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    Post by Parks lives Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:21 am

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    Winners

    Manchester United
    Was that the decision that secured Manchester United a third successive title? From the moment that Howard Webb ignored obvious physics - the direction of the ball was the clue that Heurelho Gomes's intervention was fair - the outcome of penalty and game was inevitable. To United, another title and awe at their subsequent destruction of opponents who had had their stuffing knocked out. To Webb, the bitter recriminations.

    The former policeman's billing as the nation's top whistle-blower owes a huge debt to his physical prowess and just a couple of Zimbabwean dollars to the accuracy of his decision-making. Who still believes he can be trusted? His credibility as the nation's number one has become untenable because he has become particularly unreliable in matches involving the nation's number one team. It was Webb who missed Vidic' professional-foul shirt-pull on Samir Nasri in November, it was Webb who missed Rafael's tug on Morten Gamst Pedersen in February and it was Webb who facilitated United's comeback on Saturday with what Harry Redknapp generously called "a terrible decision".

    Having also dismissed Emmanuel Adebayor in ridiculous circumstances when Arsenal met Liverpool in December and become a figure of ridicule on the continent when he responded to a blatant trip on Lionel Messi in their Champions League quarter-final with Bayern Munich two weeks ago with a booking for the Barcelona forward, one conclusion - since made vociferously by Jermaine Jenas - is that Webb has a problem with big matches and big occasions. And given his status in the game, that's quite a problem.


    The Hosts At Old Trafford
    In 17 games on home soil this season, the champions have dropped just five points. In total since August 2006, they've failed to win just eight of the 55 matches played in the Premier League at Old Trafford.


    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Now two goals clear at the top of the scorers' charts. His headed effort against Tottenham was yet another reason to wonder just how effective he'd be as a centre-forward. He has every attribute a striker could want.


    Liverpool
    Since their defeat at Boro on February 28, they've dropped just two points.


    Frank Lampard and Xabi Alonso
    The outrage of the PFA awards is not the victory for sentimentality but the omission of both Xabi Alonso and Frank Lampard from the nominations.

    The Chelsea midfielder's consistency and longevity is phenomenal. The under-appreciation of his perseverance, commitment, fitness and hard work by his PFA peers is an inexcusable oversight that only serves to partially explain why, of the league's absolute elite, only Lampard has exceeded his natural talent. His success is the product of graft rather than craft and the revelation that the 19 or so saves made by Edwin van der Sar during Manchester United's run of clean sheets made a greater impression on his league peers is a depressing explanation for why the majority of Premier League footballers outside the big four are no better than average. They don't have to possess the outstanding talent of a Fernando Torres or a Cristiano Ronaldo, but they should at least be able to match and appreciate Lampard's dedication. Instead, they've opted to laud a player who has started just 12 league games.

    It is equally disconcerting that the quality of Xabi Alonso's passing has been passed over. His nomination would have been a nod of encouragement to a facet of the game that should be encouraged and it is little wonder that England continue to struggle on a world stage when our nation's footballers cannot spot a class act at the top of his game - what a lucky escape Rafa Benitez had in the summer - when he is pulling the strings right under their noses.

    And still the fixation with promoting footballers past and present to punditry in the deluded confidence that participation guarantees the power of perception.


    Ryan Giggs
    The back-handed-compliment winner of this year's Lifetime Achievement award.


    Fulham
    Good luck to Fulham. The Cottagers are heading for their best-ever finish in a Premier League season and could even be travelling across Europe next season as a result. A welcome side-affect should also be the removal of Lawrie Sanchez for the list of pundits working in the media on account of him being shown up by another reminder that management need not be a young man's promotion. Experience counts for far more than a recent retirement from a successful playing career.


    Fulham, Man City And Whoever Else Attempts To Insist There Is Still Life In Their Season
    Is there any hype in sport at the moment quite as duplicitous as the 'Race For Seventh'? How stupid do they think we are? Do they really think that we don't all know how this story goes? Team qualifies for Europe; team is lauded; team slags off playing in Europe; team says it would prefer to concentrate on the Premier League anyway. It is an annual event as regular as the leaves falling.

    The only change this year is likely to be that the process towards denouncement and withdrawal will be accelerated once it is spotted that the team that wins the extended Europa League next season will be required to perform in 19 matches.


    Ashley Young
    Young's goal at Bolton courtesy of an over-hit cross was his first since his manager described him as 'world class' in December.


    Andrei Arshavin
    Six goals and six assists in his first nine Premier League games, but not good enough to play ahead of Abou Diabolical in a FA Cup semi-final after a week's rest. Clever, Arsene, real clever.


    Blackburn Rovers
    One more win should be sufficient to secure their status for another year.


    Manchester City
    Only their second away win of the campaign.


