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    which star player would you "like" to leave ?

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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:29 am

    at your club ?

    are their any BIG NAME superstars at your club that are sensational in their own way , but ultimately BAD for the TEAM ?

    that seemingly, on paper, are the envy of all the other clubs, but really, just suck the oxygen out of the team by hogging the limelight on or off the pitch ?

    yesterday, I read a fascinating/shocking stat

    it concerned the , arguably, best striker in the world

    KLOSE

    the Pole is currently at the top of the CL top marksmen list, but seems to be stuck in a rut in the Bundesliga

    at Bremen he broke all the goal/assist stats, and then kind of got worse, once Diego joined and cut off the supply lines

    at Bayern, Klose is now playing alongside Toni, who just suffocates the Pole

    nearly 2 metre tall, Toni just positions himself bang in the middle of the penalty area, where Klose often used to fish, forcing Miro to now run circles near the edge of the penalty area

    number of assists Toni produces for Klose: +- ZERO

    the shocking stat I saw yesterday went like this

    Klose scores a goal every 70 minutes for Bayern when Toni is NOT on the pitch

    Klose scores a goal every 530 minutes when Toni is ON the pitch

    Yikes

    recently, Toni was subbed by Klinsi with 20-30 minutes to go and Klose immediately scored a brace

    one or two games later, Toni was subbed in the first half with an injury, and again Klose scored

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    Toni is undoubtedly a brilliant player, but the truth is that Klose+ANYBODY would be a better combo than Toni+Klose

    the giant Italian just suffocates everybody around him

    you could use the same argument for Ribery, who plays like a playmaker on the wing (helped by Ze ROberto and Lahm), leaving Schweinsteiger on the right with the crumbs

    Diego at Bremen is another example (allez has posted a link to that effect), VDV at HSV (without him Trochowski and the rest are finding their scoring boots)

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    usually, when these players leave their club, panic breaks out; nobody thinks these superstars can be replaced

    usually, it works just fine though

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    so who are the primadonna big name stars your team might just about survive without ?
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    Post by Deano Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:33 am

    Stats for League Goals:

    Miroslav Klose: 43 apps, 18 goals
    Luca Toni: 48 apps, 33 goals.

    This obviously doesn't include European matches in which Toni has undoubtedly scored tons more for Bayern.

    I think the answer is to sell Toni who has scored nearly twice as many as Klose in just 5 more games.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:44 am

    since Torres joined Liverpool Kuyt hasn't been scoring as regularly, Torres needs to go.
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:47 am

    you are missing the point, deano

    Toni has indeed scored MANY goals

    but at the expense of the other players, who, playing alongside him, tend to score VERY LITTLE

    that's the point of this thread

    Toni is a VERY prolific striker but sucks the life out of the rest of the forwards

    Beckenbauer said: "Toni is a typical Italian striker: he sees himself, the ball and the goal"

    implication: but NOT his team-mates

    when Klose has a 70% chance of scoring but Toni on his right has a 75% chance of hitting the net, Klose passes the ball

    making Toni look like a wonder-striker with dream stats

    when Toni has a 30% chance of scoring but Klose on his left has a 70% shot, Toni just tries to get on the score-sheet anyway

    there have been times when the QUIET Klose was shouting like mad at Toni for not seeing him

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    recently, there was a shift in Klose's behaviour

    Toni still hogs the central position , making it almost impossible for Klose to get the "easy" goals, but Klose now refuses to play the Mother Theresa of football

    the result: whereas in the past Klose created truck-loads of assists for Toni (getting VERY little credit in return; Toni would not even run over to Klose to thank him or celebrate the goal with him), these days you can count Klose-to-Toni-assists on one hand

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    I have always tooted Toni's horn on here, calling him one of the top three strikers (with Klose and Eto O)

    but

    if he left, he would SET HIS TEAM-MATES FREE
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:49 am

    Since Ibra joined the club, Adriano has not been scoring as regularily. Ibra has to go.... You gotta love this logic Wink

    Otto, perhaps the stat you need to look before deciding whether Toni needs to go is - How many minutes do Bayern take to score with Toni, and how many without Toni. If Bayern score more regularily without Toni, then yes, you may have a point. Not Klose, but BAYERN!
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:53 am

    bluenine wrote:Since Ibra joined the club, Adriano has not been scoring as regularily. Ibra has to go Razz

    You gotta love this logic Wink

    the logic is pretty clear

    if A scores 10 goals, but B or C scores only 2 goals alongside him

    BUT

    B scores 10 goals and C alongside him another 9 goals

    which pairing would you prefer ?

