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    Fergie put in his place !

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    Post by Sgoater1 Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:52 pm

    Alan Wiley, the official accused by Sir Alex Ferguson of not being fit enough to referee, ran farther than all but four Manchester United players during the 94 minutes of the game against Sunderland.

    The FA has written to Ferguson asking him to explain his comments about Wiley by next Tuesday. The United manager could yet be charged with improper conduct.

    Before he composes his reply, the Scot may want to consider that Wiley, The Times has learnt, outdistanced the average player in the 2-2 draw on Saturday by 205.8 metres. Refereeing officials believe that Wiley’s official ProZone statistics from the match at Old Trafford “100 per cent” disprove Ferguson’s claims that the Staffordshire referee “just wasn’t fit enough”.

    Wiley covered 11,039.1 metres, the eighth farthest of any individual on the pitch. “Eighth is entirely credible,” a refereeing source said yesterday. “He had a bloody good game.”

    ProZone shows that only four United players and three from Sunderland ran farther than Wiley, 49. His average distance from the ball was 17.7 metres. Elite referees in England are allowed an average of up to 20 metres.

    Concern is growing among the close-knit refereeing fraternity about the long-term effects of constant criticism from managers, especially Ferguson. Several leading referees, including Graham Poll and Mike Riley, have retired in recent years in part because of the persistent sniping.

    “They’re getting sick of it,” a senior refereeing source said last night. “Ferguson is the past master. It deflects any criticism from his team and players and he succeeds every time. Why doesn’t he just talk to the match delegate?”

    The Times has also discovered that Wiley’s fitness was assessed more recently than most of his colleagues in the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) select group of referees. The officials take a challenging test of their fitness twice a year and if they fail either they are not permitted to referee.

    Wiley was on holiday in July and was not tested until August. Since he passed, his level of fitness is, in theory, less questionable than those of younger referees, despite the fact that he is the oldest of the group.

    Wiley had been “very upset” at first, according to Dermot Gallagher, the former referee who was his mentor when he joined the select group in 1999. “He is the most competitive guy that I have ever met in my life,” Gallagher said. “I used to think that I was one of the fittest Premier League referees and if he thought I could run a yard more than him in training it would break his heart.

    “He really is the consummate professional. Of all the referees that someone could lay this criticism at, it really is the wrong one. It is a massive sting to your pride, especially for someone who really does pride himself on looking after himself.

    “I thought he had a fantastic game, I really did. I really do think it was a comment that can’t be substantiated.”

    Expert evidence confirms the referees’ opinion. “Ferguson is creating a doubt in people’s minds over the fitness of Alan Wiley where none probably existed,” Dr Martin Roderick, a member of the sport, health and policy research group at the University of Durham and a former Kettering Town midfield player, said.

    “One of the only givens we have about the body is that it does deteriorate with time; there is a well-understood age at which referees know their time is running out. But I don’t think there was anything in what Ferguson was saying.

    “The game ebbs and flows and everybody on the pitch will be more or less exhausted at various times. Alan Wiley, like an older player such as Teddy Sheringham, will have learnt to play the game his way, to understand the patterns of the game — where they can take a breather and when he really needs to keep up. A younger, less experienced referee will tend to run more.”

    Roderick’s view is supported by a study undertaken in 2008 by PGMOL and sport scientists in Italy and Switzerland, using data on the performance of 22 referees aged between 31 and 48 in 778 Premier League matches over four seasons.

    The findings suggested that older referees were able to use experience to cover for the loss of a yard or so of pace. Despite covering less ground and performing fewer sprints, referees in the 43-48 age group were able to maintain an average distance from fouls that was comparable to that recorded by the youngest referees.

    Wiley has to pass the same strenuous pre and mid-season tests as Stuart Attwell, 26, the youngest of the elite referees. Stamina is tested by a 3,000-metre run that must be completed in less than 12 minutes.

