Barcelona vs. Chelsea CL SF discussion thread

Couldn't possibly be because it fits the stereotype of the wild (read: criminal) black man, could it?

Stimulus Package wrote:Couldn't possibly be because it fits the stereotype of the wild (read: criminal) black man, could it?

But... Ballack is a trained assassin from the commie side of the tracks!

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:

Stimulus Package wrote:Couldn't possibly be because it fits the stereotype of the wild (read: criminal) black man, could it?

But... Ballack is a trained assassin from the commie side of the tracks!

Trained, perhaps, but he has a long history of near-misses.

Luis wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Luis wrote:Drogba protested, yes it was over the top but we've seen it before from the likes of Rio Ferdinand and John Terry.

Ballack physically came into contact with the ref and for me this is worse behaviour.

Dont think we've seen them walk up to the camera and say "this ia fucking disgrace though" that will make things worse.

What's the difference between that and just saying it on the pitch?

The camera man pointing it right in Drogba's face is asking for trouble at such a moment of anger. I'm not condoning it but how can anyone say that is worse than Ballack almost man handling a match official? if that was the premier league he'd have been walking and we wouldn't see him again this season.

And to be fair to Drogba, it was a fucking disgrace, worst refereeing i've ever seen and it's about time Uefa stood up and admitted this.

The difference is in the involvement of a camera. The camera is always there as well..he hardly put it in his face..he walked up to the camera just to say it.

Tweedle wrote:It wasn't the fact they were shit so much as the fact he was trying to cross to midgets against giants! Its just completely the wrong thing to try against Chelsea.

Good crosses are always valuable. It cause defence to panic and make mistakes. And, you don't have to be tall. An off-side trap gone wrong or a diving header from a pacing player will do.

Messiah wrote:he should have been hanging his head in shame after missing 3 clear cut chances over both legs, instead of amusing the ref.

At least he had 3 great chances. How many did the 'majestic' Eto'o have? 1?

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:





They're getting better

Booker fucking T, epic pic

Anyone hear Bosinwga's post match comments about the ref being bought etc etc. He could be trouble possibly as well.

S4P wrote:

Messiah wrote:he should have been hanging his head in shame after missing 3 clear cut chances over both legs, instead of amusing the ref.

At least he had 3 great chances. How many did the 'majestic' Eto'o have? 1?

I think both strikers are of similar quality allthough Eto might edge him since he scores more goals. However but you can't quite compare the amount of chances Eto managed to get to Drogbas. Eto was playing on the wing for alot of the time plus he had around 4-5 at any given time in the central area whereas Drogba was fighting it out with 2 Cbs at times. So of course Drogba is going to end up with more chances. In the end though Drogba failed Chelsea and he should have scored in Nou Camp and perhaps a goal aswell last night. Doesn't change the fact he is one of the best around.

What about the game at the Nou Camp, where Eto'o played in his favourite position and in a team that was massively on top?

S4P wrote:What about the game at the Nou Camp, where Eto'o played in his favourite position and in a team that was massively on top?

Of course he should have done more but it was almost even harder because Chelsea were more defensive. He should have scored on that chance he got though going one on one in the first leg. With Drogba it is always hard to judge because at one time he should have done more with his chances but at the same time Drogba creates chances by his mere presence. Like TS said Chelsea might not have gotten as many chances with Anelka on top instead.

Ade wrote:

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:





They're getting better

Booker fucking T, epic pic

Anyone hear Bosinwga's post match comments about the ref being bought etc etc. He could be trouble possibly as well.

Bosingwa retracted his comment earlier today. probably had the night to sleep.

Guus, Lampard & Terry have all rallied behind Drogba.

Read that Terry went to the Barcelona dressing room later and shook hands with everyone...maybe not as big a c**t as we all thought

Blog: Remembering Korea

Chelsea boss Guus Hiddink said last night’s referee was the worst he’d ever seen. But, asks Giancarlo Rinaldi, what about Byron Moreno?

The summer of 2002 is one I don't recall with any pleasure. I had to get time off work to get out of the office to watch the Azzurri clash with South Korea in the World Cup. I remember wishing I hadn't bothered.