    Losers

    Aston Villa
    Progress? Villa may not have won a game since early February but they're winning the battle of the spin. Their collapse - Last 11 games: Won 1, Drawn 5, Lost 5; Previous 11 games: Won 9, Drawn 2, Lost 0 - has barely been remarked upon by the national press that was lauding them as the next big thing of English football just a few months ago and fifth place has been talked up as progress without dispute.

    True enough, fifth spot in the league would represent a year-on-year step forward after finishing sixth in 2007/08. However, Villa still require another six points to overtake their haul of the last campaign and on present form they will fall short. If places are swapped with Everton then the Toffees will have the consolation, and excuse, of a FA Cup final, while Villa will still have their decision to effectively withdraw from the UEFA Cup to rue as the turning point of the campaign. Three days after fielding a weakened side in Moscow in order to concentrate on the Premier League, they capitulated against Stoke. Momentum sunk, they've been sinking ever since. It is a familiar story: they also only won three games after March last year and just four after Valentine's Day in 2006/07.

    "Would fifth place be progress?" asked Gareth Barry last week. "I think it definitely is." Nice try, but he's expected to provide an entirely different answer in a couple of months when his future is on the agenda. This season is Villa's missed opportunity and it is unlikely to come again next year. Both Tottenham and Arsenal have shown enough in recent months to convince that they'll be far tougher propositions in 2008/09 and so, in all probability, will be moneybags Manchester City. With the career of the hugely-influential Martin Laursen in doubt and the club's manager indicating on Monday that Villa would not spend big in the summer, it would take a brave man to bet on Villa finishing higher than seventh in 12 months' time.

    To appreciate the scale of Villa's decline, however, we should look back rather than forward. Rewind to January and Villa were being depicted - foolishly, of course, by observers who hadn't spotted the size of their squad - as title contenders. 'Villa emerge from off the radar to mount a genuine title threat,' wrote The Guardian's football correspondent Kevin McCarra on the penultimate day of that month. 'Often overlooked, Martin O'Neill's astutely assembled cast at Aston Villa are ready to pounce for the Premier League title...We ought to be glad that someone is striving to smash the cartel at the top of the table.'

    This weekend, when Arsenal all-but secured fourth spot, the Villa manager described his side's failure to "break through into the top four" as "a morsel of disappointment". No further comment.


    Nicolas Anelka
    Following Saturday's reports that Chelsea will make Anelka available for sale in the summer, his inclusion in the team to go through the motions against West Ham ahead of Tuesday's encounter in the Nou Camp was a clear message that he is now surplus to first-choice first-team requirements. Quite the irony, really, given that twenty-four hours later the striker - who has scored just one league goal since December 14 - was named in the PFA's 'Players Who Played Well Before Christmas Eleven'.


    Mikael Silvestre
    It's not gone well. When the long-awaited day comes that the causes of Arsenal's costly injury record is given proper examination, the signing of Silvestre from Manchester United should be offered as an example of how the Gunners foolishly contribute to their own misfortune.

    Bought on August 20 even though he was carrying an injury, it was then subsequently confirmed that his ailment was worse than first reported. Only on October 18 did Silvestre finally make his debut. Two months later and he was out again. Having returned at the start of this month, Silvestre had completed just three full matches before suffering a back spasm against Middlesbrough this weekend. The Frenchman is now rated as doubtful for the Champions League semi-final with his former employers and once again the Gunners are without defensive cover.

    Even if their occasional performances warranted their retention, and they do not, it has to be asked whether Abou Diabolical and Silvestre can be weighed in ahead of next season as first-team squad members when their availability is so unreliable. The answer should be in the negative because the lesson that has to be learnt from twelve months ago, when Wenger declined an invitation to bid for Arshavin in the apparent belief that Tomas Rosicky would return in September, is that, to progress, Arsenal need players they can rely upon more than anything or anyone.


    Everton
    Careful now. The Toffees can't afford to go off the boil in the league just because they have reached the FA Cup final. The matter of momentum has been a consistent theme throughout the season and Everton ought to heed the warning of Pompey and Tottenham last year after they both lost their way in the league after their own cup final progress. After finishing the season with a casual whimper, both clubs paid a steep price at the start of the current campaign and have been suffering ever since. Cup finals really should come with a health warning attached.

    Fortunately, motivation is close at hand. The difference between finishing fifth and finishing sixth is that while the former provides direct entry to the play-off stage of the rejigged Europa League, the latter only guarantees a place in the third qualifying round. That's approximately the difference between two additional weeks on a sun-soaked beach and an early return for pre-season training in early July.


    Middlesbrough
    With their four remaining games featuring dates with Manchester United and Aston Villa as well as trips to St James' and Upton Park, that should be it. And with just 25 goals from their 34 games to date, and an almost-as-bad 58 from their last 70, they won't be missed.


