Hodgson vs. Mourinho

Who's the better manager? Discuss

Watching Fulham tonight, I know which manager's team is more enjoyable to watch for the neutral

Mourinho

L r dd wrote:Mourinho

Yep.

Mourinho is overrated but still one of the very, very best.

Hodgson isn't quite at that level but has done very well in this job.

Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

Kimbo wrote:Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

In jose last 7 seasons in football hes won 6 league titles a uefa cup a probably two cl's now. It's pretty remarkable stuff. Hodgson parked the bus in Germany.

L r dd wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

In jose last 7 seasons in football hes won 6 league titles a uefa cup a probably two cl's now. It's pretty remarkable stuff. Hodgson parked the bus in Germany.

Fulham have mixed it up, they totally outplayed Bremen in the last round.

I am aware that Mourinho has won trophies.

A lot of them.

I like Hodgson though and what he has done is also remarkable. Some will say give Jose Fulham he wouldn't do this well. But give Hodgson what Mourinho has he wouldnt have won all those trophies.

When did i say Hodgson is a better manager anyway?

Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Could Mourinho have taken a club like Fulham and got them to the UEFA cup final, and doing it in style?

Who knows. Mourinho is the more successful, the more ruthless tactician,

but what Hodgson has done in terms of getting Fulham playing some brilliant football on a shoestring is quite remarkable.

Very different managers - Hodgson would come across very silly if he played up an arrogant streak like Mourinho. He's far to woveable

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Could Mourinho have taken a club like Fulham and got them to the UEFA cup final, and doing it in style?

Who knows. Mourinho is the more successful, the more ruthless tactician,

but what Hodgson has done in terms of getting Fulham playing some brilliant football on a shoestring is quite remarkable.

e: Very different managers - Hodgson would come across very silly if he played up an arrogant streak like Mourinho. He's far to woveable

Kimbo wrote:Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Could Mourinho have taken a club like Fulham and got them to the UEFA cup final, and doing it in style?

Who knows. Mourinho is the more successful, the more ruthless tactician,

but what Hodgson has done in terms of getting Fulham playing some brilliant football on a shoestring is quite remarkable.

Very different managers - Hodgson would come across very silly if he played up an arrogant streak like Mourinho. He's far to woveable

Mourinho proved in 2004 that he can take a club that isn't big compared to their competitors and take them far. That is more impressive then what Hodgson has done even if I like him and his very likeable side.

I think way too many have overreacted because of the game last night. You have to put in context. Inter has barely parked the bus except for that game and Inter wer a man down for much of it against Barcelona. Also while Fulham have certainly been impressive they too have been defensive when needed. Not that there is anything bad about that because they did what they needed to do.

Kimbo wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

In jose last 7 seasons in football hes won 6 league titles a uefa cup a probably two cl's now. It's pretty remarkable stuff. Hodgson parked the bus in Germany.

Fulham have mixed it up, they totally outplayed Bremen in the last round.

I am aware that Mourinho has won trophies.

They didn't play Bremen in the last round.

Bobo trolling with a book of facts tonight.

Wolfsburg, excuse me, they're both German and start with W.

Kimbo wrote:Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

He's at least Mourinho's equal tactically. I can't see a Mourinho team stopping us from playing the way Fulham did at the Emirates last season. And no they didn't park the bus, nor did they kick us off the pitch, they played mainly in our half and passed us to death especially in the final minutes and that with players who are technically inferior to ours(Guardiola must have copied his tactics).

There are not many mangers who improves players better than him at the moment.

However he doesn't have Mourinho's charisma or personality and that counts a lot for a manager.

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Moratti had taken over a couple of years previously and they had already started spending the money bringing in some very good players like Zamorano, Winter and Djorkaeff.

Inter have reduced their spending over last 10 years, but they've started to spend again with Mourinho (though the sale of Ibra has helped that).

The Professor wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Tactically Hodgson has been more impressive in europe this season. Everyone is high on Jose at the moment, but lets face it, he just parked the bus yesterday. It's nothing different to what Allardyce and co do.

He's at least Mourinho's equal tactically. I can't see a Mourinho team stopping us from playing the way Fulham did at the Emirates last season. And no they didn't park the bus, nor did they kick us off the pitch, they played mainly in our half and passed us to death especially in the final minutes and that with players who are technically inferior to ours(Guardiola must have copied his tactics).

There are not many mangers who improves players better than him at the moment.

