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    Post by TheCrazy58 Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:32 am

    From Mail on Sunday. Quite amusing and correct too.

    So football needs more English managers? Tell that to the WILast updated at 10:44 PM on 13th March 2010

    Phil Brown pinched his nose, shook his head and delivered the most enigmatic remark of the season. ‘I’d like to apologise to the Women’s Institute,’ said the manager of Hull City. ‘There was apparently 50-100 women going on a march across the Humber Bridge and the incident was unsavoury and unfortunate.’

    And we hugged ourselves in surprise and delight. For this was pure Alan Bennett; these were lines which the greatest living Englishman would have been thrilled to compose.

    Two of Brown’s players, Nick Barmby and Jimmy Bullard, had been seen slicing lumps off each other in a brawl while on a ‘warmdown outing’ to a park close to the Humber Bridge. We can only imagine the genteel incredulity of the Hull WI.

    Brown, of course, is one of just seven English managers in the Premier League and he is well schooled in the cliches of his trade.
    ‘It’s a passionate game and emotions run high,’ he babbled. ‘It’s a sign they care.’

    A court might find that explanation singularly unconvincing but the fact Brown could offer it is sadly instructive. In the eyes of most English managers, football is a game played by passionate ruffians. The harder you kick, the more you care and the less foreign players understand your caring. It is a nonsense, of course, but that’s the way the thinking goes.

    Naturally, there are exceptions. Roy Hodgson, of Fulham, is a civilising influence <Ale> , while Brian Laws, of Burnley, displays encouraging signs. But then, there are the others. Harry Redknapp, of Tottenham, who was once instrumental in buying an FA Cup for Portsmouth ok , takes some pride in his failure to understand foreigners.

    Of Samassi Abou, who played for him at West Ham, he said: ‘He don’t speak the English too good.’ Of Abou’s so-called ‘mystery ailment’, he said: ‘The lad went home to the Ivory Coast and got a bit of food poisoning. He must have eaten a dodgy missionary or something.’
    And of a crop of new signings, he said: ‘I left a couple of my foreigners out last week and they started talking in “foreign”. I knew what they were saying, “Blah, blah, blah, le b***** manager, f****** useless b*****!”’

    Football considers Redknapp a ‘character’, which is a much kinder epithet than the real world might bestow. But then, in that real world an otherwise intelligent man like Steve Bruce might be reluctant to blame Sunderland’s recurring misfortune on ‘the media’.

    Some of us find it difficult to keep a straight face when discussing Tony Pulis, of Stoke. It isn’t just the ugliness of the long throws — most commentators regularly assure that ‘there’s a lot more to Stoke than long throws’ — it’s the thought of Pulis leaping from his bath in order to butt his star striker. The story may have been exaggerated but the image is disturbing.

    Which brings us to Sam Allardyce. ‘Personal criticism is not the road I go down,’ boomed the Blackburn manager last week.

    This from the man who conceals his own cloddish deficiencies with bovine criticism of referees, who declares that Trevor Brooking has been given his senior FA coaching appointment because he has ‘a media-friendly face’ and who maintains a tedious campaign against Rafael Benitez, who not only produces superior football teams but speaks rather better English than the Blackburn bumbler.

    It is said that Allardyce is still ambitious to become manager of England. Fabio Capello is not trembling in his shoes. Laughing

    Now, none of this suggests that English managers are incapable of operating at the highest levels.

    From Ramsey to Clough to Paisley to Robson, the precedents are illustrious and persuasive. Yet England is not producing its Ferguson or its Wenger. It cannot offer an O’Neill or a Moyes. Instead, it gives us Cockney caricatures and people who want the ball belted high, long and often.

    There are those who contend that there is little wrong with English football which could not be cured by many more English managers.
    Personally, I doubt they are right and I doubt that public opinion is with them. For they may offer Messrs Brown, Redknapp, Allardyce et al. But I shall cite the horrified ladies of the Hull Women’s Institute.
    I rest my case.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1257765/Patrick-Collins-So-football-needs-English-managers-Tell-WI.html#ixzz0i8axaCAV
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    Post by Kroos Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:44 am

    and goalkeepers, and refs
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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:26 am

    TheCrazy58 wrote:From Mail on Sunday. Quite amusing and correct too.

    So football needs more English managers? Tell that to the WILast updated at 10:44 PM on 13th March 2010

    Phil Brown pinched his nose, shook his head and delivered the most enigmatic remark of the season. ‘I’d like to apologise to the Women’s Institute,’ said the manager of Hull City. ‘There was apparently 50-100 women going on a march across the Humber Bridge and the incident was unsavoury and unfortunate.’

    And we hugged ourselves in surprise and delight. For this was pure Alan Bennett; these were lines which the greatest living Englishman would have been thrilled to compose.

    Two of Brown’s players, Nick Barmby and Jimmy Bullard, had been seen slicing lumps off each other in a brawl while on a ‘warmdown outing’ to a park close to the Humber Bridge. We can only imagine the genteel incredulity of the Hull WI.

    Brown, of course, is one of just seven English managers in the Premier League and he is well schooled in the cliches of his trade.
    ‘It’s a passionate game and emotions run high,’ he babbled. ‘It’s a sign they care.’

    A court might find that explanation singularly unconvincing but the fact Brown could offer it is sadly instructive. In the eyes of most English managers, football is a game played by passionate ruffians. The harder you kick, the more you care and the less foreign players understand your caring. It is a nonsense, of course, but that’s the way the thinking goes.

