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they bring more brain and possession into the game, a player like poldi is useless against a side like spain, i would have prefered kroos


i agree spain/barcelona (especially there players) are the benchmark and dominating deserved world football, but right behind are the german players and team, and in the not so distant future we will overcome them

Ach was, it seems to be mostly a difference of perspective and I don't see the gulf in class that you guys seem to (once you demolish the Bayern/Deutschland comparison, rip CL semi-finalists Lyon to shreds, etc etc). I don't see the need to apologize for being smarter or mentally stronger at international level, and just don't agree that teams that pull it off only do so because of the ineptness of others. Last night's (Spurs) game was a fantastic game of football for instance, but in technical, tactical and qualitative terms left a lot to be desired, Liverpool-Arsenal and Spurs-City at the weekend hardly constituted an intimidating rebuke to the level of international football either.

Bernd, you're still on the wind-up, so fair enough; I've never been in the business of claiming superiority à la the humiliation and domination crowd, but I'll say this:

- germany have the players to beat any club side this is possible
- against serbia we (Germany) looked like the better team with 10 men undeniably true; a defeat we undoubtedly have only ourselves to blame for, but a game that would have been won were it not for the laughable red card and Lukas's reprehensible finishing
- germanys midfield is WC which can competete with the best club sides in the world well Bastian, Sami and Özil were the disco, so fuck off
- there is possibly one player in the whole epl who would fit into the german midfield thats essien when hes not injured who could possibly demur. Cesc is OK I guess[/]

Erm...

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Germany didn't win the World Cup [b]nonsense
- were beaten comfortably by a Spanish side who hadn't even made it out of 3rd gear, and whose Barcelona (club) midfield dominated the supposed WC German midfield for 90 minutes well typical English rubbishing the opposition again. In that case they didn't get out of 3rd gear against anyone, so should have won the tournament at more of a canter than they did. From the German perspective it was disappointing that the approach was so timid and respectful, and that Müller was unjustly banned. Had those things been different so might the game have been, though as it was we were well beaten and if you've noticed (though I agree that Spain are a bit dull too these days) I have never disputed their excellence and the credit that four 1-0 knockout wins deserves. Even if it was I who irritably smashed down Özil's laughable assertion that this lot would have destroyed the France '98 side.
- lost twice during the tournamentwhen? I don't remember this

Ah yes, and it is true Lampard scored a lovely goal against ze Germans. That was awesome

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Litti: I should really make this point on the RM thread instead where you scoff at the Madriders buying into the hype, but quite why you are determined to make yourself ridiculous in this fashion I still don't understand. I've mocked Arne "Banane" over the years as much as anyone but he displayed "WC" form in that tournament; while I'm amused at Khedira's meteoric rise, he certainly deserves the praise and probably the move, and if you're insistent that Mesut isn't a special player, you're making yourself look a fool. Chins.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Yeah, the EPL big 4 would kill to get their hands on Friedrich, Podolski and Klose

Owned.

Narrow escape you had there with Özil mate

L r dd wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Yeah, the EPL big 4 would kill to get their hands on Friedrich, Podolski and Klose

Owned.

self owned me thinks !!

all three showed that they are class, only because they dont fit into club system or play in shit clubs means not that are not better than a berbatov, kalou, bendtner, walcott, lennon, Koscielny, clichy, ngog, babel, bebe, brown,

you see the top4 filled with average personal


tell me one thing, has england a single defender who can play as fullback and centreback, friedrich can, most of our defenders can

when ashely cole would play as centre back or terry as fullback, that is really not to imagine

englands have a lot of work to do, there players far to onesided skilled

think about it

What the hell do you know about Koscielny and Bebe?

Talking of Friedrich, Podolski and Klose, they scored seven goals between them at the World Cup.

How many did Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Kaka, Anelka... manage again?

Kroos wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Yeah, the EPL big 4 would kill to get their hands on Friedrich, Podolski and Klose

Owned.

self owned me thinks !!

all three showed that they are class, only because they dont fit into club system or play in shit clubs means not that are not better than a berbatov, kalou, bendtner, walcott, lennon, Koscielny, clichy, ngog, babel, bebe, brown,

you see the top4 filled with average personal


tell me one thing, has england a single defender who can play as fullback and centreback,

Yes

Wes Brown? Jamie Carragher?

Richards, Onuoha..Mancienne as well actually, pretty sure he played at full back for a while.