And yet all the memories have come flooding back to me following Chelsea's elimination from the Champions League. The same finger-pointing at the referee, the same conspiracy theories, the same bitter recriminations. Except it has all been turned upside down.

Let us recall what Italy fans were told after they lost out in the Far East. "Get over it," was the main message. "You didn't take your chances - so don't blame the referee. You are just making excuses."

Well, Blues of Stamford Bridge, how about taking that advice?

How many times have I seen an Italian team which based its game on stout defence and great organisation go out to a late goal? We are usually told it serves us right. So why does the same not hold true for an English club side?

The conspiracy theory about UEFA not wanting an all-English Final is laughable. Magnificent as the match referee was, how could he have foreseen Iniesta's late, late thunderbolt? Without that, remember, Chelsea were heading to Rome. And how does the ludicrous red card for a Barca player fit into the theory anyway?

Of course, those of us long enough in the tooth to remember South Korea will recall who was sitting on the opposition bench that day. Yes, it was Mr Hiddink. So when he says the referee on Wednesday night was the worst he has ever seen it is hard not to think he might have a slightly selective memory.

Byron Moreno was streets ahead of Tommy Ovrebo in the controversial decision department. He managed to send a man off when he should have got a penalty. Now imagine if that had happened to Didier Drogba...

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I agree with this - it's rich that some of the posters on here cry about the decisions against Chelsea and talk of conspiracy theories yet when it's the other way round, they'd say stop whinging.

I'm sure none of the Chelsea players are angry with Barcelona players... their fury is 100% directed towards the officials.

kas wrote:Read that Terry went to the Barcelona dressing room later and shook hands with everyone...maybe not as big a c**t as we all thought

I've never understood why Terry is so loathed to be honest.

The media make him out to be some kind of heart-on-sleeve colossus which irks a lot of people,

but at the end of the day his crimes on the field amount to wanting to put all his energy and desire into winning.

He's made the front papers on occassions for being stupid, and is a bit of chav,

but he quite clearly loves playing for Chelsea and for England, gives his all for his team mates (you never hear Terry slagging off any of his fellow players after a game or shifting the blame), that's all you could possibly ask for in someone who plays for the side you support.

one trick you are far to reasoned and logical for this board.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Blog: Remembering Korea

Chelsea boss Guus Hiddink said last night’s referee was the worst he’d ever seen. But, asks Giancarlo Rinaldi, what about Byron Moreno?

The summer of 2002 is one I don't recall with any pleasure. I had to get time off work to get out of the office to watch the Azzurri clash with South Korea in the World Cup. I remember wishing I hadn't bothered.

And yet all the memories have come flooding back to me following Chelsea's elimination from the Champions League. The same finger-pointing at the referee, the same conspiracy theories, the same bitter recriminations. Except it has all been turned upside down.

Let us recall what Italy fans were told after they lost out in the Far East. "Get over it," was the main message. "You didn't take your chances - so don't blame the referee. You are just making excuses."

Well, Blues of Stamford Bridge, how about taking that advice?

How many times have I seen an Italian team which based its game on stout defence and great organisation go out to a late goal? We are usually told it serves us right. So why does the same not hold true for an English club side?

The conspiracy theory about UEFA not wanting an all-English Final is laughable. Magnificent as the match referee was, how could he have foreseen Iniesta's late, late thunderbolt? Without that, remember, Chelsea were heading to Rome. And how does the ludicrous red card for a Barca player fit into the theory anyway?

Of course, those of us long enough in the tooth to remember South Korea will recall who was sitting on the opposition bench that day. Yes, it was Mr Hiddink. So when he says the referee on Wednesday night was the worst he has ever seen it is hard not to think he might have a slightly selective memory.

Byron Moreno was streets ahead of Tommy Ovrebo in the controversial decision department. He managed to send a man off when he should have got a penalty. Now imagine if that had happened to Didier Drogba...

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I agree with this - it's rich that some of the posters on here cry about the decisions against Chelsea and talk of conspiracy theories yet when it's the other way round, they'd say stop whinging.

Of course thats the case - it's always different when the boot is on the other foot.

When England were knocked out of Euro2004 for a wrongly disallowed goal against Portugal, every single non-Englishman I spoke to, or read about in the papers, or posted online: told us to stop whingeing. Including Italians, who only 2 years beforehand were crying into their pasta and gino-ginelli ice creams about poor officialdom.

