

I was looking at some statistics of Attendance for this season and things have really picked up! The Serie A seems to be getting it's luster back.

Napoli have raised their average attendance significantly, as have Lazio after their fantastic start to the season. I remember them getting something in the vicinity of 20,000 to the Olimpico as little back as last season so it's really amazing how quickly they've managed to average 35,000 this campaign. Fickle f*cks. The big Milan clubs have also pulled their weight with Milan only playing one game at the San Siro with an attendance of under 50,000, and Inter averaging above 50,000 fans a game.

More than 2/3 of the teams have increased their Season ticket sales by a thousand or more. With big teams such as Roma and Inter chipping in with 500 each.

Unfortunately, Juventus is once again the embarrassment of Serie A averaging a lowly 22,000 fans a game in the 70,000 seat capacity Olympic stadium in Turin.


Season Averages:
1. Milan - 58,646
2. Inter - 52,443
3. Roma - 40,756
4. Napoli - 39,848
5. Lazio - 34,997
6. Fiorentina - 29,977
7. Genoa - 25,288
8. Sampdoria - 24,069
9. Palermo - 22,526
10. Juventus - 22,188
11. Bologna - 19,632
12. Catania - 18,343
13. Torino - 16,837
14. Udinese - 15,412
15. Lecce - 13,614
16. Atalanta - 12,921
17. Reggina - 11,515
18. Chievo - 11,473
19. Siena - 10,370

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http://www.stadiapostcards.com/A08-09.htm

It all looks promising, and it's one of the signs that the league is on it's way to reaching the heights of seasons past. There's still a long way to go though, Roma still have the highest attendance for this decade with an average home attendance of 64,000 in the 00/01 Scudetto season. (I just had to add that part in didn't I? )

Calgari 11.696 on average:

http://www.weltfussball.de/zuschauer/ita-serie-a-2008-2009/1/

Feyenoord, without offering anything resembling football, would be 3rd in Italy with 44,000

Its hardly good though, is it? With 10 teams under 20,000 and only five team above 30,000.

Juventus

Feyenoord would be 4th in the EPL mate. Just saying...

@Tweeds - The question isn't about whether it's good or not is it? It's about the improvement of attendance mate - There has been a massive rise in gate sales and turnout compared to last season. In that sense things are looking promising, definitely. Especially in this economic climate.

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Some championship teams would average more then some Serie A teams, even some league one teams like Leeds probably or Leicester.
It is a poor stat, it also means that the Italian teams can not count on gate money as a reliable source of income.
So Newcastle averages approx the same as the Italian champions.

I would have thought that after winning the World Cup there would be better attendances in Italy.

Can anyone tell me why exactly a team like Juventus has poor attendances?

- poor stadium location
- shit stadium
- Local support for Juve isn't actually that great - their support on a national basis is high but regionally its not that great.

You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

I thought Juve's new stadium carried 40000?

The redevelopment work on the Delle Alpi has yet to start. They're still playing at Torino's Communale.

Murray wrote:You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

well 27,500 but pretty much correct they are sharing the stadium of Torino until the stadio del alpi is refurbished

anyway the stadio del alpi's location is not a huge issue, plenty of stadiums requrie a bit of of a journey to get there, the atmosphere is shit and with the running track around it you are so far away you can barely see. I was there years ago and you couldn't tell the players apart, and that was when they were on my side of the pitch where i was behind the goal, so imagine at the other end of the pitch.

110% wrote:

Murray wrote:You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

well 27,500 but pretty much correct they are sharing the stadium of Torino until the stadio del alpi is refurbished

anyway the stadio del alpi's location is not a huge issue, plenty of stadiums requrie a bit of of a journey to get there, the atmosphere is shit and with the running track around it you are so far away you can barely see. I was there years ago and you couldn't tell the players apart, and that was when they were on my side of the pitch where i was behind the goal, so imagine at the other end of the pitch.

Italy really need to improve the quality of their stadiums, and improve the security to encourage families. Thats why I was hoping that Italy win their bid for Euro12, that would have definately helped!!

That said, BM's main point is valid. For last 2 seasons, average attendances in Italy are going up. They will never reach the levels of EPL/Bundesliga, but as long as they starting reaching the 30,000 mark in a few years, it will be a great achievement. Its about 24000 now, up from a low of about 19000 a few years back, so its good progress.

Never say never bluey. Have you seen 28 days later?

110% wrote:

Murray wrote:You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

well 27,500 but pretty much correct they are sharing the stadium of Torino until the stadio del alpi is refurbished

anyway the stadio del alpi's location is not a huge issue, plenty of stadiums requrie a bit of of a journey to get there, the atmosphere is shit and with the running track around it you are so far away you can barely see. I was there years ago and you couldn't tell the players apart, and that was when they were on my side of the pitch where i was behind the goal, so imagine at the other end of the pitch.

Good post.

Tweedle wrote:Its hardly good though, is it? With 10 teams under 20,000 and only five team above 30,000.

