how often was your club in CL Final/Semifinal since 1980

then we will find the best club in the more modern days of football history

4 points for an CL win, 2 points for runners up, 1 point for semi final

Bayern:

winner: 2001
runners-up: 1999, 1987, 1982
semifinal: 1981, 1990, 2010, 1991, 1995, 2000


16 points for bayern

i think milan will win, but bayern was not bad, in 30 years of CL they made it 10 times into a semifinal, the last 9 years were highly disappointing for bayern, but the future looks bright

How many pts for the champion that didn't win the game, and required PK's? For instance, Liverpool '83-'84 season, Steaua '85-'86, PSV '87-'88...do they still get 2pts each? or 3pts for the PK winner? A full 4pts hasn't been earned in my opinion, but what do I know.

Villa have 4 points

Milan would win, then probably Juve, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona..(not sure on order)

24 different teams have made the final since 1980, quite a diverse time..

I tell you this much: The 50's was owned by Spain with Real Madrid 4 titles. The 60's was Italia's with 4 wins. The 70's was a good struggle among Holland, England, and Germany. Holland edging it with four winners.

The 80's it was close between Italia and England with three wins each. However, Italia had more final showings overall, and not only that, but they won the head to head final with Juve beating Liverpool. The Reds tied Roma in the other final. So 80's to Italia.

The 90's it was for Italia no doubt about it.

The 00's it should've been England's turn (going by precedent), but Liverpool needed PK's to beat Milan. The Mancs beat Chelsea through PK's. It should've been England's golden decade in Europe, but Spain took the decade without a doubt with 4 winners (maybe 5 if Barcelona win again).

So, the 00's should've been England's, but they lost it to Spain, and now the 10's should be Spain's as well judging by how the tide's turned in their favor further stretching their lead of European titles.

You gotta consider early 80s as separate from late 80s as Liverpool got England banned from Europe for 5 yrs. If that hadn't happened, it's not ridiculous to suggest England would've won a couple more, after winning 7 of the last 9

I'd describe it:

50s Spain
60s Italy/Portugal
Early 70s Netherlands
Mid 70s Germany
Late 70s-Early 80s England
Mid 80s-Mid 90s Italy
Late 90s-Early 00s Spain
Late 00s England
10s....?

It's quite amazing to think now that Spain did not win once between 1966 and 1992.

90s was definitely Italy Puro, not Spain.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:90s was definitely Italy Puro, not Spain.

I stand corrected. Got confused adding up # of titles and seasons so quickly.

Yes, 90's it's definitely Italia with 3 winners and 5 losing finalists to Spain's 2 winners and a losing finalist.

By the way, I was going by decades, you know when the decade begins with number 0 and ends with number 9. None of that breaking it down bullshite to accomodate your ass hole.

The winner we'll have soon in a few weeks will be the first winner for the 10's, and most likely Spain to once again kick-off a decade with a winner.

We've had Lrdland, Batworld. Now it looks like we're moving into Puroplanet.

Alberto wrote:I tell you this much: The 50's was owned by Spain with Real Madrid 4 titles. The 60's was Italia's with 4 wins. The 70's was a good struggle among Holland, England, and Germany. Holland edging it with four winners.

The 80's it was close between Italia and England with three wins each. However, Italia had more final showings overall, and not only that, but they won the head to head final with Juve beating Liverpool. The Reds tied Roma in the other final. So 80's to Italia.

The 90's it was for Italia no doubt about it.

The 00's it should've been England's turn (going by precedent), but Liverpool needed PK's to beat Milan. The Mancs beat Chelsea through PK's. It should've been England's golden decade in Europe, but Spain took the decade without a doubt with 4 winners (maybe 5 if Barcelona win again).

So, the 00's should've been England's, but they lost it to Spain, and now the 10's should be Spain's as well judging by how the tide's turned in their favor further stretching their lead of European titles.

2 English teams contesting a penalty shoot out in the CL final: why on Earth have you used this example as a criticism of England's success in the 00's?

Spain has had more winners in the 00's, but England have had 4 different clubs in the CL in the 00's, 6 times in the 9 years the final has had an English club in it to Spain's 3 clubs and 4 times in the final.

The very top team in Spain is > England, but the strength of the English CL contingent has been stronger than Spain in the 00's. As proven by UEFA's coefficient points, where England outscored Spain.

Golden

S4P wrote:We've had Lrdland, Batworld. Now it looks like we're moving into Puroplanet.

I haven't made a personal comment about who's the best or who's the worst. I simply pointed out who won the most every decade after Ozil asked about what teams were doing the best.

What the fuck is your problem FFS!

Champions League started in 1992

I have deducted 7 points from Bayern

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Alberto wrote:I tell you this much: The 50's was owned by Spain with Real Madrid 4 titles. The 60's was Italia's with 4 wins. The 70's was a good struggle among Holland, England, and Germany. Holland edging it with four winners.