We're all bloody hypocrites, that's the point

The Tupac Twitch wrote:

kas wrote:Read that Terry went to the Barcelona dressing room later and shook hands with everyone...maybe not as big a c**t as we all thought

I've never understood why Terry is so loathed to be honest.

The media make him out to be some kind of heart-on-sleeve colossus which irks a lot of people,

but at the end of the day his crimes on the field amount to wanting to put all his energy and desire into winning.

He's made the front papers on occassions for being stupid, and is a bit of chav,

but he quite clearly loves playing for Chelsea and for England, gives his all for his team mates (you never hear Terry slagging off any of his fellow players after a game or shifting the blame), that's all you could possibly ask for in someone who plays for the side you support.

I don't like defenders of his style but I can't really say anything bad about him. I don't believ he has done some shady things off pitch. The only reason I have anything against him is the same reason I have something against Gerrard which is the hype they get. If none of us could hear the commentators or the pundits I think we would have very different opinions on many players.

My dislike for Theresa has softened after Moscow last year, I waited a long time for that moment of sweet "revenge", and once it happened I don't believe in kicking a foe when they're down - hence my target this season & for the foreseeable future, until he gets what will be a well-deserved comeuppance, has been Vidic

King is still better though

The Tupac Twitch wrote:

kas wrote:Read that Terry went to the Barcelona dressing room later and shook hands with everyone...maybe not as big a c**t as we all thought

I've never understood why Terry is so loathed to be honest.

The media make him out to be some kind of heart-on-sleeve colossus which irks a lot of people,

but at the end of the day his crimes on the field amount to wanting to put all his energy and desire into winning.

He's made the front papers on occassions for being stupid, and is a bit of chav,

but he quite clearly loves playing for Chelsea and for England, gives his all for his team mates (you never hear Terry slagging off any of his fellow players after a game or shifting the blame), that's all you could possibly ask for in someone who plays for the side you support.

what about the way he ALWAYS complains to the ref?

The Tupac Twitch wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:Blog: Remembering Korea

Chelsea boss Guus Hiddink said last night’s referee was the worst he’d ever seen. But, asks Giancarlo Rinaldi, what about Byron Moreno?

The summer of 2002 is one I don't recall with any pleasure. I had to get time off work to get out of the office to watch the Azzurri clash with South Korea in the World Cup. I remember wishing I hadn't bothered.

And yet all the memories have come flooding back to me following Chelsea's elimination from the Champions League. The same finger-pointing at the referee, the same conspiracy theories, the same bitter recriminations. Except it has all been turned upside down.

Let us recall what Italy fans were told after they lost out in the Far East. "Get over it," was the main message. "You didn't take your chances - so don't blame the referee. You are just making excuses."

Well, Blues of Stamford Bridge, how about taking that advice?

How many times have I seen an Italian team which based its game on stout defence and great organisation go out to a late goal? We are usually told it serves us right. So why does the same not hold true for an English club side?

The conspiracy theory about UEFA not wanting an all-English Final is laughable. Magnificent as the match referee was, how could he have foreseen Iniesta's late, late thunderbolt? Without that, remember, Chelsea were heading to Rome. And how does the ludicrous red card for a Barca player fit into the theory anyway?

Of course, those of us long enough in the tooth to remember South Korea will recall who was sitting on the opposition bench that day. Yes, it was Mr Hiddink. So when he says the referee on Wednesday night was the worst he has ever seen it is hard not to think he might have a slightly selective memory.

Byron Moreno was streets ahead of Tommy Ovrebo in the controversial decision department. He managed to send a man off when he should have got a penalty. Now imagine if that had happened to Didier Drogba...

___________________________________________________

I agree with this - it's rich that some of the posters on here cry about the decisions against Chelsea and talk of conspiracy theories yet when it's the other way round, they'd say stop whinging.

Of course thats the case - it's always different when the boot is on the other foot.

When England were knocked out of Euro2004 for a wrongly disallowed goal against Portugal, every single non-Englishman I spoke to, or read about in the papers, or posted online: told us to stop whingeing. Including Italians, who only 2 years beforehand were crying into their pasta and gino-ginelli ice creams about poor officialdom.

