Watch from 5:17 to 5:38 for some classic Ronaldinho of old.
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Great game in the Brazilian league, with Neymar scoring 2 goals for Santos (first one was a brilliant piece of skill) and Ronaldinho getting a hattrick for Flamengo.
Watch from 5:17 to 5:38 for some classic Ronaldinho of old.
Watch from 5:17 to 5:38 for some classic Ronaldinho of old.
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Great game.
Neymar is a craque. Ronaldinho either.
You're right, FCB. Neymar's first goal was from another world, extraterrestrial little c**t.
Good to see our football getting economically strong and keeping our craques. Our teams are beginning to be again what they were until the early 90s, before European teams began to buy all our good players.
If nothing wrong happens in the way and our economy continues to grow, our league will be the strongest in the world again.
By the way, Corinthians, with Liedson, some promising young players and waiting for Adriano to come back from injury are leaders!!!
Neymar is a craque. Ronaldinho either.
You're right, FCB. Neymar's first goal was from another world, extraterrestrial little c**t.
Good to see our football getting economically strong and keeping our craques. Our teams are beginning to be again what they were until the early 90s, before European teams began to buy all our good players.
If nothing wrong happens in the way and our economy continues to grow, our league will be the strongest in the world again.
By the way, Corinthians, with Liedson, some promising young players and waiting for Adriano to come back from injury are leaders!!!
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And youngster Lucas scored this beauty yesterday:
https://youtu.be/DLq2I1IY5FQ
Euro clubs are offering millions of Euros for our craques every week, and Brazilian clubs are saying fuck off.
https://youtu.be/DLq2I1IY5FQ
Euro clubs are offering millions of Euros for our craques every week, and Brazilian clubs are saying fuck off.
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This is all sounding a bit Puroesque
Fair play, but I can't help thinking your defence of (defensiveness about?) Brazilian football tends to be in inverse proportion to its position of strength at any given time...
Fair play, but I can't help thinking your defence of (defensiveness about?) Brazilian football tends to be in inverse proportion to its position of strength at any given time...
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Allez les rouges wrote:This is all sounding a bit Puroesque
Fair play, but I can't help thinking your defence of (defensiveness about?) Brazilian football tends to be in inverse proportion to its position of strength at any given time...
Haha. I thought the same thing when I wrote that post.
I'm not talking about the Brazilian national team, but about Brazilian club football.
When I say "the strongest" in the world I refer to the 60s, when indeed we had the strongest league in the world. From the mid-70s until the early 90s we had just one of the strongest.
You can see the difference by looking at how Brazilian teams played against Europeans until then (attacking football, often dominating the game) and how they play now (pussy defensive football, like São Paulo against 'Pool and Inter against Barça).
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WOW, that Neymar goal was something else.
Just wow
Just wow
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i hope braziian players starts starting home for longer and those in europe start going home earlier, the economy is strong and the league is getting better and better,every season.
their will be a proper league outside of europe for players to go a prove them self.
their will be a proper league outside of europe for players to go a prove them self.
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Mongrel Hawk wrote:Great game.
Neymar is a craque. Ronaldinho either.
You're right, FCB. Neymar's first goal was from another world, extraterrestrial little c**t.
Good to see our football getting economically strong and keeping our craques. Our teams are beginning to be again what they were until the early 90s, before European teams began to buy all our good players.
If nothing wrong happens in the way and our economy continues to grow, our league will be the strongest in the world again.
By the way, Corinthians, with Liedson, some promising young players and waiting for Adriano to come back from injury are leaders!!!
The time is coming when South America will be able to keep the best players home. The days when Bayern Munich get utterly humiliated by strong Alianza Lima with all our cracks will return. No more 'Peon teams with our star players and then them c**ts say "Europe is stronger than South America" THE FUCK!
I noticed your league was changing for the better a couple of years ago. There was a different feeling about the matches, the quality was returning to what it once was, and that's because you're keeping your best players. Hopefully the same happens in Perú. However, I foresee that Brasileirao will sign the best Peruvians, Argies, Uruguayans, Paraguayans, Colombians, Chileans. After all these cracks would rather make a little less money than in Europe (only a fraction less, mind you) and play in Brasil instead of Europe.