Juventus

To be fair, at least Juve are trying to address the issue, and are building a modern stadium... From 2010-11, they will have a brand new stadium to start attracting the crowds.

I hope other clubs follow suit.

DS wrote:Some championship teams would average more then some Serie A teams, even some league one teams like Leeds probably or Leicester.
It is a poor stat, it also means that the Italian teams can not count on gate money as a reliable source of income.
So Newcastle averages approx the same as the Italian champions.

I know DS, Serie A has a long way to go to catch Germany and England, but we knew that already. The point of this thread was not to boast about attendances or anything like that, because let's face it, it's still below par in relation to the name brand. It was to show the rapid improvements in turnout among all teams in such a short space of time - It's extremely encouraging. Lazyo managed only 15,000 fans at the Stadio Olimpico some home games last season, and now they're averaging 35,000? That's amazing.

Poor infrastructure is to blame for a lot of things, but until there is a solution we can atleast hope for attendance to rise from on the pitch matters, and it's an indication of the improvement of the league as a whole - That's why I made the thread, as well as a retort to Calidad's thread. (which I can't find)

Murray wrote:You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

The website I obtained that information had the pre renovated Attendance of 68,000. My mistake. Apparently the capacity is 27,500.

110% wrote:

Murray wrote:You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

well 27,500 but pretty much correct they are sharing the stadium of Torino until the stadio del alpi is refurbished

anyway the stadio del alpi's location is not a huge issue, plenty of stadiums requrie a bit of of a journey to get there, the atmosphere is shit and with the running track around it you are so far away you can barely see. I was there years ago and you couldn't tell the players apart, and that was when they were on my side of the pitch where i was behind the goal, so imagine at the other end of the pitch.

I've only been to the Delle Alpi, Stadio Olimpico in Rome and the Stadio Franchi in Siena but yes, the quality of stadia is a big issue. Franchi was very small, but the atmosphere was great in the hot sun and the positioning in relation the the pitch was superb. The seating was crappy though, but if the capacity was doubled (to around 35,000) I'd be happy with it.

The Delle Alpi is just horrible though, it feels like you're completely disconneted from the match. It was raining both matches too and there wasn't a roof or any sort of protection from the weather. I didn't enjoy myself at all.

Black Magic wrote:

Murray wrote:You've made a big mistake about Juve, their stadium capacity is only about 23000.

The website I obtained that information had the pre renovated Attendance of 68,000. My mistake. Apparently the capacity is 27,500.

It ain't a mistake, they are just two different stadia.

Delle Alpi stadium has indeed 68.000, but it's now closed awaiting demolition to make room for the new Juventus owned stadium.

Olimpico stadium (former Comunale) is where both Torino and Juventus are back playing since 2006. It has 27.500 covered seats after being refurbished for Turin winter olympics in 2006 - hence the new name. Previously had 65.000 standing capacity. It's gonna host Torino only just after the new Juve stadium is ready.

I know that, but pre redevelopment of the Olympic stadium had a capacity close to 70,000. I know the Delle Alpi can fill 69,000.

Black Magic wrote:I know that, but pre redevelopment of the Olympic stadium had a capacity close to 70,000. I know the Delle Alpi can fill 69,000.

I think they are looking for a much smaller capacity foro Delle Alpi after the renovations... something like 40000. Makes sense, since they don't get much bigger crowds anyways. It will be ready for use in 2010-11 season.

Serie A teams need to visit Asia more often to get more money and popularity which can help them build better stadiums.

Sorry but isn't Serie A already popular enough in Asia?

Most of the Asian posters on here are Serie A fans.

yeah, but to gain more money and popularity, please visit us!!!

Pras Gallagher wrote:Serie A teams need to visit Asia more often to get more money and popularity which can help them build better stadiums.

The italian supercup is happening in China this year, thats a good start

not just a meaningless friendly - its a competitive game.... and most likely its gonna be a derby d'italia!!!

Derby della Madoninna you mean? Milan v Inter will be much more interesting than Juve v inter

You know what really would help? More Italians visiting their clubs!

But most of the stadiums are so poorly designed, the fiorentina one for example. Yesterday I almost felt sorry for the c**ts because of their shitty away section.

Are tickets so expensive? Or italians just hate to travel and just prefer to stay home?

We would already sell out if Kuyt was doing a warming-up!

Pras Gallagher wrote:Derby della Madoninna you mean? Milan v Inter will be much more interesting than Juve v inter

Yeah, but we are talking about the supercup. Even a miracle cannot get Milan a ticket for that one I am afraid. It will be Inter vs one of the remaining 3 coppa teams (Juve, Doria, or Lazio). So its a good chance that its a Derby d'italia (Inter vs Juve).

Fey wrote:You know what really would help? More Italians visiting their clubs!

But most of the stadiums are so poorly designed, the fiorentina one for example. Yesterday I almost felt sorry for the c**ts because of their shitty away section.

Are tickets so expensive? Or italians just hate to travel and just prefer to stay home?

We would already sell out if Kuyt was doing a warming-up!

Feyenoord fans must be the reaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllll football lover