    Sunderland
    Falling back into deep trouble.


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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:31 pm

    It is a shame that instead of reveling in the most unpredictable EPL season in recent memory that all the hacks are focusing on something most football fans realised years ago.
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    Post by fcb Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:48 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:It is a shame that instead of reveling in the most unpredictable EPL season in recent memory that all the hacks are focusing on something most football fans realised years ago.

    Are you referring to the refereeing decisions for Man. Utd?

    If so, then it may be because the hacks are only just realising this now.
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:55 pm

    kas wrote:
    Stimulus Package wrote:It is a shame that instead of reveling in the most unpredictable EPL season in recent memory that all the hacks are focusing on something most football fans realised years ago.

    Are you referring to the refereeing decisions for Man. Utd?

    If so, then it may be because the hacks are only just realising this now.

    That is indeed what I'm referring to, though it should really be the refeering bias towards richer clubs of which Man U are just the pinnacle of a corrupt molehill of shit.

    Journalists have no basis for denial, it was proven scientifically that bigger clubs get better treatment from refs. Scientifically.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:04 pm

    Nice to know Pete Gill wont miss us.
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    Post by Dwarf Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:50 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:It is a shame that instead of reveling in the most unpredictable EPL season in recent memory that all the hacks are focusing on something most football fans realised years ago.

    Has this season really been that unpredictable?

    The top 6 is the same more or less as last year, the title winner will be the same as the previous year, there's the usual sucess story of "small" clubs in the case of Fulham and every couple of years or so a mismanaged "big" club finds itself in deep trouble as is the case with Newcastle this year.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:14 pm

    Dwarf wrote:
    Stimulus Package wrote:It is a shame that instead of reveling in the most unpredictable EPL season in recent memory that all the hacks are focusing on something most football fans realised years ago.

    Has this season really been that unpredictable?

    The top 6 is the same more or less as last year, the title winner will be the same as the previous year, there's the usual sucess story of "small" clubs in the case of Fulham and every couple of years or so a mismanaged "big" club finds itself in deep trouble as is the case with Newcastle this year.

    No, but that doesn't stop it being the most unpredictable in recent memory unfortunately. Certainly the most unpredictable since Everton finished 4th, but the status quo is still intact.
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:17 pm

    Dwarf wrote:
    Stimulus Package wrote:It is a shame that instead of reveling in the most unpredictable EPL season in recent memory that all the hacks are focusing on something most football fans realised years ago.

    Has this season really been that unpredictable?

    The top 6 is the same more or less as last year, the title winner will be the same as the previous year, there's the usual sucess story of "small" clubs in the case of Fulham and every couple of years or so a mismanaged "big" club finds itself in deep trouble as is the case with Newcastle this year.

    At Christmas, it looked like Liverpool were going to win the league, Villa were going to finish fourth, Wigan were going to finish 6th or 7th, Newcastle, Spurs and Man City were getting relegated.

    Even now Man U could throw away the league and the relegation battle is far from settled. In February Man U looked unbeatable, now they're conceding soft goals in more games than not. Liverpool, the notoriously boring 0-0 merchants have produced some of the best games of the season. I couldn't have predicted even half of this last August.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:27 pm

    We ave never really been in a relegation battle this season, we have in fact been 11th or higher the entire season except during the months of November and December were we fell to as low as 15th after defeat to Everton.
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    Post by debaser Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:35 pm

    Oooh, they just love jumping in for a good kicking when we're down. Having been forced to praise slightly through gritted teeth and putting up with a disgraceful distraction from the natural order of things for a month or two (not to mention their deep loathing for MON after he sued them) you can tell they enjoyed that little rant.

    For them saying 'this was Villa's only chance' and that Spurs and Man City will obviously do better next season, I can only say that form at the end of a season doesn't really mean owt as to how you'll start next time and what will happen. It's too easy to just look at current form and extrapolate.

    Next season, we won't be starting a month before every other team. And may have a stronger squad. O'Neill, in recent interviews, has alluded to mistakes he's made, the need to rotate more and build up the squad to avoid same thing happening next time. We shall see.

    To break the top 4 is simply a matter of accumulating 70+ pts over a season - whether Spurs and Man City improve is not a huge factor in that, we'll still only play them twice each - it's about being consistent against sides below ya. If we'd beaten Stokex2, Bolton, Boro, Newcastle we'd be breaking 70 pts.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:39 pm

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    Post by Dwarf Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:08 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:
    At Christmas, it looked like Liverpool were going to win the league, Villa were going to finish fourth, Wigan were going to finish 6th or 7th, Newcastle, Spurs and Man City were getting relegated.

