Brazil - England______14th November

confirmed, in Qatar.

If you get a whooping on neutral ground, will you stop being an arrogant twat?

L r dd wrote:If you get a whooping on neutral ground, will you stop being an arrogant twat?

An England victory wouldn't surprise me (in a friendly), though Brazil are favourites. You are playing very well. However, any Euro team winning a WC in Africa would indeed surprise me. England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

That said, I remind you I made a bet with Kimbo. If any Euro team wins the next WC I'm out of here for good. If it happens, then you may say to yourself: that brazilian arrogant c**t thought he knew his football, but he knows fuck all. And, in this case, I'll have to agree with you.

mongrel hawk wrote:England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

England winning the WC at all would destroy mine.

I'm looking to see how Capello's team gets the ball out to his 4 attacking outlets from midfield or defense. If it is fast and controlled England will not need to be overly concerned with teams that have a strong ball playing middle.

a bit of history

22 games up to now.

Brazil won 10, England won 3.

Brazil scored 30 goals, England scored 19.

Official games:

1958 wc
brazil 0 - 0 england

1962 wc
brazil 3 - 1 england

1964 taça das nações (nations cup, played in brazil, similar to the tournoi the france in 1997, with brazil, england, argentina and portugal)
brazil 5 - 1 england

1970 wc
brazil 1 - 0 england

1976 the bicentennial cup tournament (USA), with brazil, england, italy and usa
brazil 1 - 0 england

1987 the rous cup, in england
brazil 1 - 1 england

1995 umbro cup, in england
brazil 3 - 1 england

1997 tournoi de france
brazil 1 - 0 england

2002 wc
brazil 2 - 1 england


official games stats:

Brazil won 7 out of 9 games. England won zero.



England won 3 friendlies in 1956, 1984 and 1990.

It's going to be like how it was against Argentina a couple pre 2002.

mongrel hawk wrote:
England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

I have enjoyed watching Brazil over the years specially the 1970 WC in Mexico. If you new anything about football your know any result is possible that means it is impossible to draw conclusions about England or european teams playing in South Africa.

Brian2468 wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

I have enjoyed watching Brazil over the years specially the 1970 WC in Mexico. If you new anything about football your know any result is possible that means it is impossible to draw conclusions about England or european teams playing in South Africa.

Brian, I have already drawn my conclusions about England and other European teams in South Africa. Therefore, It's not impossible to draw conclusions about it.

On my part, I have enjoyed a lot of English things since I was a kid (the list is huge), but football is certainly NOT one of them.

That is the biggest kind of losser.

Like the child up the park who brings a ball to play and his side is losing 5-0 and decides to go home with the ball because nothing always goes his way.....

The game is never over it is continually evolving into something else it has not been before. Change is part and parcel of the English game with that comes different a outcome In England's case better footy......

mongrel hawk wrote:
An England victory wouldn't surprise me (in a friendly), though Brazil are favourites. You are playing very well. However, any Euro team winning a WC in Africa would indeed surprise me. England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

That said, I remind you I made a bet with Kimbo. If any Euro team wins the next WC I'm out of here for good. If it happens, then you may say to yourself: that brazilian arrogant c**t thought he knew his football, but he knows fuck all. And, in this case, I'll have to agree with you.

Admittedly they're a long long shot to winning the WC simply because a team full of overrated talentless hoofers will find it difficult to go beyond quarterfinals, anything is possible with the genius of Capello.

If anyone can win a tournament scrapping 1-0 wins and hanging on to the goalposts, parking the bus, boring the fuck out of the whole world, it is Capello with the team he's guiding now.

Your bet is a very bold bet indeed simply because we start with almost ONE THIRD of the teams they get to participate in WCs. EVEN with that HUGE handicap stacked against us, our region holds its own in the trophies department...one third of us is as good as an entire fleet of them?

Moreover, keep an eye on where the WC is held, former English colony (could be a double edge sword though, but me thinks the ones in power will do EVERYTHING to accomodate the English team, not the locals, the majority of course, but the ones who run the country certainly will accomodate Capello's team), the climate will help Capello to scrap 1-0 wins tremendously as they will have more gas in the tank to hang on past the 60th minute. In short, it'd be a little more difficult to pass the talentless hoofers to death.

Another thing to consider is the refs-remember how the European c**t ref made sure Ecuador lost to England the last WC by giving Becks all kinds of free kicks? Ecuador were the superior team but the c**t ref invented a foul and gave England a goal, the winning goal from a non-foul free kick! Capello's team will most definitely get helping hands along the way.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Paraguay and Chile (they can beat ANYONE on their day) do not have the experience of quarterfinals...that experience goes a long ways. We (at full strength and with harmony in the team) would do a much better job than Paraguay and Chile in a possible elite eight scenario due to the fact that we got our feet wet in the last eight (TWO TIMES ALREADY) at WCs. Paraguay and Chile may still do it, but that experience they lack...

Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana may do well, and South Africa will be given a nice push by the refs too similar to them South Koreans in 2002. If Côte d'Ivoire or Ghana were to face Capello's team in KO stages, they will be fucked over BIG TIME much the same way Cameroon were royally fucked in their ass (WITH NO BUTTER) by the refs in WC 1990 giving England the win. Remember that game? Cameroon were running circles around them all game until the refs decided to say enough is enough.

Keep in mind all of these factors, Todo. Your bet is a very bold one indeed, and yet Brasil 'should' win it again...IF the 'accomodation' is contained and doesn't get out of hand like in 1966.

himmmmm Inca brain surgery

Enough said about your last post.

Stimulus Package wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

England winning the WC at all would destroy mine.

If England ever win the WC, I'm going to emigrate.

@puro

Not only they play with many more teams, but also the great majority of WCs were held in Europe.

Now I'll tell you something:

My ex works for a big American advertisement company in Brazil which is involved in the WC (I won't tell the name of the compny for obvious reasons). An American big shot from the company who was in Brazil the other day told her: "The next WC is England's". "Why?", she asked him. "Because they haven't won for a long time, and now is the time they won again", he said.

I don't believe this. I don't know the guy and I don't believe him. What do you think? Do you think we could have another charade like in 1966? Something similar to what was done to help S Korea in 2002?

But I disagree with you: my bet is pretty safe. South America will win the WC next year and again in 2014.

Murray wrote:

Stimulus Package wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

England winning the WC at all would destroy mine.

If England ever win the WC, I'm going to emigrate.

Where to...

mongrel hawk wrote: If any Euro team wins the next WC I'm out of here for good

I'm not sure I see the point in this bet. Surely a better punishment would be to stick around and be told just how wrong you were.

Anyway you are a bit mad making it in the first place. You are basically saying that Brazil will definitely win while Kimbo has Italy, Germany, England, Spain and France in with a shot.

COTR #6 wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote: If any Euro team wins the next WC I'm out of here for good

I'm not sure I see the point in this bet. Surely a better punishment would be to stick around and be told just how wrong you were.

Anyway you are a bit mad making it in the first place. You are basically saying that Brazil will definitely win while Kimbo has Italy, Germany, England, Spain and France in with a shot.

no, I' saying Brazil or Argentina. Kimbo is saying Italy or Germany, even if he doesn't know it.

mongrel hawk wrote:

no, I' saying Brazil or Argentina. Kimbo is saying Italy or Germany, even if he doesn't know it.

Well you would need a pretty dramatic change in circumstances to enable Argentina to become candidates. Is Maradona going to get the chop ?

Spain are the best team in europe by a country mile. I see no reason for thinking their past failures will be relevant next year considering some of their players have won everything they have looked at for the past few years.

mongrel hawk wrote:@puro

Not only they play with many more teams, but also the great majority of WCs were held in Europe.

Now I'll tell you something:

My ex works for a big American advertisement company in Brazil which is involved in the WC (I won't tell the name of the compny for obvious reasons). An American big shot from the company who was in Brazil the other day told her: "The next WC is England's". "Why?", she asked him. "Because they haven't won for a long time, and now is the time they won again", he said.

I don't believe this. I don't know the guy and I don't believe him. What do you think? Do you think we could have another charade like in 1966? Something similar to what was done to help S Korea in 2002?

But I disagree with you: my bet is pretty safe. South America will win the WC next year and again in 2014.

The powers that be will do EVERYTHING they can (as they always do) to make sure a team from Europe wins in South Africa. Look, you pretty much have WC 2014 in the bag. All them European teams 'should' get pretty much pulverized in Brasil 2014. Thus WC 2010 WILL be "Any European but Brasil" kind of tournament. Which is why I HOPE Argentina makes it out of our tough qualifiers since they have tons of WC experience. Colombia, Ecuador, and Uruguay are sending ca$h to Perú to eliminate them Argies from the WC AGAIN!

The shameless rigging that happened in WC 1966 will not happen again in WC 2010 because EVERYONE is watching now. However, they WILL do their best to help Capello's England via all the avenues we all know.

Have no fear of the English. I know they've done a lot of influencing through their Reuters media bullshite in Brasil. They try to do the same in Perú too, but we know better.

Do your players know Lampard, Rooney, Beckham etc. etc are nothing but overrated, overhyped, overpaid shite footballers? I'm more concerned about Capello's tactics...the man is a genius, his football is ugly as fuck but he gets them results. He can only go so far though with this bunch of talentless hoofers. Blatter and FIFA WILL give them a huge push though.

mongrel hawk wrote:
no, I' saying Brazil or Argentina. Kimbo is saying Italy or Germany, even if he doesn't know it.

Todo, England have a better chance of 'rigging' next years WC than those two teams. It's about politics, and England have a better chance through chicanery (well documented I must add) than Italia and Germany through their better football. True fucking story!

