For England fans - Who do you want to win the world cup now

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blutgraetsche wrote:Ever thought about the consequences for England of having those....erm...underachievers winning the cup? What will you swing then? A 44 year old rusty dick that no viagra in the world seems to fix?

This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

Noah and the Bale wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Ever thought about the consequences for England of having those....erm...underachievers winning the cup? What will you swing then? A 44 year old rusty dick that no viagra in the world seems to fix?

This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

What near misses have Spain had in the past? They havn't gone further than the quarter finals in 60 years.

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Ever thought about the consequences for England of having those....erm...underachievers winning the cup? What will you swing then? A 44 year old rusty dick that no viagra in the world seems to fix?

This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

What near misses have Spain had in the past? They havn't gone further than the quarter finals in 60 years.

I was actually referring to Holland with that comment, but Spain have played far better than their results have shown in previous World Cups. They also play much more attractive football than the likes of Italy and England, and have done so now for sometime.

Noah and the Bale wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Ever thought about the consequences for England of having those....erm...underachievers winning the cup? What will you swing then? A 44 year old rusty dick that no viagra in the world seems to fix?

This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

What near misses have Spain had in the past? They havn't gone further than the quarter finals in 60 years.

I was actually referring to Holland with that comment, but Spain have played far better than their results have shown in previous World Cups. They also play much more attractive football than the likes of Italy and England, and have done so now for sometime.

Even at this world cup, i havn't seen this attractive football of theirs.

I've only really seen Spain at 3 previous World Cup's, so hard to pass judgement. They're a good passing side but their balls seems to shrink come the KO stages.

Holland don't play good football they haven't since 2000.

Noah and the Bale wrote:
This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

It's not that it would 'reflect' on us, but the simple fact that we see us as a major footballing nation, a powerhouse, and hence the other powerhouses as competition. Why do Liverpool fans care that their rival Manchester United doesn't win more league titles than they have?

So from the German perspective, Holland or Spain winning the title would be a lot more 'acceptable' in the grand scheme of things, even if the former is the arch rival. For England however, I'm not sure at all if this should be the case. But maybe you have given up the competitive edge completely by now...

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Ever thought about the consequences for England of having those....erm...underachievers winning the cup? What will you swing then? A 44 year old rusty dick that no viagra in the world seems to fix?

This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

What near misses have Spain had in the past? They havn't gone further than the quarter finals in 60 years.

I was actually referring to Holland with that comment, but Spain have played far better than their results have shown in previous World Cups. They also play much more attractive football than the likes of Italy and England, and have done so now for sometime.

Even at this world cup, i havn't seen this attractive football of theirs.

I've only really seen Spain at 3 previous World Cup's, so hard to pass judgement. They're a good passing side but their balls seems to shrink come the KO stages.

I would be more impressed with Spain if they could play some of that football against a good side at an important stage.

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:Holland don't play good football they haven't since 2000.

They were great in 2000 and without a doubt the best Holland side I have seen allthough im limited since I didn't see WC98.

blutgraetsche wrote:

Noah and the Bale wrote:
This must be a German thing, worrying about how the success of others will reflect upon themselves. Otto made a similar comment about Brazil, that it would reflect badly on Germany because they would be 2 gold stars clear of the mannschaft!

I couldn't care less how it would reflect upon England if Spain or Holland were to win the World Cup - I think both are deserved of celebrating success, given the near misses in the past and that Germans, Brazilians and Argentinians have all had the opportunity to enjoy celebrating winning the biggest prize on Earth in relatively recent years

It's not that it would 'reflect' on us, but the simple fact that we see us as a major footballing nation, a powerhouse, and hence the other powerhouses as competition. Why do Liverpool fans care that their rival Manchester United doesn't win more league titles than they have?

So from the German perspective, Holland or Spain winning the title would be a lot more 'acceptable' in the grand scheme of things, even if the former is the arch rival. For England however, I'm not sure at all if this should be the case. But maybe you have given up the competitive edge completely by now...

So basically you're sayin that it would reflect badly on you

Germany's 3 world cup wins is not that much higher than England's 1 world cup win. It's not like one has won 30 and the other 10. There has only been 18 world cups so it is a tiny number to make any serious statistical analysis.

It's all relative. 300%, 3x as many, 7 WC finals instead of one, or just two more, plus two World Wars, don't mention the four, don't mention the other four either etc. etc..

If the last 44 years are anything to go by, I think we'll need to wait until 2932 to make a 'serious statistical analysis'.

So German fans are just like Liverpool fans. Weird.

Next time is your time

England have won more world cups than Germany. West Germany doesn't enter the competition anymore.

Or this time.

Liverpool was just an example to clarify my point.

