Im not a massive Mancini fan and wanted Jose or Hiddink but will give him my full backingand see how he does.
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Hughes sacked - Mancini to replace him
Sgoater1- Number of posts : 11129
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Well im a bit gutted to be honest, i think it was very harsh on Hughes, i think over time the team would gell and the defence would start working. We are 6 points off 4th with a game in hand and in a semi final of a cup, we've only lost 2 in 20 games this season so its very harsh and he should have stayed till the end of the seaosn.
Im not a massive Mancini fan and wanted Jose or Hiddink but will give him my full backingand see how he does.
Im not a massive Mancini fan and wanted Jose or Hiddink but will give him my full backingand see how he does.
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Sgoater1 wrote:Well im a bit gutted to be honest, i think it was very harsh on Hughes, i think over time the team would gell and the defence would start working. We are 6 points off 4th with a game in hand and in a semi final of a cup, we've only lost 2 in 20 games this season so its very harsh and he should have stayed till the end of the seaosn.
Im not a massive Mancini fan and wanted Jose or Hiddink but will give him my full backingand see how he does.
You could turn that loss stat around by saying you have only won 7 league games out of 17 Goat.
Hughes was never going to cut it so they did the best thing for the club by moving him on. They wanted the right man in place to spend the next chunk of millions rather than the ridiculous waste spent on someone like Lescott. City are trying to not be a small time club anymore so you being happy with most of these players is symptomatic of the complacency the owners are trying to eradicate.
I don't think it is harsh at all. They assessed the man, gave him a chance and supported him fully in the transfer market. Being sixth points off fourth isn't a great return for £200m quid, especially considering how poor the top clubs are this season in the league.
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apparently as a special treat Mark Hughes was allowed to pick the team today, hence no Robinho and Adebeyour with Santa Cruz starting and scoring twice. Maybe they should have let him pick the team more often, despite having half a defence missing they still picked up the win, and surely the game of the day with 7 goals. What more do those Osamas want?
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If City were smart they would buy Yaya Toure who is on the fringes at Barcelona at the moment and clearly not happy. He is f*cking immense and Barry-Yaya Toure in the middle of the pitch would be a very good pairing.
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Santi Claus wrote:If City were smart they would buy Yaya Toure who is on the fringes at Barcelona at the moment and clearly not happy. He is f*cking immense andBarryIreland-Yaya Toure in the middle of the pitch would be a very good pairing.
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Laudable Laudrup wrote:Santi Claus wrote:If City were smart they would buy Yaya Toure who is on the fringes at Barcelona at the moment and clearly not happy. He is f*cking immense andBarryIreland-Yaya Toure in the middle of the pitch would be a very good pairing.
Nah, for me Ireland should play further forward behind the front three (Robinho-Adebayor-Wright Phillips).
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Barry is a pointless CM. De Jong is defensive. Ireland is creative and could tackle too. He would be my choice. I think Bellamy and/or Tevez are undroppable. They make City tick in attack and vital for counters.
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City don't need much added to their squad aside from a good centre back and a good manager to make a decent team out of the egos.
Do Adebayor, Toure and Robinho really care enough to put the maximum effort into every game ???
Once he gets the shape of the team sorted he'll probably have to move on the dozens of attackers that miss out. We'll take Petrov and Santa Cruz at Liverpool plz.
Do Adebayor, Toure and Robinho really care enough to put the maximum effort into every game ???
Once he gets the shape of the team sorted he'll probably have to move on the dozens of attackers that miss out. We'll take Petrov and Santa Cruz at Liverpool plz.
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Everybody blames Robinho but he was excellent last season and has barely played a game this one. Being Italian Mancini should know a defender when he see's one and a keeper. So i cant see Given, Bridge and maybe all the other defenders lasting very long. Liverpool cant afford anyone so try a loan for Ruud.