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    seems to be the kind of PURE MATHS lesson you missed in school

    Biggrin
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:55 am

    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:
    bluenine wrote:Since Ibra joined the club, Adriano has not been scoring as regularily. Ibra has to go Razz

    You gotta love this logic Wink

    the logic is pretty clear

    if A scores 10 goals, but B or C scores only 2 goals alongside him

    BUT

    B scores 10 goals and C alongside him another 9 goals

    which pairing would you prefer ?

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    seems to be the kind of PURE MATHS lesson you missed in school

    Biggrin

    Look at my complete message. Forget A, B, & C. Do the maths for the club on the whole. Only then you can make your point.
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    Post by abundance Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:08 pm

    that's sensible.


    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:Klose now refuses to play the Mother Theresa of football
    this is quite interesting. Is it only a Klose-Toni friction, or are there issues with other teammates? When in Florence, Toni was highly praised for his hard-working-for-the-team style - but then, he was the only lion in the zoo.
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    Post by Deano Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:10 pm

    Yeah but surely the fact Toni seems to score all the time...shouldn't really matter.

    If Savio started to score 33 goals in 48 games...I couldn't give a fuck if Ashton/Cole/Di Michele scored alot less...
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    Post by 110% Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:23 pm

    Let me take a huge dump on otto and klose:

    Klose's stats in the Bundesliga:

    Season--------Goals
    2001-2002------14
    2002-2003------9
    2003-2004------10
    2004-2005------15
    2005-2006------25
    2006-2007------13
    2007-2008------10
    2008-2009------9

    Looks like he had a kevin phillips style blip in the 2005-2006 season but likes to keep his average per season at around the 12 mark and he's about on target to achieve that. What you should concentrate on is how he managed 25 goals in that one season, and why it was never repeated.

    I'm guessing the discussion will now turn to assists.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:26 pm

    110% wrote:Let me take a huge dump on otto and klose:

    Klose's stats in the Bundesliga:

    Season--------Goals
    2001-2002------14
    2002-2003------9
    2003-2004------10
    2004-2005------15
    2005-2006------25
    2006-2007------13
    2007-2008------10
    2008-2009------9

    Looks like he had a kevin phillips style blip in the 2005-2006 season but likes to keep his average per season at around the 12 mark and he's about on target to achieve that. What you should concentrate on is how he managed 25 goals in that one season, and why it was never repeated.

    I'm guessing the discussion will now turn to assists.

    I think you make a good point re the Toni arguement.... Klose in my eyes is best as a support striker anyways, and IMO its good that he has someone like Toni playing alongside him to convert the chances he and Ribery create.
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:27 pm

    [quote="abundance"]that's sensible.


    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:When in Florence, Toni was highly praised for his hard-working-for-the-team style - but then, he was the only lion in the zoo.

    Toni is a super-nice guy, but on the pitch he is SELFISH as hell

    to some extent , for a striker, this is normal

    but his antics are clearly starting to piss off Klose

    as I said, Toni does not celebrate his goals with the guy who sets them up AT ALL

    he usually plays for 90 minutes and is virtually never subbed

    Klose, even when he is better, is taken off first: that's the hierachy; Toni is the star

    when Toni was taken off 20-30 minutes before full-time, he was so furious that he even refused to shake Klose's hand

    Rolling Eyes

    zero team spirit, the lad

    even Klose then said, he would discuss this with Toni behind closed doors

    God knows how, considering that Toni speaks no German or English

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    @blue

    I have limited stats at hand

    BUT

    Klose and Toni are equally prolific in a system that suits them

    the exception being that Klose can score truck-loads of goals AND assist a lot at the same time: ie he is the perfect team player who makes players next to him look good (Poldi at the 06 World Cup being the best example)

    Toni also scores for fun, but at the expense of others

    it becomes a one-striker show

    I am 100% certain that a Klose-Poldi combo would have a higher combined number of goals per game than a Toni-Klose combo
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    Post by A & K Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:22 pm

    You are seem jealous he is doing better than your favorite.
    He is scoring lots of goals and that's what counts. What if he never scored but had lots of assists you would be moaning he is not scoring enough.
    Lot's of great strikers have to be selfish otherwise they wouldn't that great. As for not celebrating with his team mates is not a big deal, maybe it's because of his personality. He does tend to go and see the supporters first but lots of players do this.