Lescott, S.Taylor, Richards, Onuoha

Allez les rouges wrote:Talking of Friedrich, Podolski and Klose, they scored seven goals between them at the World Cup.

How many did Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Kaka, Anelka... manage again?

How many games did Podolski and Klose play in the season before? How well did they do for their clubs?

Talk was about Podolski not looking particularly bothered about even training for his club, the others didn't have this luxury. These guys may be good players, but why can't they show it week in week out? Why should we believe the World Cup is more representative of their quality when it consisted of only 7 games compared to the ~50 the other players are being judged by?

Those two are a special case Six and frankly deserve their own thread.

I like lots of other fans thought Klose was finished – it can only say something for Jogi I guess that once he got him fully fit and back in the WC surroundings he seemed transformed, as if shot back four years in time. It truly is astonishing (3 goals for his club all season or whatever it was and then 4 in 5 games). But no, you don't sniff at an international record of 52 goals.

Podolski has been an embarrassment at club level since he first left Köln after the World Cup in 2006. Even more than Klose he seems to need to feel the love in every sporting context and even more extraordinarily seems to ALWAYS do his stuff at international level even when coming from a basis of no club form whatever. At least Klose has had his international troughs to coincide with his periods of general poor form and not scoring. Poldi I can't think of a similar parallel, not Michael Owen, not anyone, who has been such a purely international player. (40 goals in 79 games at the age of 25...) It ain't just because he's shown up at club level, because he's done sod-all by comparison even when he ought to be a relatively big fish at Köln.

(By the way I'm not sure about stats but Klose for instance was still on 49 games or so – presumably including sub appearances. Obviously sufficiently few that these guys were never likely to be burnt out...)

You have to understand that for most if not all German fans it was a big surprise and an amusing irony that the first goals at the World Cup were scored by those two – again (even if they had topped the scorer lists in qualifying). I don't think anyone saw the recovery in form coming to quite that extent. With Müller, Khedira, Schweinsteiger, Özil and so on you can't really separate the WC form from their club condition, even if in the case of Müller in particular he seemed to take it to another level again (proving for one thing that it didn't matter that he was being played what seemed "out of position").

Podolski = David Healy

have another guess

Nah that guess is spot on so I wont bother.

You asked for a player who is shit but performs at international level..David Healy is your man. A joke of a player who somehow has about 35 goal for his (shit) national team.

Retarded phrases like "Podolski is shit" are kinda the problem with you guys here m'dear

Allez les rouges wrote:Ach was, it seems to be mostly a difference of perspective and I don't see the gulf in class that you guys seem to (once you demolish the Bayern/Deutschland comparison, rip CL semi-finalists Lyon to shreds, etc etc). I don't see the need to apologize for being smarter or mentally stronger at international level, and just don't agree that teams that pull it off only do so because of the ineptness of others. Last night's (Spurs) game was a fantastic game of football for instance, but in technical, tactical and qualitative terms left a lot to be desired, Liverpool-Arsenal and Spurs-City at the weekend hardly constituted an intimidating rebuke to the level of international football either.

Bernd, you're still on the wind-up, so fair enough; I've never been in the business of claiming superiority à la the humiliation and domination crowd, but I'll say this:

- germany have the players to beat any club side this is possible
- against serbia we (Germany) looked like the better team with 10 men undeniably true; a defeat we undoubtedly have only ourselves to blame for, but a game that would have been won were it not for the laughable red card and Lukas's reprehensible finishing
- germanys midfield is WC which can competete with the best club sides in the world well Bastian, Sami and Özil were the disco, so fuck off
- there is possibly one player in the whole epl who would fit into the german midfield thats essien when hes not injured who could possibly demur. Cesc is OK I guess[/]

Erm...

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Germany didn't win the World Cup [b]nonsense
- were beaten comfortably by a Spanish side who hadn't even made it out of 3rd gear, and whose Barcelona (club) midfield dominated the supposed WC German midfield for 90 minutes well typical English rubbishing the opposition again. In that case they didn't get out of 3rd gear against anyone, so should have won the tournament at more of a canter than they did. From the German perspective it was disappointing that the approach was so timid and respectful, and that Müller was unjustly banned. Had those things been different so might the game have been, though as it was we were well beaten and if you've noticed (though I agree that Spain are a bit dull too these days) I have never disputed their excellence and the credit that four 1-0 knockout wins deserves. Even if it was I who irritably smashed down Özil's laughable assertion that this lot would have destroyed the France '98 side.
- lost twice during the tournamentwhen? I don't remember this

Ah yes, and it is true Lampard scored a lovely goal against ze Germans. That was awesome

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You must be smoking something Allez! Maybe it's the same hysteria that Ozil has succumbed to from too many reruns of Mannshaft former glories.

