The Next England Squad

Also, the fact that from schoolboy to youth system, the concept of moving the ball through midfield was obsolete.

Big, strong defender to a pacey striker.

Romford Pele wrote:

Also, the fact that from schoolboy to youth system, the concept of moving the ball through midfield was obsolete.

Big, strong defender to a pacey striker.

Exactly!

when I was coming up I was a winger/SS, who whilst nippy, didn't have explosive place, but I had good close control & dribbling and could see a pass. The few times I did get the ball when it came down to earth I got scoldings along the lines of this:

"What are you coming inside to make tippy-tappy passes for? Get down the line and whip it in!"

So, so shit.

Big 4 Billy Bollocks wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

debaser wrote:

Luis wrote:Explain to me without being a deluded idiot how Agbonlahor would be a better Internaional footballer than Bent.

He plays for a better club team; he is better at holding up the ball; is faster, stronger; has tendency to score against big clubs in the league; will be playing in Europe this season; has looked good in the small chances he has had for England; is younger; is more versatile and has a cooler name

Are you another person that thinks we should only pick players from the top 7 clubs?

Why not take issue with what he says rather than imputing a "billy big bollocks" attitude that he clearly doesn't have?

Defoe is a much better footballer than Bent. I've seen both in a Spurs shirt, I know who I'd rather have.

If Spurs management had done everything Kimbo has suggested over the last few years we'd be in League 1 by now.

Defoe is capable of being a better footballer than Bent, just like Owen is, but like Owen he spends the vast majority of the time doing fuck all.

And if i was incharge at Spurs I wouldn't have spent £18m on Bent OR £15m on Defoe.

Defoe gets no assists, spends a lot of his time offside, can't hold the ball up and doesn't defend. I don't see what else he offers the team besides goals?

12 goals in 43 caps doesn't suggest he's prolific either, especially when you look at the quality of opposition most of his goals have come against:

Poland
Andorra (4)
Trinidad & Tobago (2)
Kazakhstan
Netherlands (2)
Slovenia (2)

If Defoe, Agbonlahor or Bent are in contention for the national team then you're in the shit.

Defoe will always be too small to play right up top and not skillful or creative enough to play off the front man.

Bent is a good finisher with pace but a dismal footballer - Agbonlahor is just a runner, a complete non-footballer.

We're fucked.

Big 4 Billy Bollocks™ wrote:Bent is as fast as Gabby

Bent's fast, but you're having a laugh there!

Big 4 Billy Bollocks wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:

Also, the fact that from schoolboy to youth system, the concept of moving the ball through midfield was obsolete.

Big, strong defender to a pacey striker.

Exactly!

when I was coming up I was a winger/SS, who whilst nippy, didn't have explosive place, but I had good close control & dribbling and could see a pass. The few times I did get the ball when it came down to earth I got scoldings along the lines of this:

"What are you coming inside to make tippy-tappy passes for? Get down the line and whip it in!"

So, so shit.

You were the black Bentley!!!

For starters use 4 CM players forget about anything else other than learning to move the ball around the midfield effectively. We require players to create a method of footy for younger players to key into. then build from there.

Yep, we should play 3-6-1 v any half decent 3 man midfield and then we might compete in that area

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Yep, we should play 3-6-1 v any half decent 3 man midfield and then we might compete in that area

Need to move on with the game like Spain has.

The more players you have in a side with better ball, passing, Scoring will happen. The reason for less goal scoring comes from the fact players freeze through pressure..... Rooney....... lack of ability Heskey or a bad day....

Tweesus wrote:In defence, I suspect Capello will still opt for Terry and Ferdinand when fit. I think Jags and Cahill provide adequate replacement though, + they aren't twunts.

It depends on how well Terry has apologised to Capello re that press conference... Capello is notorious for not tolerating indiscipline, and he will not risk anybody disrupting the tournament again... chances are Terry (and any other player who may have privately agreed with Terry) will not play for England under Capello again.

bluenine wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In defence, I suspect Capello will still opt for Terry and Ferdinand when fit. I think Jags and Cahill provide adequate replacement though, + they aren't twunts.

It depends on how well Terry has apologised to Capello re that press conference... Capello is notorious for not tolerating indiscipline, and he will not risk anybody disrupting the tournament again... chances are Terry (and any other player who may have privately agreed with Terry) will not play for England under Capello again.

You still believe this "Don" Fabio stuff?

Kimbo wrote:

bluenine wrote:

Tweesus wrote:In defence, I suspect Capello will still opt for Terry and Ferdinand when fit. I think Jags and Cahill provide adequate replacement though, + they aren't twunts.

It depends on how well Terry has apologised to Capello re that press conference... Capello is notorious for not tolerating indiscipline, and he will not risk anybody disrupting the tournament again... chances are Terry (and any other player who may have privately agreed with Terry) will not play for England under Capello again.