    You often see him point to the guy who set him up:
    http://www.oleole.com/videos/bundesliga20082009/lucatonigolspelobayernmunich/mv3ci.asp
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    Post by A & K Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:23 pm

    Alive and Kicking wrote:You are seem jealous he is doing better than your favorite.
    He is scoring lots of goals and that's what counts. What if he never scored but had lots of assists you would be moaning he is not scoring enough.
    Lot's of great strikers have to be selfish otherwise they wouldn't that great. As for not celebrating with his team mates is not a big deal, maybe it's because of his personality. He does tend to go and see the supporters first but lots of players do this.

    You often see him point to the guy who set him up:
    http://www.oleole.com/videos/bundesliga20082009/lucatonigolspelobayernmunich/mv3ci.asp
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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:28 pm

    This is an interesting one (link is on the Euro Cups UEFA last 32 thread, re Diego from the SZ), but I can't say I'm convinced, although this (liberating the team by selling the star)is sometimes the case (e.g. Henry at Arsenal). I mean Diego may attract all the attacking play to himself at Bremen, and do little defensive work, but in a game like last night he was constantly working hard to make the difference and was more than anyone else (given the mistakes made by others) the man with the wherewithal to make that difference, so it was no surprise when he finally got the equalizer himself. There may however be something to the notion that Werder sometimes play faster, and better, without him.

    At Arsenal, though the likes of Pierre would crucify me for suggesting it, one can't help speculating what could be done while leaving out Adebayor and having an (interchanging?) attacking quartet of, say, RvP, Eduardo, Arshavin and Nasri (Walcott, Rosicky, Cesc...) ahead of a defensive midfield platform. I hasten to stress that you can't really argue Ade gets in the team's way or stifles its progress by channelling attacks through him, it's more that he's out of form at the moment, so the temptation to see how we'd get on without him is there. He is the only genuine No.9 in the squad (even if Eduardo is the better finisher), along with Bendtner, and the latter hasn't proved he's consistent enough to take on his role, while an Ade on top form is an asset to any side in the world (unrecognizable from his recent form, of course); but if a massive sum were offered for him, it might be worth thinking about...

    (Put it this case, £25-30m for him that could hypothetically be used to purchase a top-class Flamini/de Rossi-style player, with the attacking options we would have when players recover from their injuries, would make most Arsenal fans think...)
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:36 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:
    (Put it this case, £25-30m for him that could hypothetically be used to purchase a top-class Flamini/de Rossi-style player, with the attacking options we would have when players recover from their injuries, would make most Arsenal fans think...)

    If you really wanted Flamini, I think, I think you could get him very very cheap.
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    Post by debaser Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:50 pm

    It sounds like a good combo if it produces so many goals - and also sounds like they are simply playing to the strikers relative strengths: Toni is the better goalscorer, Klose the better provider. If something's working, no need to play around with it just to boost the German's stats.

    No doubt Chelsea should axe Lampard to give Ballack more of a chance to score.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:05 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    Allez les rouges wrote:
    (Put it this case, £25-30m for him that could hypothetically be used to purchase a top-class Flamini/de Rossi-style player, with the attacking options we would have when players recover from their injuries, would make most Arsenal fans think...)

    If you really wanted Flamini, I think, I think you could get him very very cheap.

    What?! To be honest I think Mathieu deserved better from us than the attempt to sell him off to Birmingham, as well as the presumed refusal/reluctance to give him near-parity with the club's highest earners; he's always been an astute businessman who knows how to get the best for himself, and he's half-Italian, so I find it difficult to see him wanting to slot back in with us, but god knows if there were any such possibility I'd want us to jump at it...

    what do you think I was ranting to myself last night (not only at his cross for Inzaghi's goal)... "if you don't want to play him then give us our fucking player back!!" Sad
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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:08 pm

    In all honesty Ballack just is much better in a 4-4-2, it's a great shame he's still with that club...
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    Post by Football Genius Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:11 pm

    Otto mate, let me help you out here.... Klose is a bag of Rooneys shite Ale

    I've said all through his hype hes a poor mans RVN and, fuck me i'd rather Huntelaar and that pretty much says it all ok
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    Post by Rasiak-9 Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:27 pm

    We don't really have any "stars" in the team as such but i suppose for us our most talented player that i really don't miss when he's not available is Adam Lallana.

