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    Post by Luis Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:04 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Luis wrote:There are links with us and Suarez and N'Zogbia now.

    This Suarez deal has dragged out so long that it will either definitely happen this week or will go right down to the deadline with Andy Burton pissing his pants in the Sky studio.

    There were conflicting reports that we'd agreed to take Warnock back on loan which would obviously negate the Zog rumours.

    Really though, no one has a clue what's going on.

    Zog isn't really a left back. He'd be played LW if you bought him, surely.

    Hope you do take Warnock off us. You should really, as you are responsible for inflicting him on this league.

    I don't see what the need would be for Warnock when we have Aurellio, Wilson, Johnson and if worst comes to worse N'zog could fill in there if he did sign.

    Warnock isn't that bad. He's a good tackler and solid enough but there's no real need to sign him unless Johnson suddenly got a long-term injury as we know Aurelio can't play more than 1 game in 2 months.

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    Post by debaser Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:14 pm

    Warnock is anything but solid. He is a liability, tends to jump into tackles and completely fuck it up.

    There is a reason we are playing Ciaran Clark out of position rather than him the last few weeks - and a reason form has improved since we started doing so!
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    Post by Kimbo Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:26 pm

    Bashmachkin wrote:There seems a recurring suggestion that we will look to sign Stephen Ireland at some point before the close of the transfer window. He looked like a talented player a few seasons ago for Manchester City, but I really thought he'd show something for Aston Villa after moving there in the summer and instead he has failed and been dropped from their side for lacking effort. I'm not sure that I want him even for a small fee.

    I think that, in the long term, we have the players to play well in a 4-5-1 formation. With Carroll, Ben Arfa and Tiote we have a strong spine from the midfield to the attack; we could play Guthrie or Barton alongside Tiote behind a three of Ben Arfa, Gutierrez plus a new signing, with Carroll up front. Ireland could fit in that side if we played him centrally and moved Ben Arfa to the right. However, that entails us actually using that formation and dropping Nolan and potentially Barton, or at least moving him from his right-midfield position (I think in this way one issue with our current side is that, to progress, we may have to replace some of the players who have been at the centre of the club for the past couple of seasons; players like Nolan and Smith who, however they contribute on the pitch, are deemed central to the spirit within the squad). I don't think Pardew will soon drop Nolan from the side and I think Barton is best suited to his right-sided role; and even if we did play in the way I suggest, still I'm not sure Ireland would be the ideal signing for that system. I don't think there's much point in us signing him for a central midfield role: he doesn't seem like a central midfielder, and using him there would hamper Guthrie's development, whilst we also have Barton, Nolan and Gosling who can compete for places in that area of the pitch.

    I don't want him, and i don't want to play 4-5-1. My impression of Ireland is that he is basically another Nolan, and clearly we can't drop Nolan for this guy, so in my team he would end up as an expensive benchwarmer. In terms of the 1st team I think we've got a system that works at the moment and it only needs tweaking, the main tweak obviously being a new striker, it's worrying that we aren't being linked to any. We have money for back up midfielders but not a first team striker, in the last two games we've created a bucket of chances but no one has been able to finish.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:03 pm

    As Lu eluded to, there is no point in us signing(load) him. I'd be disappointed in a load deal. His form has nose dived since his move to Villa.

    Zog would be on the LW for us , I'd hope.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:02 pm

    Kakuta having medical at Fulham, loan deal.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:13 pm

    Luis wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    Luis wrote:There are links with us and Suarez and N'Zogbia now.

    This Suarez deal has dragged out so long that it will either definitely happen this week or will go right down to the deadline with Andy Burton pissing his pants in the Sky studio.

    There were conflicting reports that we'd agreed to take Warnock back on loan which would obviously negate the Zog rumours.

    Really though, no one has a clue what's going on.

    Zog isn't really a left back. He'd be played LW if you bought him, surely.

    Hope you do take Warnock off us. You should really, as you are responsible for inflicting him on this league.



    I don't see what the need would be for Warnock when we have Aurellio, Wilson, Johnson and if worst comes to worse N'zog could fill in there if he did sign.

    Warnock isn't that bad. He's a good tackler and solid enough but there's no real need to sign him unless Johnson suddenly got a long-term injury as we know Aurelio can't play more than 1 game in 2 months.


    Aurelio is a crock, Wilson is a centre back, Johnson is a right back. That's where the need for Warnock comes from.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:30 pm

    Glenn Elias Hysén wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    debaser wrote:
    Luis wrote:There are links with us and Suarez and N'Zogbia now.

    This Suarez deal has dragged out so long that it will either definitely happen this week or will go right down to the deadline with Andy Burton pissing his pants in the Sky studio.

    There were conflicting reports that we'd agreed to take Warnock back on loan which would obviously negate the Zog rumours.