The 80's it was close between Italia and England with three wins each. However, Italia had more final showings overall, and not only that, but they won the head to head final with Juve beating Liverpool. The Reds tied Roma in the other final. So 80's to Italia.

The 90's it was for Italia no doubt about it.

The 00's it should've been England's turn (going by precedent), but Liverpool needed PK's to beat Milan. The Mancs beat Chelsea through PK's. It should've been England's golden decade in Europe, but Spain took the decade without a doubt with 4 winners (maybe 5 if Barcelona win again).

So, the 00's should've been England's, but they lost it to Spain, and now the 10's should be Spain's as well judging by how the tide's turned in their favor further stretching their lead of European titles.

2 English teams contesting a penalty shoot out in the CL final: why on Earth have you used this example as a criticism of England's success in the 00's?

Spain has had more winners in the 00's, but England have had 4 different clubs in the CL in the 00's, 6 times in the 9 years the final has had an English club in it to Spain's 3 clubs and 4 times in the final.

The very top team in Spain is > England, but the strength of the English CL contingent has been stronger than Spain in the 00's. As proven by UEFA's coefficient points, where England outscored Spain.

Golden

The bit in bold confuses me Bernd. You said England had 4 different clubs in the CL, do you mean 4 different clubs in the final?

FYI a decade lasts 10 years, not 9, and it was 5 times they had a finalist (not 6). Spain also had one of it's clubs in the final 5 times. So pretty even there, but if we went on semi finalists, i think the EPL would probably win.

The coefficient points also take the UEFA cup into account, so you'd have to adjust for that. I don't think Spain is that lacking in depth during the 00's. Obviously you have Real and Barca, but Valencia reached the 2 finals and Deportivo were also consistantly reaching the latter stages. Villareal also reached the semis once.

Alberto wrote:

S4P wrote:We've had Lrdland, Batworld. Now it looks like we're moving into Puroplanet.

I haven't made a personal comment about who's the best or who's the worst. I simply pointed out who won the most every decade after Ozil asked about what teams were doing the best.

What the fuck is your problem FFS!

Alberto wrote:The 00's it should've been England's turn (going by precedent), but Liverpool needed PK's to beat Milan. The Mancs beat Chelsea through PK's. It should've been England's golden decade in Europe, but Spain took the decade without a doubt with 4 winners (maybe 5 if Barcelona win again).

So, the 00's should've been England's, but they lost it to Spain, and now the 10's should be Spain's as well judging by how the tide's turned in their favor further stretching their lead of European titles

Are you not saying that Spanish teams performed better than English teams?

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Alberto wrote:I tell you this much: The 50's was owned by Spain with Real Madrid 4 titles. The 60's was Italia's with 4 wins. The 70's was a good struggle among Holland, England, and Germany. Holland edging it with four winners.

The 80's it was close between Italia and England with three wins each. However, Italia had more final showings overall, and not only that, but they won the head to head final with Juve beating Liverpool. The Reds tied Roma in the other final. So 80's to Italia.

The 90's it was for Italia no doubt about it.

The 00's it should've been England's turn (going by precedent), but Liverpool needed PK's to beat Milan. The Mancs beat Chelsea through PK's. It should've been England's golden decade in Europe, but Spain took the decade without a doubt with 4 winners (maybe 5 if Barcelona win again).

So, the 00's should've been England's, but they lost it to Spain, and now the 10's should be Spain's as well judging by how the tide's turned in their favor further stretching their lead of European titles.

2 English teams contesting a penalty shoot out in the CL final: why on Earth have you used this example as a criticism of England's success in the 00's?

Spain has had more winners in the 00's, but England have had 4 different clubs in the CL in the 00's, 6 times in the 9 years the final has had an English club in it to Spain's 3 clubs and 4 times in the final.

The very top team in Spain is > England, but the strength of the English CL contingent has been stronger than Spain in the 00's. As proven by UEFA's coefficient points, where England outscored Spain.

Golden

The bit in bold confuses me Bernd. You said England had 4 different clubs in the CL, do you mean 4 different clubs in the final?

FYI a decade lasts 10 years, not 9, and it was 5 times they had a finalist (not 6). Spain also had one of it's clubs in the final 5 times. So pretty even there, but if we went on semi finalists, i think the EPL would probably win.

The coefficient points also take the UEFA cup into account, so you'd have to adjust for that. I don't think Spain is that lacking in depth during the 00's. Obviously you have Real and Barca, but Valencia reached the 2 finals and Deportivo were also consistantly reaching the latter stages. Villareal also reached the semis once.

4 clubs in the final.

Spain marginallu wins in my opinion, however I'm merely formulating an argument of sorts as to why it's a lot closer than Puro has given credit for.