    He's one of those players that looks great to anyone watching him play one-off as he's got good pace and can beat players with ease. He's almost two-footed as well.

    The problem is however that despite this, he creates fuck all and can't really come up with that defence-splitting pass and create chances which after all is the main responsibility of an attacking midfielder, not running round in circles, beating three players and then simply passing it on to the right-back. Failing this, you want your attacking midfielders to chip in a fair few goals and Lallana really doesn't have any sort of shot on him at all.

    So yeah, Lallana's a classic example of a talented player who manages to demonstrate his talent and promise yet be totally ineffective at the exact same time.
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    Post by Barrilete Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:15 pm

    so...haven't rebutted 110%'s stats yet???
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    Post by Chap Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:10 pm

    I would assume that the 'answer' to those stats would be something along the lines of him being a late-developer, spending a fair bit of time at a poor club, and tending to pick up injuries which stopped him from completing whole seasons. That said, I have no idea what his overall starts/goals ratio has been like in the league.

    But, far more importantly,
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    the Pole
    Is this new? I haven't been keeping up on Ottoverbiage. Is this a tacit admission of underperformance, or has Klose always been unGerman? Is Poldi the Pole 2, or is he a real mann?
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    Post by Khadrim Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:04 pm

    72-76-80-96-08 wrote:
    I have always tooted Toni's horn on here, calling him one of the top three strikers (with Klose and Eto O)

    but

    if he left, he would SET HIS TEAM-MATES FREE

    I can see where you are coming from where the presence of one player is detrimental to others. We had a similar situation where having a player like Bullard meant others had to suffer (Davies) or change the way they play (Murphy becoming a holding Mid). The problem is whilst Bullard leaving has led to an improvement in Davies performance and Murphy playing more freely, Davies isn't as good as Bullard and Murphy was better for the team as a holding mid. We are not as good as we were before.
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    Post by Dejan Savićević Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:21 pm

    Ronaldinho ok
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    Post by bluenine Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:30 pm

    --The Duck-- wrote:Ronaldinho ok

    Give him to Inter then!! We will give you Crespo in return - both teams will become stronger!
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:55 pm

    interesting stats about Ribery at Bayern

    it turns out the lad is completely useless Laugh

    since he joined the club he has struck nearly 140 CORNERS

    guess how many LED to a GOAL ?

    that's right

    ZERO lol!

    (we'd better not talk about his penalities at all)

    Ribery is also piss-poor when it comes to man-vs-man in terms of DEFENSIVE balls (defensives Zweikampfverhalten)

    he wins something like 36%; meaning: whenever the Frenchie is near the ball the danger of a COUNTER-attack is HUGE

    his overall defensive game is virtually non-existant

    SChweini is better on both counts

    also interesting: over the LEFT-wing, where Ribery causes defensive havoc, Bayern have already conceded 12 goals

    over the RIGHT wing, where the much criticised SChweini is playing, Bayern have conceded THREE goals

    bizarrely, considering that Ribery's genius lies in attack, only 16 goals were created over the left wing

    whereas Schweini's right wing, where Bayern have a HUGE problem according to Hoeness and Beckenbauer, has created 12 goals

    admittedly though, the left CENTRAL midfield (aka ZE Roberto) has initiated FAR MORE goals than the RIGHT central midfield (because van Bommel has to do most of the defensive work when Ze zooms forward)

    =

    Ribery is THE MAIN WEAKNESS of Bayern

    and NEEDS TO GO

    Laugh lol!

    (the stats are published in the latest Sportbild)
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    Post by Deano Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:14 pm

    lol!

    After the night Ribery and Toni just had...this thread becomes funny.

    Bump everyone!
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    Post by Allez les rouges Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:38 pm

    Gotta love Otto's timing indeed, bright spark ain't he Laughing

    Fronck RAUS Grr, he's shit

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