TheCrazy58- Number of posts : 8151
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You could say Hughes was unfortunate; had City not become a money laundering vehicle (under Shinawatra), and then an investment /PR opportunity for people with more money than football smarts, then he'd have done a perfectly decent job for a top 10 club with occassional Europa League pretensions. But once that happened, he was always going to be way out of his depth. He wasn't used to spending the kind of money he was given and not used to managing the kind of players that brought, and never had the experience or the capabilities to manage, let alone satify, the kind of overinflated expectations entertained by his employers. (IMO only a very few managers have the capacity to do this, incl Capello and Hiddink). He looked utterly devasted leaving the pitch after the match today; as someone commented, he's basically a timid man and it may take him a while to get over this.
I'm rather surprised Mancini has been signed on a long contract - I'd have thought City'd wait for Maureen or Hiddink to become available in the summer. Also the timing of the sacking seems a bit daft amidst the Xmas fixture logjam and a couple of weeks away from the Carling Cup s/f (though I can see they might win that now ). Not sure exactly what it is that Mancini can do significantly better for the rest of the season that Hughes might have done.
btw, the team must have known before the match, right?
I'm rather surprised Mancini has been signed on a long contract - I'd have thought City'd wait for Maureen or Hiddink to become available in the summer. Also the timing of the sacking seems a bit daft amidst the Xmas fixture logjam and a couple of weeks away from the Carling Cup s/f (though I can see they might win that now ). Not sure exactly what it is that Mancini can do significantly better for the rest of the season that Hughes might have done.
btw, the team must have known before the match, right?
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I don't feel sorry for Hughes - He deserved to get the sack before this season even started. Did worse than Sven last season.
As for Mancini, it's impossible to know how good he really is because of CalcioPoli, but Mourinho hasn't improved Inter IMO.. we'll see.
As for Mancini, it's impossible to know how good he really is because of CalcioPoli, but Mourinho hasn't improved Inter IMO.. we'll see.
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What? Hughes sacked?!!!!
Shocking news.
Shocking news.
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Seriously, there must be an inverse relationship between football sense and the amount of money you have. Sacking Hughes is the right decision and was inevitable, but then they go and replace him with Mancini
The guy is mentally weak (as we saw in his reaction after Inter lost to Liverpool last year) and I don't know if he can handle the egos in the City dressing room any better (or worse, if you like) than Hughes.
Plus he's only really won one league title as a manager and has no experience outside Italy...not necessarily a disadvantage, but IMO not ideal to achieve the instant success that City's owners want.
I think it's quite obvious what they should have done - get in Hiddink for 6 months or just let Hughes be till the end of the season. Then go for Mourinho in the summer, as he clearly has problems in Italy (yet another press boycott last weekend) and would jump at the City job now that Liverpool isn't really an option due to their lack of money.
The guy is mentally weak (as we saw in his reaction after Inter lost to Liverpool last year) and I don't know if he can handle the egos in the City dressing room any better (or worse, if you like) than Hughes.
Plus he's only really won one league title as a manager and has no experience outside Italy...not necessarily a disadvantage, but IMO not ideal to achieve the instant success that City's owners want.
I think it's quite obvious what they should have done - get in Hiddink for 6 months or just let Hughes be till the end of the season. Then go for Mourinho in the summer, as he clearly has problems in Italy (yet another press boycott last weekend) and would jump at the City job now that Liverpool isn't really an option due to their lack of money.
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One thing Mancini did at Inter. He stopped the useless spending witch Inter was known for and got some good players. If he can do that for Man City then I can see them finishing in top 4 next year.
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Yes but this is the state of Abu Dhabi he'll be dealing with, their perspective on spending will be on a completely different dimension from Inter's.
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debethlehem wrote:21GunnerSalute wrote:The joke of a defence assembled by him after spending some 60m quid should be a good enough reason to sack him.
So what options did the Sheikhs have. Give him another 50m for further 6 months of mediocrity.
I guess the likes of Aston Villa and Spurs leapfrogging Citeh in the race for top 4 spot should have been the proverbial last straw. After all they have done it after spending a tenth of what Hughes did.