    Capacity for coping with change of pace is assessed by a test in which referees alternately run 150 metres and walk 50 metres, repeating the sequence 20 times. The 150-metre runs must be completed in 30 seconds, with 35 seconds allowed for the 50-metre walk.

    Six 40-metre sprints must be completed in less than 6.20sec each — assistant referees have only 6.00, with only a minute’s rest between sprints. Referees can repeat one sprint if they fail to complete it within the time, but only one.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6862416.ece

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    Interesting reading !
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:00 pm

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    Post by Puro Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:53 pm

    IF Wiley were to sue Slur Alex he'd win. Defamation of character, Slander, Libel, he's got a good case. Slur Alex has gone on record publicly with a character assassination on Wiley.

    Of course nothing will happen. It's all a big stage and Wiley knows it. It's all a grand scheme to fool everyone "see! the refs are not behind Slur Alex".
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:00 pm

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    Post by Sgoater1 Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:08 am

    Fergie put in his place ! Dfa64w
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    Post by L r dd Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:32 am

    I don't get it. The referee TOLD Rooney he needed a rest as he was walking back for the second goal. So Ferguson was right. He allowed 3 seconds more despite 30 seconds of wasted time and a goal where he cost 5 himself by being to slow to get back.

    How can he sue anyone Biggrin Ale
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    Post by Pras_tama Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:14 am

    Sgoater1 wrote:Fergie put in his place ! Dfa64w


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    Post by EMP Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:19 am

    Puro wrote:IF Wiley were to sue Slur Alex he'd win. Defamation of character, Slander, Libel, he's got a good case. Slur Alex has gone on record publicly with a character assassination on Wiley.

    Of course nothing will happen. It's all a big stage and Wiley knows it. It's all a grand scheme to fool everyone "see! the refs are not behind Slur Alex".

    Slander is spoken, libel written, so Wiley's case if he brought it would be for slander, not libel.
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    Post by Romford Pele Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:32 am

    Sgoater1 wrote:Fergie put in his place ! Dfa64w

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    Post by UK_Andy Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:25 pm

    Nothing will happen to Fergie, he's slagged enough people off before with no comeback, this will be more of the same.
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    Post by L r dd Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:35 pm

    There's no point in every ref coming out and defending the fat Wiley. These same refs said the one the week before was right to add on the time he did. Then Wiley does not add on time, and they choose to ignore it and call him an ultimate professional because he's beat them in a few bleep tests. He told Rooney he was tired and needed a rest, why does opta statistics mean anything? Laughing
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    Post by Sgoater1 Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:59 am

    Fergie put in his place ! 3951040075_1f42436b6d_o

    This is the reason behind Fergie's comments !
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    Post by Pras_tama Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:22 am

    Sgoater1 wrote:Fergie put in his place ! 3951040075_1f42436b6d_o

    This is the reason behind Fergie's comments !

    Class!! I didn't realize it was SAF
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    Post by Sgoater1 Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:32 pm

    Fergie put in his place ! 3996536520_53b853a379_o lol!
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    Post by Axeslammer Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:50 pm

    Sgoater1 wrote:Fergie put in his place ! Dfa64w

    lol!
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    Post by Pras_tama Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:26 am

    Sgoater1 wrote:Fergie put in his place ! 3996536520_53b853a379_o lol!

    Jobs no 3? I wonder what's the number 1st and 2nd
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    Post by A & K Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:13 am

    Fergie put in his place ! Sir-alex-old Fergie put in his place ! File_88_78
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    Post by EMP Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:23 pm

    He has apologised, although it really doesn't go far enough. Any punishment will be trivial, if he gets anything at all.
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    Post by L r dd Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:31 pm

    Has Wiley apologised for not adding on enough time?
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    Post by EMP Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:51 pm

    Is Ferguson's apology enough or not?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iX2qI47AfS49N_7Ptz4JHzExuLLg

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/10/sir-alex-ferguson-apologies-alan-wiley

    How could he expect it not to be taken personally when he singled Wiley out over his alleged lack of fitness, even though Wiley out-ran several players?