    For Liverpool there was Arsenal last season, for Villa there was Everton last season in the race for 4th and Man City early on. For Fulham there was Portsmouth and Newcastle have been getting relegated every season for the past 5 years if you listened to pundits at Christmas.

    There were more big teams this season, but the fact two got out comfortably and now reside in the top half tells you how much that was hype rather than being realistic. Newcastle continued to be dire, so follwed the West Ham lline.


    Even now Man U could throw away the league and the relegation battle is far from settled. In February Man U looked unbeatable, now they're conceding soft goals in more games than not.

    By throw away the league title you mean drop points in two games in the past 5 months? They've looked beatable for the last two months, but it's taken one of the worst FA Cup semi finals in history followed by two central defenders taking penalties for it to cost them anything. You can only watch Inter miss chances for so long before you give up thinking anything will change...


    Liverpool, the notoriously boring 0-0 merchants have produced some of the best games of the season.

    If you believed the media anyway, they threatened that for parts of last seson as COTR/Glenn reminded us constantly that they were top scorers in all competition. The last 3 CL group games, which everyone they needed to win went :

    Liverpool 8-0 Besiktas
    Liverpool 4-1 Porto
    Marseille 0-4 Liverpool

    So it's not like it was totally unexpected.


    I couldn't have predicted even half of this last August.

    Clean sheet record going given Man Utd's CL form last season wouldn't have been that surprising, neither would Liverpool being top scorers. Liverpool being top of the big 4 league table is about the biggest surprise in the top 4 along with the 1-4 win at Old Trafford. Man Utd then looking beatable in the last part of the season was predicted by Barca fans and a number of others based on CL winning burn out. Liverpool doing well from the off wasn't entirely predictable, but considering how they finished last year as the strongest performing team it wasn't that surprising, neither was them dropping off over Christmas just like last year.

    You along with many others predicted Arsenals demise and many of us in the back of our minds expected them to pick it up in the second half of the season, so the only team that's been truly surprising Chelsea.

    Everton continuing there steady rise was expected as it was with Villa, Everton started slowly and never really got close in the race for 4th and Villa dropped off as expected when the squad got shown up. Spurs being dire was a surprise and Man City being as bad as they were and if they don't end up in the relegation battle that's really not a benefit for an unpredictable season.

    LRD's had money on Portsmouth going down since Adams was appointed and plenty of other people thought they were in trouble, most thought Ince wouldn't do great at Blackburn and there weren't many Roy Keane fans outside Man Utd fans. Zolas a bright spot, but not enough for you to forget about the contrived entertainment they brought in.

    No one had a clue about Stokes home form or Hull's early season form, but then no one really knows how to predict Championship bolters. The other bright spots were Fulham, Wigan and West Ham and to quote that article, who really cares about the race for 7th when the rest is so dull.

    You've then got Newcastle/Boro being worse than usual to pin up the season on, not great.

    Compared to 04/05 when you had Chelsea arriving on the scene blowing open the Arsenal/Man Utd monoply and had Everton pipping Liverpool for 4th it's no where near as good. You you had Man City facing Boro on the last day of the season for 7th and a 4 way scrap on the final day of the season with no team relegated going to the final day. You had Fowler missing a last minute penalty and Charlton equalising in the 90th minute to send Palace down to top it all off making West Brom the first side to stay up after being bottom at Christmas.
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    Post by Aristoskank Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:43 pm

    So it's the most unpredictable season in five years?
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:51 pm

    the big 4 weren't properly established 5 years ago. Liverpool had qualified for the Champions League sporadically and Chelsea had only just become a force. It was the big 2 with Newcaslte, Liverpool and Chelsea fighting for CL spots pre Roman Abramovich and Rafa Benitez.
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    Post by debaser Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:53 pm

    Bit unfair to compare the final day 05 with this season, when we haven't even had the final day yet! There's a good chance relegation battle will go to the wire -possibly 2 spots anyway, ditto 'race for 7th'. And hell, maybe even the title

    Man City may not have had the impact Chelsea had in their breakout season - but them signing Robinho on deadline day was pretty damn unpredictable!
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    Post by Dwarf Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:54 pm

    Stimulus Package wrote:So it's the most unpredictable season in five years?

    Well that season was notably interesting.

    There's been wonderful relegation battles in most seasons recently, the exception being in the season Spurs missed out on 4th on the last day but after that there's been nothing particularly special, same again this season.


    Bit unfair to compare the final day 05 with this season, when we haven't even had the final day yet! There's a good chance relegation battle will go to the wire -possibly 2 spots anyway, ditto 'race for 7th'. And hell, maybe even the title

    Fulham were dead and buried this time last season, so there's of course time to turn it around, if the title race is still alive and Hull need a win to realistically stay up we may ever get a decent final day match compared to Wigan last year. Saints point was they should be raving over an unpredictable season at the present moment, I was just providing context.

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