    Really though, no one has a clue what's going on.

    Zog isn't really a left back. He'd be played LW if you bought him, surely.

    Hope you do take Warnock off us. You should really, as you are responsible for inflicting him on this league.



    I don't see what the need would be for Warnock when we have Aurellio, Wilson, Johnson and if worst comes to worse N'zog could fill in there if he did sign.

    Warnock isn't that bad. He's a good tackler and solid enough but there's no real need to sign him unless Johnson suddenly got a long-term injury as we know Aurelio can't play more than 1 game in 2 months.


    Aurelio is a crock, Wilson is a centre back, Johnson is a right back. That's where the need for Warnock comes from.

    Johnson's been converted to left back under Dalglish if you've noticed <Ale> He's done well there in the last two games as well.

    Aurellio is a crock but can play once or twice a month I'm sure...

    Wilson can also play left back can't he? I'm sure I've read that about him.

    I feel we have enough cover until the summer (if we get really desperate we can even play PFK). Signing a player who was never that good for us back when he is older and has had a tough time at Villa just for a few months doesn't make any sense to me.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:44 pm

    playing at left back out of desperation isn't quite the same as being converted to left back, it's by no means a long term solution. Wilson is left footed and said in interview pre season that he would be prepared to play there if it meant getting into the team. He played centre back vs Northampton IIRC with Agger at left back.

    I would rather have Warnock than no one, he knows the club, he knows the players. Just because he's had a rough few months at Villa doesn't mean he's finished.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:53 pm

    Glenn Elias Hysén wrote:playing at left back out of desperation isn't quite the same as being converted to left back, it's by no means a long term solution. Wilson is left footed and said in interview pre season that he would be prepared to play there if it meant getting into the team. He played centre back vs Northampton IIRC with Agger at left back.

    I would rather have Warnock than no one, he knows the club, he knows the players. Just because he's had a rough few months at Villa doesn't mean he's finished.

    Who said it was a long term solution? I said until the end of the season we have 3 or 4 defenders that could all play left back and do a decent job. In the summer the time will be right to bring in a long-term left back with quality. If we had a realistic chance of winning a good trophy or finishing in the top 4 this season I'd say we desperately need to find a left back now but we aren't.

    I don't know if Warnock would do that much better than Johnson or Agger at left back to be honest; Debbie watches Villa all the time and says he's been awful for them. The times of signing awful players like Poulsen and Konchesky have got to stop now if we ever want to move forward.

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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:53 pm

    Poulsen has looked pretty good under Dalglish.

    Johnson is a liability at right back, I don't know why you think switching flanks is going to help. Judge him there in games against Blackpool, Everton and Wolves?

    If Agger is our first choice centre back then why play him at left back? Not to mention that he looked far from convincing there earlier this season.

    I'm not a Warnock fan but I'd much rather see him in the line up than the alternatives you've suggested.
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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:55 pm

    West Ham have completed the signing of Gary O'Neil from 'Boro.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:01 pm

    Glenn Elias Hysén wrote:Poulsen has looked pretty good under Dalglish.

    Johnson is a liability at right back, I don't know why you think switching flanks is going to help. Judge him there in games against Blackpool, Everton and Wolves?

    If Agger is our first choice centre back then why play him at left back? Not to mention that he looked far from convincing there earlier this season.

    I'm not a Warnock fan but I'd much rather see him in the line up than the alternatives you've suggested.

    scratch You asked Chris if he had watched football this season yesterday and I'm starting to wonder if you've watched us play this season.

    Johnson has been shocking at right back, Kenny moved him to left back, he was shocking there against Blackpool. Against Everton he was pretty good, against Wolves I thought he did really well.

    What games should we judge him in? Wolves beat us at Anfield so were tough opposition. The derby is a game most players should be judged in.

    I'm not saying play Agger there, I'm saying he COULD play there if worst came to the worst and all 3 of Johnson, Aurellio and PFK were injured.

    As for Poulsen, he did his best to get Wolves back into the game in the second half at the weekend. He's just a pretty shocking player in this league - he gives the ball away and his positioning is terrible. He's had one half decent game for us, the rest he's basically been the opposition's player.

    You just don't seem to make any sense when you talk about our club. You said Hodgson had done positive things when he clearly hadn't. You said you'd rather see us sign 3 squad players than 1 quality player - we've done this in the past and it's proven that we've fallen short.

    We can only move forward by buying quality players and right now we need about 3 of them in the starting line up to replace both our wingers and at left back. Warnock is a backwards step.
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    Post by fcb Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:15 pm

    Adebayor has officially signed for Madrid on loan until the summer. They'll pay his wages until then (a total of 2m euros) and have an option to buy for 15m euros. From 25m pounds to around 13m...City making some good money on transfers lol!
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    Post by Sgoater1 Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:35 pm

    fcb wrote:Adebayor has officially signed for Madrid on loan until the summer. They'll pay his wages until then (a total of 2m euros) and have an option to buy for 15m euros. From 25m pounds to around 13m...City making some good money on transfers lol!