You still believe this "Don" Fabio stuff?

Yes. I have seen it happen for like 20 years. Maybe he has grown softer these days in a different country, but it is still Don Fabio.

Capello's lost much of his "control" over players. Apparently the whole index thing was released against his will. And even then, Terry was ranked the highest of the defenders on it.

Terry won't apologise, Terry will (rightly or wrongly) still get picked. The players aren't scared of Capello's threats anymore. They realised that it's still basically the same team in the McClaren era.

S4P wrote:Capello's lost much of his "control" over players. Apparently the whole index thing was released against his will. And even then, Terry was ranked the highest of the defenders on it.

Terry won't apologise, Terry will (rightly or wrongly) still get picked. The players aren't scared of Capello's threats anymore. They realised that it's still basically the same team in the McClaren era.

In that case if they will not respect him what is stopping Capello from picking a whole bunch of new players.

The fact that Capello doesn't have the bottle to drop the 'superstars' is what's stopping him. This was all too evident in the Slovenia game, where the only players he dropped included the one most fans were crying out for to be dropped (Heskey) and another who wasn't a superstar name (Lennon), and not dropping the underperforming 'stars' like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, who were among the worst performers in the team.

You don't seriously believe his "no one is safe" threat, do you?

The index thing is being mis-interpreted though (which is quite inevitable and the main reason the FA wanted to stop it). From what I understand, Capello merely set down the criteria by which players should be judged, not the actual player ratings.

For example, a defender gets 1 point for every tackle he makes. Or a striker gets one point for every shot on target. So I don't think Capello had any direct say in what the actual players in the rankings would be.

But of course it doesn't stop the tabloids from deliberately "misunderstanding" it so that they have stories to write.

S4P wrote:The fact that Capello doesn't have the bottle to drop the 'superstars' is what's stopping him. This was all too evident in the Slovenia game, where the only players he dropped included the one most fans were crying out for to be dropped (Heskey) and another who wasn't a superstar name (Lennon), and not dropping the underperforming 'stars' like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, who were among the worst performers in the team.

You don't seriously believe his "no one is safe" threat, do you?

You have to be a bit sensible about these things though. This isn't something specific to Capello...almost no manager in the world will drop any key players from the spine of his team in the middle of a tournament, unless they are injured or in such bad form that there's no other choice. And it's not like England had great alternatives off the bench either. Drop Lampard and Gerrard and you would have been dangerously close to Carrick getting on the pitch.

Yeah it's been totally retarded how it's been reported. They are trying to make people believe Capello gave all these ratings himself.

S4P wrote:The fact that Capello doesn't have the bottle to drop the 'superstars' is what's stopping him. This was all too evident in the Slovenia game, where the only players he dropped included the one most fans were crying out for to be dropped (Heskey) and another who wasn't a superstar name (Lennon), and not dropping the underperforming 'stars' like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, who were among the worst performers in the team.

You don't seriously believe his "no one is safe" threat, do you?

Then this is a new guy, not the Don Fabio we knew for so long... coz Capello could drop ANYONE. He was the coach who benched Del Piero at Juventus for a whole season, thats like benching Rooney for England...

On the other hand, he would not drop "stars" midway thru a World Cup... that could de-stablise the team, and compromise his objectives... after the world cup is another matter entirely.

I guess we will soon see if its the same old "Don Fabio" or has his spine really been broken as you guys suggest....

S4P wrote:The fact that Capello doesn't have the bottle to drop the 'superstars' is what's stopping him. This was all too evident in the Slovenia game, where the only players he dropped included the one most fans were crying out for to be dropped (Heskey) and another who wasn't a superstar name (Lennon), and not dropping the underperforming 'stars' like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, who were among the worst performers in the team.

You don't seriously believe his "no one is safe" threat, do you?

I have not been following the media in the UK since the WC finished other than what is on the BBC.

After doing really bad at the tournament he has to make amends. You think then by publicly coming out with this statement and showing to everyone(media,fans) he is the same man in charge. Then sucking up to the players
this will be his answer?

bluenine wrote:

S4P wrote:The fact that Capello doesn't have the bottle to drop the 'superstars' is what's stopping him. This was all too evident in the Slovenia game, where the only players he dropped included the one most fans were crying out for to be dropped (Heskey) and another who wasn't a superstar name (Lennon), and not dropping the underperforming 'stars' like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, who were among the worst performers in the team.

You don't seriously believe his "no one is safe" threat, do you?

Then this is a new guy, not the Don Fabio we knew for so long... coz Capello could drop ANYONE. He was the coach who benched Del Piero at Juventus for a whole season, thats like benching Rooney for England...