However he doesn't have Mourinho's charisma or personality and that counts a lot for a manager.

Not quite the Emirates, but you get the idea:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4516350.stm

Super Madrid wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Could Mourinho have taken a club like Fulham and got them to the UEFA cup final, and doing it in style?

Who knows. Mourinho is the more successful, the more ruthless tactician,

but what Hodgson has done in terms of getting Fulham playing some brilliant football on a shoestring is quite remarkable.

Very different managers - Hodgson would come across very silly if he played up an arrogant streak like Mourinho. He's far to woveable

Mourinho proved in 2004 that he can take a club that isn't big compared to their competitors and take them far. That is more impressive then what Hodgson has done even if I like him and his very likeable side.

I think way too many have overreacted because of the game last night. You have to put in context. Inter has barely parked the bus except for that game and Inter wer a man down for much of it against Barcelona. Also while Fulham have certainly been impressive they too have been defensive when needed. Not that there is anything bad about that because they did what they needed to do.

That Porto team was a shit load better than this Fulham team....

Super Madrid wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Could Mourinho have taken a club like Fulham and got them to the UEFA cup final, and doing it in style?

Who knows. Mourinho is the more successful, the more ruthless tactician,

but what Hodgson has done in terms of getting Fulham playing some brilliant football on a shoestring is quite remarkable.

Very different managers - Hodgson would come across very silly if he played up an arrogant streak like Mourinho. He's far to woveable

Mourinho proved in 2004 that he can take a club that isn't big compared to their competitors and take them far. That is more impressive then what Hodgson has done even if I like him and his very likeable side.

I think way too many have overreacted because of the game last night. You have to put in context. Inter has barely parked the bus except for that game and Inter wer a man down for much of it against Barcelona. Also while Fulham have certainly been impressive they too have been defensive when needed. Not that there is anything bad about that because they did what they needed to do.

you can't compare Porto to Fulham in terms of size, they are one of if not the biggest sides in a country - Fulham have come up through the divisions and are competing with all the other London sides for their youngsters. Mouinrho inherited a Porto team which had half the Portugal squad in it.

Royston Glennthe wrote:

Super Madrid wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Could Mourinho have taken a club like Fulham and got them to the UEFA cup final, and doing it in style?

Who knows. Mourinho is the more successful, the more ruthless tactician,

but what Hodgson has done in terms of getting Fulham playing some brilliant football on a shoestring is quite remarkable.

Very different managers - Hodgson would come across very silly if he played up an arrogant streak like Mourinho. He's far to woveable

Mourinho proved in 2004 that he can take a club that isn't big compared to their competitors and take them far. That is more impressive then what Hodgson has done even if I like him and his very likeable side.

I think way too many have overreacted because of the game last night. You have to put in context. Inter has barely parked the bus except for that game and Inter wer a man down for much of it against Barcelona. Also while Fulham have certainly been impressive they too have been defensive when needed. Not that there is anything bad about that because they did what they needed to do.

you can't compare Porto to Fulham in terms of size, they are one of if not the biggest sides in a country - Fulham have come up through the divisions and are competing with all the other London sides for their youngsters. Mouinrho inherited a Porto team which had half the Portugal squad in it.

That is not what I did. I compared Porto the top teams in their competition which is the best in Europe. I don't think the gap is much bigger between Fulham and the top of the middleclass in Europe then it was between Porto and the top of Europe. Also didn't several of those players become top players under Mourinho as well? I mean I didn't know much about Deco to be fair before that season even as they won the Uefa Cup. and their attacking line up with Derlei-Alberto wasn't big names either.

The only names to go on to top clubs were Deco to Barcelona and Mourinho taking Carvalho and Ferreira with him to Chelsea. Otherwise the rest have moved backwards to clubs of similar stature. So for me Mourinho taking this team that far is still great even if Fulham manages to win their final.

What makes Fulham's campaign special is that this is a club that has never made their mark in Europe and will probably not do so for a while. So I kind of hope they win it because Atletico can surely repeat this and might even manage it during the next 10 years.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Moratti had taken over a couple of years previously and they had already started spending the money bringing in some very good players like Zamorano, Winter and Djorkaeff.

Inter have reduced their spending over last 10 years, but they've started to spend again with Mourinho (though the sale of Ibra has helped that).

Don't misunderstand me Bobo - Inter were still a relatively strong side back then, but incomparable with the Inter Milan that Mourinho took over from Mancini who were already dominating Serie A. Hodgson took over a side who came 6th in Serie A, and by the time he left they had finished 3rd in the league and reached a UEFA cup final.