Super Africa wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
Even at this world cup, i havn't seen this attractive football of theirs.

I've only really seen Spain at 3 previous World Cup's, so hard to pass judgement. They're a good passing side but their balls seems to shrink come the KO stages.

I would be more impressed with Spain if they could play some of that football against a good side at an important stage.

You need to recognise the flaw in this line of reasoning that you keep using.


First, "good side at an important stage" is not only very rare but also subjective...you can twist it to suit your agenda. For example, does beating Germany in a Euro final meet that criteria? I'm sure you have some explanation to argue that it doesn't. Also, how many of these instances actually happen before they change from one off cases to consistent data that we can analyse?


Second, it is normal that any side, whether they're good, great, or the best ever, will not look as good against another good team as they would against a shit team. Let's take Spain's passing game as an example, of course a side that is well organised defensively and takes less risks in attack due to it being a knockout tie, will stifle Spain's play and restrict their attacking moves. Do you see what I'm trying to say here?


And yes, I know Spain have played poorly this world cup. I'm not arguing against that, but making a general point about the line of argument you used, because far too many people conveniently mix their use of cause-and-effect to suit their particular football opinions.

Lusitan wrote:

debaser wrote:

Lusitan wrote:Brasil should get it. But i do have as soft spot for Germany. Anyone who can build such wonders as those BMW deserves my admiration

Are you an England fan then

nope, more of a "Or if your team is out" since you all don't rate us much and therefore assuming we're already out.

Not happy about it, but it's official now.

It's Brasil all the way. Just hope Dunga doesn't become a scared coward like CQ.

EM Seleção e Selecção wrote:Holland don't play good football they haven't since 2000.

They were pretty good 2 years ago - I thought they will be as boring as they are now there, but thanks to quality of their counter attacks, they were great to watch.

Also, don't forget Netherlands vs Czech Republic game from EC 2004, IMHO best game of that decade, difficult to criticise that team, at least for me, even if it's only because of that match.

Yeah i thought Holland were good in 2008 pretty awesome counter attacks and good to watch.

I'm for Argentina and that's nothing to do because they are playing Germany. Second would be Holland, third Ghana and fourth Spain

Spain or Holland

kas wrote:

Super Africa wrote:

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
Even at this world cup, i havn't seen this attractive football of theirs.

I've only really seen Spain at 3 previous World Cup's, so hard to pass judgement. They're a good passing side but their balls seems to shrink come the KO stages.

I would be more impressed with Spain if they could play some of that football against a good side at an important stage.

You need to recognise the flaw in this line of reasoning that you keep using.


First, "good side at an important stage" is not only very rare but also subjective...you can twist it to suit your agenda. For example, does beating Germany in a Euro final meet that criteria? I'm sure you have some explanation to argue that it doesn't. Also, how many of these instances actually happen before they change from one off cases to consistent data that we can analyse?


Second, it is normal that any side, whether they're good, great, or the best ever, will not look as good against another good team as they would against a shit team. Let's take Spain's passing game as an example, of course a side that is well organised defensively and takes less risks in attack due to it being a knockout tie, will stifle Spain's play and restrict their attacking moves. Do you see what I'm trying to say here?


And yes, I know Spain have played poorly this world cup. I'm not arguing against that, but making a general point about the line of argument you used, because far too many people conveniently mix their use of cause-and-effect to suit their particular football opinions.

I fully get your point and perhaps im raising the bar too high but to be honest im mostly saying it in reaction to the crazy standards that have been set by them by the media and my football friends who hype them to death. Against good organised teams they have been too easy to stifle and I do take into account that they are meeting good teams. The best example is Italy in Euro 08 which they couldn't even create a single big chance. I didn't rate Germany too highly in 08 but this time around they would certainly count.

Imo Spain hasn't played that well but definitely not poor either. Even by Spain's standards they haven't entertained that much. Thought they were good last night though.

I much prefered the Spain of 2002 and 2004 which was more about the wingers as well. The current side since 2006 has been too much about passing. Of course Spain doesn't have the luxury wingers they had back then in Joaquin and Vicente at the top of their game.

Argentina, but I am not an England fan.

Paraguay - what with the news that that Larissa Riquelme woman is going to streak naked if they win it

I'm a pervert, I'll admit it

Tweesus wrote:Paraguay - what with the news that that Larissa Riquelme woman is going to streak naked if they win it

I'm a pervert, I'll admit it

1. Ghana
2. Holland
3. Argentina

So you don't like naked women BM?

I don't want to endure Paraguay's gorilla shaped backline for another 3 games only to be inevitably let down by a hot woman.

Tweesus wrote:So you don't like naked women BM?

Do you?