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    Post by Aristoskank Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:52 pm

    Given that they rarely if ever force other managers to apologise I would suggest this is enough.
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    Post by COTR Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:07 pm

    EMP wrote:Is Ferguson's apology enough or not?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iX2qI47AfS49N_7Ptz4JHzExuLLg

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/10/sir-alex-ferguson-apologies-alan-wiley

    How could he expect it not to be taken personally when he singled Wiley out over his alleged lack of fitness, even though Wiley out-ran several players?

    lol!

    He clearly doesn't mean a single word of it

    Anyway this one has run its course. Onwards to his next outburst
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:14 pm

    Very Happy

    it's like Larry David's apology

    This is me "apologising"

    It's about as sorry as I can get

    The question is: Is it good enough?
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    Post by L r dd Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:16 pm

    EMP wrote:Is Ferguson's apology enough or not?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iX2qI47AfS49N_7Ptz4JHzExuLLg

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/10/sir-alex-ferguson-apologies-alan-wiley

    How could he expect it not to be taken personally when he singled Wiley out over his alleged lack of fitness, even though Wiley out-ran several players?

    So what? he covered more distance, was he sprinting like them? probably not. A ref naturally has to be everywhere but the point was he was tired at the end and wanted a break probably why he blew up to early. So im surprised he apologised. But i hope Wiley will now also apologise if he's big enough to do that. Wont be enough for me though could have cost us 2 points.
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    Post by COTR Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:24 pm

    L r dd wrote:
    EMP wrote:Is Ferguson's apology enough or not?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iX2qI47AfS49N_7Ptz4JHzExuLLg

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/oct/10/sir-alex-ferguson-apologies-alan-wiley

    How could he expect it not to be taken personally when he singled Wiley out over his alleged lack of fitness, even though Wiley out-ran several players?

    So what? he covered more distance, was he sprinting like them? probably not. A ref naturally has to be everywhere but the point was he was tired at the end and wanted a break probably why he blew up to early. So im surprised he apologised. But i hope Wiley will now also apologise if he's big enough to do that. Wont be enough for me though could have cost us 2 points.

    I don't understand the blew up early point Lrd scratch

    He blew up two seconds after the allotted injury time. The new rule that was created to 'explain' the Man City farce was just a smokecreen to what really happened. You know this, fergie knows this, he just wanted a good moan after all the accusations from the city game and the shocking performance against Sunderland to deflect an Evra/Lampard special back into the press
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    Post by L r dd Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:42 pm

    They wasted a good 35 secs. there was a goal as well for which Riley himself cost 5 secs being to slow. By the rules of 2 weeks ago that's a minute at the very least but we got 2 seconds. While we were in a crossing position outside their penalty area. So all in all very bad refereeing.
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    Post by COTR Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:51 pm

    L r dd wrote:They wasted a good 35 secs. there was a goal as well for which Riley himself cost 5 secs being to slow. By the rules of 2 weeks ago that's a minute at the very least but we got 2 seconds. While we were in a crossing position outside their penalty area. So all in all very bad refereeing.

    I agree. It was poor refereeing by the newly created Man U FC rules. Fergie only got the benefit of the new rules in one game so far this season which is why he is not happy
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    Post by Sgoater1 Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:01 pm

    "My only intention in speaking publicly, was to highlight what I believe to be a serious and important issue in the game, namely that the fitness levels of referees must match the ever increasing demands of the modern game, which I hope will now be properly addressed through the appropriate formal channels."

    Well if thats the case then he better address the fittness of the 7 u*d players Wiley out ran.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:22 pm

    The head of the referees' union Alan Leighton wants Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson banned for claiming match official Alan Wiley was not fit enough.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8302792.stm

    international week Crazy

    this will all be forgotten by Monday
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    Post by UK_Andy Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:16 pm

    I've got a suggestion.


    Lets let Rangers and Celtic into the premiership.....and swap them with Utd.


    That way the Old firm get what they want, and so does Fergie - imagine how happy he will be when they win every week!

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