    Naturally, there are exceptions. Roy Hodgson, of Fulham, is a civilising influence <Ale> , while Brian Laws, of Burnley, displays encouraging signs. But then, there are the others. Harry Redknapp, of Tottenham, who was once instrumental in buying an FA Cup for Portsmouth ok , takes some pride in his failure to understand foreigners.

    Of Samassi Abou, who played for him at West Ham, he said: ‘He don’t speak the English too good.’ Of Abou’s so-called ‘mystery ailment’, he said: ‘The lad went home to the Ivory Coast and got a bit of food poisoning. He must have eaten a dodgy missionary or something.’
    And of a crop of new signings, he said: ‘I left a couple of my foreigners out last week and they started talking in “foreign”. I knew what they were saying, “Blah, blah, blah, le b***** manager, f****** useless b*****!”’

    Football considers Redknapp a ‘character’, which is a much kinder epithet than the real world might bestow. But then, in that real world an otherwise intelligent man like Steve Bruce might be reluctant to blame Sunderland’s recurring misfortune on ‘the media’.

    Some of us find it difficult to keep a straight face when discussing Tony Pulis, of Stoke. It isn’t just the ugliness of the long throws — most commentators regularly assure that ‘there’s a lot more to Stoke than long throws’ — it’s the thought of Pulis leaping from his bath in order to butt his star striker. The story may have been exaggerated but the image is disturbing.

    Which brings us to Sam Allardyce. ‘Personal criticism is not the road I go down,’ boomed the Blackburn manager last week.

    This from the man who conceals his own cloddish deficiencies with bovine criticism of referees, who declares that Trevor Brooking has been given his senior FA coaching appointment because he has ‘a media-friendly face’ and who maintains a tedious campaign against Rafael Benitez, who not only produces superior football teams but speaks rather better English than the Blackburn bumbler.

    It is said that Allardyce is still ambitious to become manager of England. Fabio Capello is not trembling in his shoes. Laughing

    Now, none of this suggests that English managers are incapable of operating at the highest levels.

    From Ramsey to Clough to Paisley to Robson, the precedents are illustrious and persuasive. Yet England is not producing its Ferguson or its Wenger. It cannot offer an O’Neill or a Moyes. Instead, it gives us Cockney caricatures and people who want the ball belted high, long and often.

    There are those who contend that there is little wrong with English football which could not be cured by many more English managers.
    Personally, I doubt they are right and I doubt that public opinion is with them. For they may offer Messrs Brown, Redknapp, Allardyce et al. But I shall cite the horrified ladies of the Hull Women’s Institute.
    I rest my case.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1257765/Patrick-Collins-So-football-needs-English-managers-Tell-WI.html#ixzz0i8axaCAV

    No doubt the type of article to get an Arsenal supporter all frothy and excited, given their nothing English at all about their club anymore,

    but this journalist quotes Harry Redknapp from eons ago.

    Since then, he's been pretty public about his gushing admiration of 'foreigners' - the 3 croatians he has currently for example.

    http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Sports/2010-01-04/8095/Harry_Redknapp_praises_Croatian_players

    And were he as insular as this fabulously constructed insightful piece attempts to be, he wouldn't be so schooled in buying 'foreigners' such as Lassana Diarra who then go onto be signed for 5 or 6 times the price he paid for.
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    Post by Aristoskank Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:35 am

    Is Allardyce's arrogance a result of him being English?

    This article seems to think so.

    Is deflecting attention from your teams failing by complaining about the media something only English managers do?

    This article seems to think so.

    Has Benitez has bucketloads more money with which to make his team better than Allardyce's?

    This article seems to overlook this.

    Is citing Redknapp's pretty minor jingoism a bit pathetic given the vast number of foreign players signed and successfully managed by English managers?

    This article seems to overlook this.




    I'm no great fan of English football managers, but this article is a load of wank. It is not 'correct', though it doesn't surprise me that a foreign supporter of a foreign team (Arsenal) would think that it is. A quick reminder - Wenger inherited a back five that was all English, and they were the foundation for the early success that keeps Wenger in his job years later. Yet the great foreign manager has proved repeatedly incapable of building a goalkeeping and defensive unit of anything like that quality. Regardless of how much money and time he's given and regardless of how wide he casts his transfer net in his appreciation of non-English footballers.
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    Post by Bashmachkin Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:58 am

    During the 2001/02 season, at the end of which Arsenal claimed their second league title under Wenger, the English back-five he inherited - Seaman, Adams, Keown, Dixon and Winterburn, who had provided the foundation for his first success four years earlier - started a combined 51 games. A back five comprised of players Wenger bought or (in the case of Ashley Cole, who was 15 when Wenger became Arsenal's manager) debuted - Wright, Campbell, Grimandi, Cole, Lauren - started a combined 108 games that season.

    In the 2003/04 season, when Arsenal went undefeated in the league and won their third title under Wenger, the back five he inherited started a combined 3 games. A back five of players he bought or, again in Cole's case, debuted - Lehmann, Campbell, Toure, Cole, Lauren - started a combined 171 games.

    It is a shame that, the latter two successes not counting for anything, Wenger today shamefully and desperately clings onto his job based on a group of English defenders, bought by a predecessor, who dragged him to his first and only worthwhile success in 1997/98. Is a man who refuses to stand on his own feet still a man?
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    Post by Aristoskank Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:34 pm

    Bash,


    Sarcasm is not only a low form of wit, it's a shit way of arguing.

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