Jaime wrote:I'll nominate Villarreal from Spain.
Good choices and Protheus posted a list of players from this years team which showed how good scouting they have done.Pierre Littbarski wrote:Porto
Udinese
Would love to see what they've spent and sold on transfers over the last decade.
He is allowed to be as long as he runs his sporting and business side so well. I think it is great that he is willing to be such dumbass at times. I think it is also some needed self promotion since Sevilla pale when it comes to media spotlight compared to the big 2.Jaime wrote:Sevilla have done well enough but Del Nido is a bit a twit.
I do think they depend Monchi, their sports director, who has done a superb job for them. If Tottenham had brought both of these guys in things would have ended quite different me thinks.ginola999 wrote:Financially it's Tottenham by a mile. No other club are even close to being as financially efficient. They always have big money to spend and it's not from a sugar daddy, but generated through the plc. Their turnover is always amongst the highest in Europe, despite never being in the CL and their wage/turnonver ratio is easily the best in the Prem. No other club in Europe can consistently generate so much transfer budget without CL football or a sugar daddy.
On the football side Sevilla seem to do consistently well no matter who they sell or who the coach is. They don't seem to spend much, lose their managers and sell their best players, yet they've finished in the top 6 for 6 years in a row. Monchi and Del Nido have done a tremendous job there. They seem to have a superb structure in place and isn't dependant on key star players or a super coach. That is the sign of a great set up.
Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
You can have significant debt and still be well run Pot.
Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
You can have significant debt and still be well run Pot.
This is about the BEST run clubs Paddy, yes? Surely the best run clubs are those that manage to spend within their means all the time.
COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
You can have significant debt and still be well run Pot.
This is about the BEST run clubs Paddy, yes? Surely the best run clubs are those that manage to spend within their means all the time.
There are none of these clubs challenging for the major honours. Prudence is not the sign of a well run club.
From a footballing perspective the aim of any club's owners should be to produce the best possible football team, not to produce records profits. There is nothing wrong with debt providing it is covered by future income which is what most of these loans are.
Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
You can have significant debt and still be well run Pot.
This is about the BEST run clubs Paddy, yes? Surely the best run clubs are those that manage to spend within their means all the time.
There are none of these clubs challenging for the major honours. Prudence is not the sign of a well run club.
From a footballing perspective the aim of any club's owners should be to produce the best possible football team, not to produce records profits. There is nothing wrong with debt providing it is covered by future income which is what most of these loans are.
What's the point in producing the best possible team if you're going to implode in 10 years time? Anyway my point still stands, no premiership clubs fit the criteria.
Sevilla are well run and they challenged for the title 2 seasons ago and have a good record. However I agree with what you are saying and debt is not a proble when it is really an investment.COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
You can have significant debt and still be well run Pot.
This is about the BEST run clubs Paddy, yes? Surely the best run clubs are those that manage to spend within their means all the time.
There are none of these clubs challenging for the major honours. Prudence is not the sign of a well run club.
From a footballing perspective the aim of any club's owners should be to produce the best possible football team, not to produce records profits. There is nothing wrong with debt providing it is covered by future income which is what most of these loans are.
COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
You can have significant debt and still be well run Pot.
This is about the BEST run clubs Paddy, yes? Surely the best run clubs are those that manage to spend within their means all the time.
There are none of these clubs challenging for the major honours. Prudence is not the sign of a well run club.
From a footballing perspective the aim of any club's owners should be to produce the best possible football team, not to produce records profits. There is nothing wrong with debt providing it is covered by future income which is what most of these loans are.
What's the point in producing the best possible team if you're going to implode in 10 years time? Anyway my point still stands, no premiership clubs fit the criteria.
Why are you going to implode in 10 years time
The only big spending teams that have imploded are Leeds and Newcastle and both were very, very poorly run
I would say Man United are comfortably one of the best run clubs in Europe. Arsenal are also very well run.
You shouldn't be put off by loans Kimmy. Look at the money Arsenal are making from their new stadium. It looks like they are deep in debt from the outside, but as long as the repayment terms have been well negotiated then they are far better off by taking this loan, improving the club and then repaying it gradually. Debt is not the big scary word you think it is Pot
mmh did you work for Merrill Lynch?COTR wrote:Debt is not the big scary word you think it is Pot
Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
Sgoater1 wrote:Kimbo wrote:Every premiership club is in significant debt, so none of them count.
We're not !
toon h wrote:not sure why people aren't mentioning Barcelona.
owned by 160,000 socios
we've made a profit during the Laporta years (apparently) of about 100M.
we probably have the finest youth scouting and academy in the world, judging from our cantera.
we play with a (generally seen to be) attractive style
we don't prostitute our shirt but instead pay Unicef as a matter of social conscience
no extremist fans allowed in the stadium
and last but not least, one of the most, if not most, successful club team this century.
Fair enough, some clubs may exercise more financial prudence, but if they don't win anything, what has it gotten them?
lampiao007 wrote:All Portuguese clubs have massive debts. Between Porto,Sporting,Benfica there is a debt of E400 million of debt
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