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    United do get more extra time when they need it

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    Post by TheCrazy58 Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:16 am

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/22/manchester-united-goals-stoppage-time

    Revealed: Manchester United get more injury time when they need it• Guardian study shows added time to turn round home games
    • Owen won derby after an extra five minutes and 26 seconds

    Daniel Taylor The Guardian, Tuesday 22 September 2009

    Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches.

    After the controversy over Michael Owen's winning goal in Sunday's Manchester derby, the Guardian has looked at all of United's league matches at Old Trafford since the start of the 2006-07 season and discovered that, on average, there has been over a minute extra added by referees when United do not have the lead after 90 minutes, compared to when they are in front. In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec.
    The average stoppage time added at Old Trafford in the period in question is below that given at Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Stamford Bridge. United's is 205 seconds, compared to Liverpool's 210sec, Arsenal's 224sec and Chelsea's 229sec. But there is also evidence to support the suspicions of many managers, players and supporters that United get preferential treatment at home. When Owen made it 4-3 on Sunday the game was five minutes and 26 seconds into stoppage time. In total, the referee, Martin Atkinson, allowed almost seven minutes, even though the fourth official had signalled a minimum of four. Mark Hughes, the City manager, spoke of feeling "robbed". His sense of grievance will not be helped if he analyses the last three seasons.

    In 2006-07, for example, United were winning 15 times on entering stoppage time and referees added an average 194.53sec. In the four games when United were not winning there was an average of 217.25sec. The following year the disparity was greater, Opta's figures showing an average 178.29sec added when United were winning and 254.5sec when they were not. Last season it was 187.71sec compared to 258.6sec.

    The pattern has continued in the first three games of the season. In the two games United have led they have played an average 304sec of injury time. On Sunday, Atkinson allowed the game to go on for 415sec

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    Post by fcb Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:39 am

    I don't think the stat can be taken too seriously tbh...12 vs. 48 is quite a big disparity in sample size (though of course the gap might be smaller considering many of those 48 may be due to dubious penalties and/or other decisions during the match Whistle ).

    It would also be interesting to look at the 12 matches individually and see whether there were injuries or other incidents which justified extended injury time.

    And why have they only looked at the period starting from 2006-2007? Considering Man. Utd. have dominated for the past decade and a half, surely any examination of a possible conspiracy should take the whole period into account?
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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:08 am

    Statistical manipulation cheers


    No comparison with other top four clubs (other than pointing out that Man U, on average, get less stoppage time than the others).

    No consideration of whether the additional time was justified, or added by referees for United's benefit.

    No doubt this is the sort of thing the conspiracy theorists will lap up and use as conclusive proof for their god.

    And I'm sure there's already a thread on this topic.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:40 am

    ok

    I will reserve judgement until goal.com release their findings

    There is no comparison with other top four clubs (other than the comparison with other top four clubs)

    If they're going to print a story like this, completely out of the blue, why haven't they analysed every game ever?

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    Post by Aristoskank Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:48 am

    Mutual Glennsturbation wrote:If they're going to print a story like this, completely out of the blue, why haven't they analysed every game ever?

    You 'tard.
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    Post by Chris 23* Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:57 pm

    The will be a minimum of 45minutes, thats 45 minutes added time
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    Post by L r dd Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:14 pm

    Teams waste time when looking like getting something, but don't when they don't.... what a pointless article.

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