It'll be over 50 years since England last got the world cup that may be a reason. I don't think the inventors of the game should go longer than 30 years without hosting it especially with the stadiums we have. and more so when other countries host it more than once in between England getting it again.

Puro wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:
no, I' saying Brazil or Argentina. Kimbo is saying Italy or Germany, even if he doesn't know it.

Todo, England have a better chance of 'rigging' next years WC than those two teams. It's about politics, and England have a better chance through chicanery (well documented I must add) than Italia and Germany through their better football. True fucking story!

Well documented

Lets have some of this documentation Puro

Puro,


Brazil have got far more 'luck with officials' than England ever have. The South Americans don't really get fucked over that much, it's the African sides FIFA really seems to hate. The Asians (2/3 of the world population) barely even get noticed.

Stimulus Package wrote:Puro,


Brazil have got far more 'luck with officials' than England ever have. The South Americans don't really get fucked over that much, it's the African sides FIFA really seems to hate. The Asians (2/3 of the world population) barely even get noticed.

Yes, I agree with your statement that Brasil have enjoyed some friendly officiating from time to time. Hey man, have you heard that the whole shite will implode in less than two weeks? What's that all about? I hear commercial real estate will collapse and thus the whole enchilada will crumble to pieces, the dollar is worthless, we are all bankrupt and on and on. Marc Faber just said that the US government is covering up the real calamity that's about to explode.

I'm firmly sat on the fence on that one. I strongly doubt that the Fed will collapse in the next couple of weeks but on the other hand it is long overdue.

Stimulus Package wrote:I'm firmly sat on the fence on that one. I strongly doubt that the Fed will collapse in the next couple of weeks but on the other hand it is long overdue.

Looks like Bernanke is gonna make some statements shortly about 'our future'. The c**t!

Puro wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:@puro

Not only they play with many more teams, but also the great majority of WCs were held in Europe.

Now I'll tell you something:

My ex works for a big American advertisement company in Brazil which is involved in the WC (I won't tell the name of the compny for obvious reasons). An American big shot from the company who was in Brazil the other day told her: "The next WC is England's". "Why?", she asked him. "Because they haven't won for a long time, and now is the time they won again", he said.

I don't believe this. I don't know the guy and I don't believe him. What do you think? Do you think we could have another charade like in 1966? Something similar to what was done to help S Korea in 2002?

But I disagree with you: my bet is pretty safe. South America will win the WC next year and again in 2014.

The powers that be will do EVERYTHING they can (as they always do) to make sure a team from Europe wins in South Africa. Look, you pretty much have WC 2014 in the bag. All them European teams 'should' get pretty much pulverized in Brasil 2014. Thus WC 2010 WILL be "Any European but Brasil" kind of tournament. Which is why I HOPE Argentina makes it out of our tough qualifiers since they have tons of WC experience. Colombia, Ecuador, and Uruguay are sending ca$h to Perú to eliminate them Argies from the WC AGAIN!

The shameless rigging that happened in WC 1966 will not happen again in WC 2010 because EVERYONE is watching now. However, they WILL do their best to help Capello's England via all the avenues we all know.

Have no fear of the English. I know they've done a lot of influencing through their Reuters media bullshite in Brasil. They try to do the same in Perú too, but we know better.

Do your players know Lampard, Rooney, Beckham etc. etc are nothing but overrated, overhyped, overpaid shite footballers? I'm more concerned about Capello's tactics...the man is a genius, his football is ugly as fuck but he gets them results. He can only go so far though with this bunch of talentless hoofers. Blatter and FIFA WILL give them a huge push though.

Evidence Puro? Not inuendo. I want the smoking gun. It is plainly there in Italy 1934. Do you have anything resembling the proven corruption that went on in 1934. If not, stop stating this as fact; without evidence it is just your opinion.

Stimulus Package wrote:I'm firmly sat on the fence on that one. I strongly doubt that the Fed will collapse in the next couple of weeks but on the other hand it is long overdue.

I have to admit I am enjoying seeing Puro trying to align himself to some of the areas you are interested in Saints while watching you try to save some credibility by distancing yourself from Puro's over exaggerated nonsense

Brian2468 wrote:

Murray wrote:

Stimulus Package wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:England winning the WC in Africa would destroy all my beliefs about football.

England winning the WC at all would destroy mine.

If England ever win the WC, I'm going to emigrate.

Where to...

America or Canada, to escape the media hype. It's like football doesn't exist over there.

COTR #6 wrote:

Stimulus Package wrote:I'm firmly sat on the fence on that one. I strongly doubt that the Fed will collapse in the next couple of weeks but on the other hand it is long overdue.

I have to admit I am enjoying seeing Puro trying to align himself to some of the areas you are interested in Saints while watching you try to save some credibility by distancing yourself from Puro's over exaggerated nonsense

Good. I'm glad you get pleasure from something in your life.