We're all bloody hypocrites, that's the point

I take your point. I guess it's more the media rather than the actual people of the country.

Lampard's Post Match Interview

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1126121770?bctid=22411401001

Like Essien, he was another I felt a bit sorry for. He played well last night, said before and I'll say it again.. his all round game(defensively and passing) has very much improved this season

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

The Tupac Twitch wrote:

kas wrote:Read that Terry went to the Barcelona dressing room later and shook hands with everyone...maybe not as big a c**t as we all thought

I've never understood why Terry is so loathed to be honest.

The media make him out to be some kind of heart-on-sleeve colossus which irks a lot of people,

but at the end of the day his crimes on the field amount to wanting to put all his energy and desire into winning.

He's made the front papers on occassions for being stupid, and is a bit of chav,

but he quite clearly loves playing for Chelsea and for England, gives his all for his team mates (you never hear Terry slagging off any of his fellow players after a game or shifting the blame), that's all you could possibly ask for in someone who plays for the side you support.

what about the way he ALWAYS complains to the ref?

That is true. As a Captain of your team you should set an example, so I do agree with you on this point.

Watching last night's post match entertainment with Drogba and Ballack pretty much attacking the ref, I did notice that Terry was doing the right thing and pulling them away from the ref, and then having a go himself.

Perhaps he's slowly learning?

Ade wrote:Lampard's Post Match Interview

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1126121770?bctid=22411401001

Like Essien, he was another I felt a bit sorry for. He played well last night, said before and I'll say it again.. his all round game(defensively and passing) has very much improved this season

And he walked off without getting involved in any shenanigans.

The Tupac Twitch wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

The Tupac Twitch wrote:

kas wrote:Read that Terry went to the Barcelona dressing room later and shook hands with everyone...maybe not as big a c**t as we all thought

I've never understood why Terry is so loathed to be honest.

The media make him out to be some kind of heart-on-sleeve colossus which irks a lot of people,

but at the end of the day his crimes on the field amount to wanting to put all his energy and desire into winning.

He's made the front papers on occassions for being stupid, and is a bit of chav,

but he quite clearly loves playing for Chelsea and for England, gives his all for his team mates (you never hear Terry slagging off any of his fellow players after a game or shifting the blame), that's all you could possibly ask for in someone who plays for the side you support.

what about the way he ALWAYS complains to the ref?

That is true. As a Captain of your team you should set an example, so I do agree with you on this point.

Watching last night's post match entertainment with Drogba and Ballack pretty much attacking the ref, I did notice that Terry was doing the right thing and pulling them away from the ref, and then having a go himself.

Perhaps he's slowly learning?

I don't know how it is in England or other countries but in Denmark the unwritten rule is that the captain talks with the ref only. Thought it was the same all over and I do think you should be allowed to complain as long as it doesn't go overboard. The only bad thing about Rooney is that he is disgraceful at this.

kas wrote:

Ade wrote:Lampard's Post Match Interview

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1126121770?bctid=22411401001

Like Essien, he was another I felt a bit sorry for. He played well last night, said before and I'll say it again.. his all round game(defensively and passing) has very much improved this season

And he walked off without getting involved in any shenanigans.

It's always the foreigners who take it too far and Joey Barton

kas wrote:

Ade wrote:Lampard's Post Match Interview

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1126121770?bctid=22411401001

Like Essien, he was another I felt a bit sorry for. He played well last night, said before and I'll say it again.. his all round game(defensively and passing) has very much improved this season

And he walked off without getting involved in any shenanigans.

You sure

Oh, so I don't have to feel bad for him after all

Dragões azuis e brancos wrote:I'm sure none of the Chelsea players are angry with Barcelona players... their fury is 100% directed towards the officials.

Like I said Barca will take what they're given. For once we didn't see much diving (from either side). The fury is aimed at the ref and his assistants.

Luis wrote:

kas wrote:

Ade wrote:Lampard's Post Match Interview

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1126121770?bctid=22411401001

Like Essien, he was another I felt a bit sorry for. He played well last night, said before and I'll say it again.. his all round game(defensively and passing) has very much improved this season

And he walked off without getting involved in any shenanigans.

It's always the foreigners who take it too far and Joey Barton

Well not like England teams are filled with english players.