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Anyway, it seems someone has written a piece on the very subject of Mourinho V Hodgson:

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/comment/sport/football/roy-hodgson-the-really-special-one-$1375437.htm

Roy Hodgson: The Really Special One

In the last 48 hours we have seen two of the finest managers in the world guide their teams to the finals of the most prestigious cup competitions in European football. The contrasts between the way in which the pair went about achieving their success and subsequently celebrating it could not have been more striking and told us what we really knew all along – Special One? No thanks Jose, give us the humble genius that is Roy Hodgson any day.

In Barcelona on Wednesday Jose Mourinho got exactly what he wanted. His side Inter Milan seemingly overcame all the odds to triumph against the holders and progress into the Champions League final. The tie was the greatest result of his entire career, Mourinho told us after, a god-damn miracle only made possible by his Midas touch. In reality though Inter went into the semi-final on pretty much equal terms with Barcelona, both leading their domestic leagues and both hoping to record back-to-back titles.

Jose though doesn't like people to think his sides have a chance, he loves creating situations that portray them as the underdogs; if it's not the referee and his assistants, it's the cheating opposing players or the arrogant and offensive opposing fans who are against whoever he manages. He wants you to believe the whole world is out to get him and punish him for some apparent wrong he did in a previous life. He wants you to believe this so he can emerge afterwards with a grin the size of Cristiano Ronaldo's pay packet and go: "Look what I did. Look what I did! None of you gave us a chance, no-one ever gives us a chance, but we did it, we're the best. I'm the best!" It's all a bit boring now and in the past week the ego may have got just that bit too big - going from a beautiful arrogance to some sort of self-deluded martyrdom. His celebration at the final whistle was a case in point. What to do? Where to go? He ran around like a man possessed not sure who to antagonise first - so many people to confront, so many cameras watching. It must be tough believing you're the most important person in the universe.

Now compare all that with Mr Roy Hodgson. As the final whistle went at Craven Cottage on Thursday night, the 62-year-old calmly strolled out on to the pitch and made his way towards the dressing room, stopping only to console a few Hamburg players. No dramatics, no childish pleads for attention, just a great man taking himself out of the spotlight to allow his Fulham players and the club's owner Mohamed Al Fayed bask in their moment of glory after progressing to the final of the Europa League.

Hodgson's actions say so much about him as a man and a manger because if ever there was a night to celebrate a la Mourinho this was it. His success was so much greater than the Inter manager's and if he had decided to run out onto the pitch, rip off his shirt and start dancing around the corner flag no-one would have cared, he's earned that right now.

The transformation at Fulham under Hodgson's watch has been nothing short of miraculous. Teetering on the brink of relegation from the Premier League in December 2007, Hodgson guided the south London side to safety before embarking on the most fantastic run of success. The 2008-09 season saw Hodgson help consolidate Fulham's position in the league and secure a place in the playoffs for the following season's Europa League.

The next campaign then began in July 2009 with a third-qualifying round tie against FK Vetra of Lithuania and Fulham haven't looked back since. Along the way there have been truly sensational results, such as the win against Juventus when all hope seemed dead. And throughout this glorious journey, Hodgson has never once threatened to lose his head, lose his cool. Instead he has helped guide Fulham past every hurdle they have faced.

Well-known for his sound footballing mind, the Fulham boss is not one for the dramatics or the big shows, he goes about his business meticulously planning and leaving nothing to chance. Nothing is ever wasted. Volcanic ash disrupting travel plans for the first leg of the semi-final away in Germany represented no problem in his mind - he simply got his players to train on the side of the road when travelling across the continent.

Hodgson could have whinged and whined all week about the travel chaos like certain other managers did, but no, never rattled, never phased, he got on with it and so did his team battling out an important 0-0 draw, setting up the glorious return leg at Craven Cottage.

Speaking after the 2-1 victory on Thursday Hodgson told the waiting cameras, with the slightest of smile of his face, that he was "emotionally drained" from the experience. You'd never have guessed it.

Last night wasn't the place for drama queens though, it wasn't the time for hot-headed actions - it was the time for Roy Hodgson to cement his place in English football history. Rudyard Kipling one told us that if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs you'll be man my son. It seems Jose has still got a lot to learn then, Roy though, well he's just special.