What I am not sure is whether Mancini is the right guy to replace him. Surely they could have dangled a few more bucks and got someone like Hiddink or Mourinho to take over.
Compare:
Friedel 2m
Cuellar 9m
Dunne 5m
Collins 5m
Warnock 7m
Young 5m
Beye 2m
= 35m
Conceded 14.
or
Given 12m
Bridge 12m
Toure 16m
Lescott 24m
Zabaleta 6m
Sylvinho, Richards and Onouha Free
=60m
Conceded 27.
(some of the values might be a bit out)
Flash Given was £8mil to be fair.
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Gomes £8mil
Corluka £8mil
Bassong £8mil
Dawson £4mil
Assou-Ekotto £3mil
= £31mil
+ Hutton £6mil
Bale £5mil
Woodgate £7mil
King £0
Cudicini £0
£ approx 49mil in total.
Conceded 22.
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christmasborocooper- Number of posts : 39348
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That amount of money for Lescott just looks more ridiculous everytime I see it..and Bridge obviously, fucking idiot.
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Even Toure hasn't impressed much. Well we can enjoy with that 16m odd quid I suppose
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21GunnerSalute wrote:Even Toure hasn't impressed much. Well we can enjoy with that 16m odd quid I suppose
Spend it on another Eduardo. He's more than proven his worth.
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Yep, my thoughts exactly.Edin Dzeko wrote:One thing Mancini did at Inter. He stopped the useless spending witch Inter was known for and got some good players. If he can do that for Man City then I can see them finishing in top 4 next year.
For those perplexed about Mancini AND invoking Mourinho... after seeing both at Inter to me Mancini >>>> Mourinho, and I'm not a Mancini fan.
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Edin Dzeko wrote:One thing Mancini did at Inter. He stopped the useless spending witch Inter was known for and got some good players. If he can do that for Man City then I can see them finishing in top 4 next year.
I doubt it was Mancini who did that. More the arrival of Branca and Oriali, plus the Serie A transfer bubble blowing in 2002.
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21GunnerSalute wrote:Even Toure hasn't impressed much. Well we can enjoy with that 16m odd quid I suppose
Even Toure? Did you expect him to be a great signing for them?
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Why did he get rid of Dunne? Was he not happy there.
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Brian2468 wrote:Why did he get rid of Dunne? Was he not happy there.
Because he was looking increasingly like a terrible player.
The mistake was not getting rid of Dunne, it was wasting all summer pursuing and then blowing the load on one very average centre back, some would argue two average centre backs.
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21GunnerSalute wrote:Even Toure hasn't impressed much. Well we can enjoy with that 16m odd quid I suppose
I take it you havnt seen us muhc cos Toure has been great this season
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@goater, who in your opinion have to be booted out in Jan? - Bridge and Ade for a start maybe? Does Bellamy have a future seeing he's a Hughes loyalist and potentially prove disruptive?
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Sgoater1 wrote:21GunnerSalute wrote:Even Toure hasn't impressed much. Well we can enjoy with that 16m odd quid I suppose
I take it you havnt seen us muhc cos Toure has been great this season
Back on form Goater. Good man
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TheCrazy58 wrote:@goater, who in your opinion have to be booted out in Jan? - Bridge and Ade for a start maybe? Does Bellamy have a future seeing he's a Hughes loyalist and potentially prove disruptive?
WTF?!
What did he do wrong?
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The Santa Stalker wrote:TheCrazy58 wrote:@goater, who in your opinion have to be booted out in Jan? - Bridge and Ade for a start maybe? Does Bellamy have a future seeing he's a Hughes loyalist and potentially prove disruptive?
WTF?!
What did he do wrong?
Hard to say but id be amazed if Ade left, he hasnt been great recently but over the season he has something like 6 goals in 13 games and 4 assists which isnt that bad. Bridge hasnt been that bad either but ive heard we want a new left back so we'll see.
TBH i dont think we will sell many at all, Benjani will go but i think we will buy 2 or 3 players, we do have injuries and i think Mancini will wait till the summer to sell.
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