- germany have the players to beat any club side this is possible Only if the entire Barcelona team contracted bum aids and dies overnight
- against serbia we (Germany) looked like the better team with 10 men undeniably true; a defeat we undoubtedly have only ourselves to blame for, but a game that would have been won were it not for the laughable red card and Lukas's reprehensible finishing Rubbishing of opponents? If we were less shit and Lampard's goal had gone in, we would have undeniably beaten Germany too
- germanys midfield is WC which can competete with the best club sides in the world well Bastian, Sami and Özil were the disco, so fuck offBastian - yes, Ozil and Sami - let's be moderately more German (ie sensible) about this and give them another few years to prove it hey.
- there is possibly one player in the whole epl who would fit into the german midfield thats essien when hes not injured who could possibly demur. Cesc is OK I guess[/]How very English to make player V player comparisons, but ok - Essien, Cesc, Modric, Malouda, Gerrard, Huddlestone, Joe Cole, Valencia, Hargreaves are all good enough

Germany didn't win the World Cup [b]nonsense No, they really didn't. Adopting a North Korean approach here isn't very sensible, otherwise Lowe and Co. would be sentenced to 6 months hard labour
- were beaten comfortably by a Spanish side who hadn't even made it out of 3rd gear, and whose Barcelona (club) midfield dominated the supposed WC German midfield for 90 minutes well typical English rubbishing the opposition again. In that case they didn't get out of 3rd gear against anyone, so should have won the tournament at more of a canter than they did. From the German perspective it was disappointing that the approach was so timid and respectful, and that Müller was unjustly banned. Had those things been different so might the game have been, though as it was we were well beaten and if you've noticed (though I agree that Spain are a bit dull too these days) I have never disputed their excellence and the credit that four 1-0 knockout wins deserves. Even if it was I who irritably smashed down Özil's laughable assertion that this lot would have destroyed the France '98 side. Not rubbishing Spain at all, merely pointing out they played well within their means and still beat all comers. Which means Germany are still some way off their level, despite what the media think
- lost twice during the tournamentwhen? I don't remember this Like you don't remember Lampard's goal?

Oh, and "Last night's (Spurs) game was a fantastic game of football for instance, but in technical, tactical and qualitative terms left a lot to be desired", and also the veiled rubbishing Spurs' performance against Man City - if you struggled to see any technical quality to the way Spurs play, you must be pulling my leg. Because defensive/tactical ineptness aside in the first 25 minutes against Young Boys, our style of football is about playing short passes, employing traditional wingers, using width, breaking quickly - it's not dissimilar to how Germany play. No hoofing. Good football on the eye. Just like we produced to beat Arsenal at White Hart Lane last season. Wink wink

I never said the Spuuuuurrrrrsssss don't play decent football Berndchen, just that like England you never let us down

I think you're missing the point somewhat with most of the rest. Young Sami and Mesut have no need to apologize for forming a top-quality midfield at the first attempt! Just because I credit them with that doesn't mean I'm hyping them as the best in the world – indeed I think half the time you're confusing me with Özil/Kroos. I should have kept Klose's sending-off separate as my point was that Germany did well against Serbia and were the better team with ten men – Lukas should have finished them off any number of times but failed to.

And yes it was a lovely goal from sexy Frankie, didn't I say that. I really don't see what all the stress is about. Chins

I don't see a bit difference in views, as you often, you being relatively sensible and all that, but there clearly is a difference of perspective. I mean I don't want half of those PL players you mention anywhere near the German team, really (the second half, basically), not that it was me who started rubbihing EPL midfielders.

Is that Brit in the Spud shirt? How have you photoshopped that you c**t

Six wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:Talking of Friedrich, Podolski and Klose, they scored seven goals between them at the World Cup.

How many did Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Kaka, Anelka... manage again?

How many games did Podolski and Klose play in the season before? How well did they do for their clubs?