    Its not worked out as we'd hoped but luckily we can afford it. At his best he is worth the £25m we spent but i think his attitude has meant we havnt seen enough of his best which is a shame, his starts to goals ratio is still pretty impressive though. Loaning our rejects to Real Madrid i never thought id see the day Very Happy
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:22 pm

    Atletico Madrid reject £52m bid from Chelsea for striker Sergio Aguero & defender Diego Godin - BBC
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    Post by Chris 23* Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:24 pm

    Ade wrote:Atletico Madrid reject £52m bid from Chelsea for striker Sergio Aguero & defender Diego Godin - BBC

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    Post by Rosicky Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:55 pm

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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:41 am

    Luis wrote:
    Glenn Elias Hysén wrote:Poulsen has looked pretty good under Dalglish.

    Johnson is a liability at right back, I don't know why you think switching flanks is going to help. Judge him there in games against Blackpool, Everton and Wolves?

    If Agger is our first choice centre back then why play him at left back? Not to mention that he looked far from convincing there earlier this season.

    I'm not a Warnock fan but I'd much rather see him in the line up than the alternatives you've suggested.

    scratch You asked Chris if he had watched football this season yesterday and I'm starting to wonder if you've watched us play this season.

    Johnson has been shocking at right back, Kenny moved him to left back, he was shocking there against Blackpool. Against Everton he was pretty good, against Wolves I thought he did really well.

    What games should we judge him in? Wolves beat us at Anfield so were tough opposition. The derby is a game most players should be judged in.

    I'm not saying play Agger there, I'm saying he COULD play there if worst came to the worst and all 3 of Johnson, Aurellio and PFK were injured.

    As for Poulsen, he did his best to get Wolves back into the game in the second half at the weekend. He's just a pretty shocking player in this league - he gives the ball away and his positioning is terrible. He's had one half decent game for us, the rest he's basically been the opposition's player.

    You just don't seem to make any sense when you talk about our club. You said Hodgson had done positive things when he clearly hadn't. You said you'd rather see us sign 3 squad players than 1 quality player - we've done this in the past and it's proven that we've fallen short.

    We can only move forward by buying quality players and right now we need about 3 of them in the starting line up to replace both our wingers and at left back. Warnock is a backwards step.

    I would prefer to sign a left back in this window rather than rely on Johnson.

    Poulson, under Dalglish, is one of the few outfield players we have who doesn't try to sprint into the box as soon as we gain possession.

    I did defend Hodgson, I felt the RAWKBEAST went overboard and there is and was a grey area. I didn't say I'd rather see us sign 3 squad players than 1 quality player, I said I'd rather see us sign 3 squad players than sign Suarez. Warnock isn't a backwards step, he is better than our current options.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:10 pm

    Huge transfer news being revealed by the Guardian at around 5.30 supposedly.
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    Post by debaser Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:17 pm

    Ade wrote:Huge transfer news being revealed by the Guardian at around 5.30 supposedly.

    Finally sorting the Warnock loan deal Shocked
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:26 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Ade wrote:Huge transfer news being revealed by the Guardian at around 5.30 supposedly.

    Finally sorting the Warnock loan deal Shocked

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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:34 pm

    Ade wrote:Huge transfer news being revealed by the Guardian at around 5.30 supposedly.

    #Inter to bid £40m for Gareth Bale in the summer.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/27/inter-40m-gareth-bale?CMP=twt_gu

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    Post by debaser Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:36 pm

    Oh the BIG NEWS is that Inter might bid Bale in the summer. With no quotes.

    Warnock would've been more interesting.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:55 am

    Several newspapers are reporting that Chelsea have had a £40m offer for Torres rejected.
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    Post by Chris 23* Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:20 pm

    Ade wrote:
    Ade wrote:Huge transfer news being revealed by the Guardian at around 5.30 supposedly.

    #Inter to bid £40m for Gareth Bale in the summer.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/27/inter-40m-gareth-bale?CMP=twt_gu

    Boooooo.

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    Post by Kimbo Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:12 pm

    Martins is back.

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6706293,00.html

    Birmingham City have completed the signing of former Newcastle striker Obafemi Martins.

    Martins is currently with Russian club Rubin Kazan, who have revealed that they have loaned him to Blues until the end of the season.
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    Post by Matt_AFC Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:54 pm

    Benfica have ended talks with Chelsea about the transfer of David Luiz Very Happy
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:33 pm

    WBA sign Carlos Vela on loan until the end of the season.

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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:36 pm

    who?
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    Post by debaser Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:51 pm

    Glenn Elias Hysén wrote:who?

    West Bromwich Albion

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