On the other hand, he would not drop "stars" midway thru a World Cup... that could de-stablise the team, and compromise his objectives... after the world cup is another matter entirely.

I guess we will soon see if its the same old "Don Fabio" or has his spine really been broken as you guys suggest....

I would love to see a clean out at least it would help the next Coach coming in pursuing a new fresh start.

I have a question - who did he replace Del Piero with? It's well and good dropping a star to make a point, but the replacement should be up to scratch. Was the gap between Del Piero and his replacement as large as the gap between Rooney and his possible replacements? (Crouch, Defoe, Agbonlahor, etc.)


Also, Rooney served Capello well during the qualification. It's not as if he'd been playing consistently bad for a long time. If that was the case, he would definitely be dropped.

kas wrote:I have a question - who did he replace Del Piero with? It's well and good dropping a star to make a point, but the replacement should be up to scratch. Was the gap between Del Piero and his replacement as large as the gap between Rooney and his possible replacements? (Crouch, Defoe, Agbonlahor, etc.)


Also, Rooney served Capello well during the qualification. It's not as if he'd been playing consistently bad for a long time. If that was the case, he would definitely be dropped.

He dropped him for Zlatan it's not really comparable at all

Gone past wanting to win with a bunch of wankers Terry needs to clear out of the squad.

Brian2468 wrote:

bluenine wrote:

S4P wrote:The fact that Capello doesn't have the bottle to drop the 'superstars' is what's stopping him. This was all too evident in the Slovenia game, where the only players he dropped included the one most fans were crying out for to be dropped (Heskey) and another who wasn't a superstar name (Lennon), and not dropping the underperforming 'stars' like Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney, who were among the worst performers in the team.

You don't seriously believe his "no one is safe" threat, do you?

Then this is a new guy, not the Don Fabio we knew for so long... coz Capello could drop ANYONE. He was the coach who benched Del Piero at Juventus for a whole season, thats like benching Rooney for England...

On the other hand, he would not drop "stars" midway thru a World Cup... that could de-stablise the team, and compromise his objectives... after the world cup is another matter entirely.

I guess we will soon see if its the same old "Don Fabio" or has his spine really been broken as you guys suggest....

I would love to see a clean out at least it would help the next Coach coming in pursuing a new fresh start.

I doubt there will be a "clean out", and thats definately not what I am suggesting... Capello is perhaps not the best coach for a revolution.

I am just saying that he has the bottle to drop anyone if he thinks they will destablise the team or if they don't fit in his tactics. Or at least thats how he used to be in the past....

kas wrote:I have a question - who did he replace Del Piero with? It's well and good dropping a star to make a point, but the replacement should be up to scratch. Was the gap between Del Piero and his replacement as large as the gap between Rooney and his possible replacements? (Crouch, Defoe, Agbonlahor, etc.)

Also, Rooney served Capello well during the qualification. It's not as if he'd been playing consistently bad for a long time. If that was the case, he would definitely be dropped.

Kas, what you are saying is completely besides the point. I am just giving an example of Capello having the "bottle of to drop the superstars" from the team in the past.... dropping Del Piero from Juve was like dropping Zanetti from Inter or Totti for Roma, or Rooney from England - ie dropping the superstar. That was the question that S4P raised, whether he has the bottle. Of course I am not at all suggesting that Rooney or Zanetti or Totti should be or would be dropped, or whether it would make any sense to do so... and none of them are the same situation, we all know that.... but the fan outrage will be similar, and it takes similar balls too do drop the superstar from the team.

Good lord, you really know how to twist an arguement...

Yeah, but it's easier to drop a superstar, when you won't have a such a big drop in quality after replacing him, in comparison to situation when Rooney would be dropped for England. So Kas question about a player who replaced Del Piero makes sense, at least for me.

One thing is ability to "mess" with star players, but other one is to replace them properly.

Dropping Del Piero in his 30's for Zlatan or dropping England's best player in the best form of his career at 24 when nothing but Defoe or Crouch to replace him...yeah it's identical stuff bluenine

stinger wrote:Yeah, but it's easier to drop a superstar, when you won't have a such a big drop in quality after replacing him, in comparison to situation when Rooney would be dropped for England. So Kas question about a player who replaced Del Piero makes sense, at least for me.

One thing is ability to "mess" with star players, but other one is to replace them properly.

From a replacement/performance point of view, yes. From a fan outrage / "having the bottle" point of view, it is similar.
Like I clarified, I am only talking from the later point of view. Its just an analogy, obviously not exact. You can never compare club with country "exactly", coz clubs can buy anyone and country's cannot (tho some do try ).

Anyways, we are talking about whether Capello has the bottle to drop the likes of Terry... if he had the balls to drop Del Piero from Juve, he could still ve balls to drop Terry from England...