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Hodgson in Italy is mainly remembered for two things:
- giving advice to greenlight the selling of young Roberto Carlos to Real because "he couldn't defend"
- being the one only coach ever which Javier Zanetti had a public raging with (when he was subbed at the end of the Uefa Cup final)

Apparently the whole squad revolted in the locker room after the final, which led to Hodgson resigning.


Hodgson looked like a quite strange dry humour characther during his tenure at Inter, but he was fun in the end.
I remember Fontolan being uber pissed with him, as he apparently kept approaching him during the training, pointing at Roberto Carlos and saying "Look at him, kid. If you train very hard you'll become as good as him with the ball one day". Fontolan was 31 at the time =D

In his second season he was unexplicably in love with Ciriaco Sforza, he boldly asked to buy him and kept playing him all the season despite bad performances, and having to play Winter and Ince off position to accomodate him.

Whatever, it is true anyway that he got a very decent 3rd spot in his second season, we never looked like real title conteders but we ended up just 6 points Lippi's Juve. It was the first decent placement of Moratti's era.
The squad was not top level but it wasn't shit, Djorkaeff, Ince, Zamorano, "El segna semper lü" Ganz, Winter... good ol' memories.

Pity for the Uefa cup, I think we should have won that, but we missed Djorkaeff and Ince in the away tie, and Shalke proved thougher than I expected in the home tie.

abundance wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:Hodgson got Inter to a UEFA cup final in a period when they weren't the big spending, Serie A dominating behemoth they are now.

Hodgson in Italy is mainly remembered for two things:
- giving advice to greenlight the selling of young Roberto Carlos to Real because "he couldn't defend"
- being the one only coach ever which Javier Zanetti had a public raging with (when he was subbed at the end of the Uefa Cup final)

Apparently the whole squad revolted in the locker room after the final, which led to Hodgson resigning.


Hodgson looked like a quite strange dry humour characther during his tenure at Inter, but he was fun in the end.
I remember Fontolan being uber pissed with him, as he apparently kept approaching him during the training, pointing at Roberto Carlos and saying "Look at him, kid. If you train very hard you'll become as good as him with the ball one day". Fontolan was 31 at the time =D

In his second season he was unexplicably in love with Ciriaco Sforza, he boldly asked to buy him and kept playing him all the season despite bad performances, and having to play Winter and Ince off position to accomodate him.

Whatever, it is true anyway that he got a very decent 3rd spot in his second season, we never looked like real title conteders but we ended up just 6 points Lippi's Juve. It was the first decent placement of Moratti's era.
The squad was not top level but it wasn't shit, Djorkaeff, Ince, Zamorano, "El segna semper lü" Ganz, Winter... good ol' memories.

Pity for the Uefa cup, I think we should have won that, but we missed Djorkaeff and Ince in the away tie, and Shalke proved thougher than I expected in the home tie.

A for the memories of a true Inter fan. I had completely forgotten that Carlos used to play for Inter.

Sforza - Hodgson relationship was clearly a bi-product of his time as Swiis manager.

Hodgson has not been a mitigated success throughout his career by any means - he didn't have a good time at Udinese or Blackburn, but some would argue he wasn't given enough time at either.

A few years after he was Inter coach, Mosca (on one of his shows) asked Hodgson why he sold Carlos and why he always preferred to play Pistone at LB. Seemed like he hit a nerve, Hodgson took off his headset and left! I assume it's quite rare to see Hodgson get angry like that in an interview, he comes across as a nice guy.

Noah and the Bale wrote:
A for the memories of a true Inter fan.

tbh I had to look up the serie A table on wikipedia...

that year anyway I got to San Siro for the first time, 3-1 to Monaco in the UEFA semis, what a feeling

Noah and the Bale wrote:
Sforza - Hodgson relationship was clearly a bi-product of his time as Swiis manager.

mmh yeah forgot about that bit

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:A few years after he was Inter coach, Mosca (on one of his shows) asked Hodgson why he sold Carlos and why he always preferred to play Pistone at LB. Seemed like he hit a nerve, Hodgson took off his headset and left! I assume it's quite rare to see Hodgson get angry like that in an interview, he comes across as a nice guy.

eheh I can understand him, that thing was a sort of mark on him down here, he couldn't go anywhere without being reminded and bugged about that.

It would be interesting to know for certain if it was really his decision - even if he never said that he opposed the transfer

Wasn't Sforza a bit of a looker?

Only you would ask that Tweedle

Yes!