No, I never said who was 'better' or 'worse'. I simply wrote historical data without any personal comment attached to it, but now I will.

After researching the data, it is without doubt, that Spain has won the most trophies, and Italia has sent the most finalists. Thus clearly Spain is #1 and Italia #2.

I leave the minor stats and nuances of adding quarterfinalists to the mix to accomodate their ass holes to the fuckos.

Milan from 1992-93 Champions League

19 point,

92-93 final,
93-94 winner
94-95 final

02-03 winner
04-05 final
05-06 semi-final
06-07 winner

Alberto wrote:No, I never said who was 'better' or 'worse'. I simply wrote historical data without any personal comment attached to it, but now I will.

After researching the data, it is without doubt, that Spain has won the most trophies, and Italia has sent the most finalists. Thus clearly Spain is #1 and Italia #2.

I leave the minor stats and nuances of adding quarterfinalists to the mix to accomodate their ass holes to the fuckos.

England has the highest win % per entry. Ergo, England is top dog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_winners#By_country

England

Kimbo wrote:

England has the highest win % per entry. Ergo, England is top dog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_winners#By_country

Even better : Holland > Germany

Kimbo wrote:

Alberto wrote:No, I never said who was 'better' or 'worse'. I simply wrote historical data without any personal comment attached to it, but now I will.

After researching the data, it is without doubt, that Spain has won the most trophies, and Italia has sent the most finalists. Thus clearly Spain is #1 and Italia #2.

I leave the minor stats and nuances of adding quarterfinalists to the mix to accomodate their ass holes to the fuckos.

England has the highest win % per entry. Ergo, England is top dog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_winners#By_country

Holy SHITE! I didn't know the EPL only had SEVENTEEN finalists overall. That's right there with Germany appearances pretty much.

Thanks for the info Kimbo.

Alberto wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Alberto wrote:No, I never said who was 'better' or 'worse'. I simply wrote historical data without any personal comment attached to it, but now I will.

After researching the data, it is without doubt, that Spain has won the most trophies, and Italia has sent the most finalists. Thus clearly Spain is #1 and Italia #2.

I leave the minor stats and nuances of adding quarterfinalists to the mix to accomodate their ass holes to the fuckos.

England has the highest win % per entry. Ergo, England is top dog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Cup_and_UEFA_Champions_League_winners#By_country

Holy SHITE! I didn't know the EPL only had SEVENTEEN finalists overall. That's right there with Germany appearances pretty much.

Thanks for the info Kimbo.

England: 11 winners, 6 runners up = 17

Germany 6 winners, 7 runners up = 13

Spain 12 winners, 9 runners up = 21

So, England is no more "right there" with Germany appearances as Spain is "right there" with English appearances. And England had 5 years of no European competition to boot.

Who is it now whose accomodating their ass holes to the fuckos?

This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

Puro speaks for all Johnny Foreigners then?

Kimbo wrote:This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

Thats coz you need some Johnny Foreigners to counterbalance the many Johnny Englanders on this MB

Kimbo wrote:This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

I'll try to live up to your view of the world then :

How many times has an ENGLISH manager won the champion's league ?

Axeslammer wrote:

Kimbo wrote:This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

I'll try to live up to your view of the world then :

How many times has an ENGLISH manager won the champion's league ?

Who cares, even if they did it would have been engineered by the Rothschilds anyway.

And everyone knows if Fat Sam Allardyce had been called Fatistico Samuelini Perreira Del 'Allardicio, he'd have won back to back titles with AC Milan

Axeslammer wrote:

Kimbo wrote:This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

I'll try to live up to your view of the world then :

How many times has an ENGLISH manager won the champion's league ?

Brian Clough won 2 with Forest
Tony Barton won 1 with Villa
Bob Paisley won 3 with Pool
Joe Fagan won 1 with Pool

So that's 7, not bad.

Kimbo wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Kimbo wrote:This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

I'll try to live up to your view of the world then :

How many times has an ENGLISH manager won the champion's league ?

Brian Clough won 2 with Forest
Tony Barton won 1 with Villa
Bob Paisley won 3 with Pool
Joe Fagan won 1 with Pool

So that's 7, not bad.

I'd ask my school money back if I were you

Axeslammer wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Axeslammer wrote:

Kimbo wrote:This is a beautiful example of what we were talking about a few weeks back. One bad season in europe and English football is the shower-bitch again for Johnny Foreigner, people should imagine this happening for years(as it did) before they accuse the English of being "arrogant" again.

I'll try to live up to your view of the world then :

How many times has an ENGLISH manager won the champion's league ?

Brian Clough won 2 with Forest
Tony Barton won 1 with Villa
Bob Paisley won 3 with Pool
Joe Fagan won 1 with Pool

So that's 7, not bad.

I'd ask my school money back if I were you

Are you speaking English?