Talk was about Podolski not looking particularly bothered about even training for his club, the others didn't have this luxury. These guys may be good players, but why can't they show it week in week out? Why should we believe the World Cup is more representative of their quality when it consisted of only 7 games compared to the ~50 the other players are being judged by?

because each and every time the WC cups along most of the posters and this forum and fans and footballer writers around the world, hail the players that they believed were the best at the WC as being the best in the world and give on of those players the Golden ball.

Thus saying whatever you do for those 7 matches is greater than whatever you did over the entire season, thats why.

Messiah wrote:

Six wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:Talking of Friedrich, Podolski and Klose, they scored seven goals between them at the World Cup.

How many did Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Kaka, Anelka... manage again?

How many games did Podolski and Klose play in the season before? How well did they do for their clubs?

Talk was about Podolski not looking particularly bothered about even training for his club, the others didn't have this luxury. These guys may be good players, but why can't they show it week in week out? Why should we believe the World Cup is more representative of their quality when it consisted of only 7 games compared to the ~50 the other players are being judged by?

because each and every time the WC cups along most of the posters and this forum and fans and footballer writers around the world, hail the players that they believed were the best at the WC as being the best in the world and give on of those players the Golden ball.

Thus saying whatever you do for those 7 matches is greater than whatever you did over the entire season, thats why.

Podolski was shite in most of the world cup games i saw him in anyways

no he wasn't, he wasn't great, but he most certainly wasn't shit

His performances v Ghana and Serbia were two of the worst in the whole tournament by anybody.

still better than all of the english player combine

Allez les rouges wrote:Is that Brit in the Spud shirt? How have you photoshopped that you c**t

H'apparently she has English ancestry hailing from Tottenham area:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1054355/Britney-Spears---Spurs-archives-reveal-great-grandparents-lived-sin-Tottenham.html

tabloids

Regarding Spurs - people alwys going on about us choking. They said we'd choke 4th place, we didn't. Tuesday night we did choke for half an hour, but hardly chokers for pulling it back to 3-2. So obviously, Arsenal fans and Kimbo will be hoping we choke at home in the return leg.

Don't hold your breath - it's been easy to look down your nose at us for long periods of recent history, but in reality we are one of the better footballing sides in the league despite not breaking our wage cap or footballing principles in search of success. We have benefitted from spending money, but we're also a selling club, so to have held together a decent aquad without being able to offer megabucks in wages is a credit to our manager and chairman. Infact, not a million miles different from another North London club, who won exactly the same number of European Cups as us - 0, and no silverware in the last 5 years, so pipe down those of you in the cheap seats

Kimbo is a nasty pasty!

I have a conundrum, Young Boys smashing Spurs backdoors in on ITV1, or Accrington vs Newcastle on sky?

Kimbo wrote:Kimbo is a nasty pasty!

I have a conundrum, Young Boys smashing Spurs backdoors in on ITV1, or Accrington vs Newcastle on sky?

Depends which gives you more satisfaction - watching Spurs potentially lose, or Newcastle potentially win. I know, it's tough for Kimbo

Noah and the Bale wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Kimbo is a nasty pasty!

I have a conundrum, Young Boys smashing Spurs backdoors in on ITV1, or Accrington vs Newcastle on sky?

Depends which gives you more satisfaction - watching Spurs potentially lose, or Newcastle potentially win. I know, it's tough for Kimbo

I've got to be honest, a texaco milk cup tie against Accrington doesn't get my blood pumping as much, but i would rather both Newcastle and Spurs win than them both lose. If we lose it will be brought up every year for the next century like the Hereford FA Cup game that gets a mention in EVERY broadcast involving a lower league club.

Anyway, come on you Young boys and Scott Sutter!

Messiah wrote:

Six wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:Talking of Friedrich, Podolski and Klose, they scored seven goals between them at the World Cup.

How many did Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Kaka, Anelka... manage again?

How many games did Podolski and Klose play in the season before? How well did they do for their clubs?

Talk was about Podolski not looking particularly bothered about even training for his club, the others didn't have this luxury. These guys may be good players, but why can't they show it week in week out? Why should we believe the World Cup is more representative of their quality when it consisted of only 7 games compared to the ~50 the other players are being judged by?

because each and every time the WC cups along most of the posters and this forum and fans and footballer writers around the world, hail the players that they believed were the best at the WC as being the best in the world and give on of those players the Golden ball.

Thus saying whatever you do for those 7 matches is greater than whatever you did over the entire season, thats why.

I don't see anyone saying diego forlan is the best player in the world, just the best player at the world cup. Was forlan even in contention for la liga's player of the season?