Then I want to see 'peons WITHOUT a single South American player. Oh the shite football that they will serve then, it would be pussy football vs pussy football among themselves, they will bore themselves to death.
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Bayern München, European Champions League final, Bernabéu, 22 May 2010:
Butt; Lahm, Van Buyten, Demichelis, Badstuber; Schweinsteiger, van Bommel; Robben, Müller, Altintop; Olic
Presumably the guy in bold was the playmaker and the key man.
(as I recall the opposing team had seven South Americans in its XI and played on the counter, with a third of the possession)
FC Barcelona v Manchester United, European Champions League final, Wembley, 28 May 2011
Three Latin Americans in either team, were they the only ones not too cowardly to play?
To pussy football
After all, it helps a team with NO South Americans in it to crush one with ELEVEN of the fuckers 4-0, right?
Shurely shome mistake.
Butt; Lahm, Van Buyten, Demichelis, Badstuber; Schweinsteiger, van Bommel; Robben, Müller, Altintop; Olic
Presumably the guy in bold was the playmaker and the key man.
(as I recall the opposing team had seven South Americans in its XI and played on the counter, with a third of the possession)
FC Barcelona v Manchester United, European Champions League final, Wembley, 28 May 2011
Three Latin Americans in either team, were they the only ones not too cowardly to play?
To pussy football
After all, it helps a team with NO South Americans in it to crush one with ELEVEN of the fuckers 4-0, right?
Shurely shome mistake.
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I cant tell you how much fun that game was, when Santos scored the 3-0 my younger sister wanted to turned off the tv I said you cant do that moron, we have an entire half to get a draw. She didnt believe me and went to shower, by the time we scored the second goal and Felipe got the penalty I was screaming for her to come watch.
I really believed we could score and get the result, so I was pretty happy at the end, football can be so fun sometimes. I think Corinthians, Flamengo and Sao Paulo will be the teams fighting for the tittle this year.
and God Bless Ronaldinho and Neymar, both really are artists.
I really believed we could score and get the result, so I was pretty happy at the end, football can be so fun sometimes. I think Corinthians, Flamengo and Sao Paulo will be the teams fighting for the tittle this year.
and God Bless Ronaldinho and Neymar, both really are artists.
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Allez les rouges wrote:Bayern München, European Champions League final, Bernabéu, 22 May 2010:
Butt; Lahm, Van Buyten, Demichelis, Badstuber; Schweinsteiger, van Bommel; Robben, Müller, Altintop; Olic
Presumably the guy in bold was the playmaker and the key man.
(as I recall the opposing team had seven South Americans in its XI and played on the counter, with a third of the possession)
FC Barcelona v Manchester United, European Champions League final, Wembley, 28 May 2011
Three Latin Americans in either team, were they the only ones not too cowardly to play?
To pussy football
After all, it helps a team with NO South Americans in it to crush one with ELEVEN of the fuckers 4-0, right?
Shurely shome mistake.
Surely you don't h'actually believe there is any SENSE being spoken here BY SOME PEOPLE.
Forget club football for a minute - there ain't any South Americans playing for Spain and they're the best team in the World. Germany comfortably beat the Copa America Champions in the World Cup 3rd place play off. Just like in 2006, it was an all European final.
There are some beautifully gifted South American players, of course there are.
But European clubs to struggle without South Americans? Hmm, I don't think so. Some people are having a fackin' bubble mate if the suggestion is there ain't enough European talent for the top clubs to survive.
A. Fackin'. Bubble
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The best bit was the goalkeeper playing keepie uppie after saving Elano's ridiculous penalty.
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Noah und der Bale wrote:Allez les rouges wrote:Bayern München, European Champions League final, Bernabéu, 22 May 2010:
Butt; Lahm, Van Buyten, Demichelis, Badstuber; Schweinsteiger, van Bommel; Robben, Müller, Altintop; Olic
Presumably the guy in bold was the playmaker and the key man.
(as I recall the opposing team had seven South Americans in its XI and played on the counter, with a third of the possession)
FC Barcelona v Manchester United, European Champions League final, Wembley, 28 May 2011
Three Latin Americans in either team, were they the only ones not too cowardly to play?
To pussy football
After all, it helps a team with NO South Americans in it to crush one with ELEVEN of the fuckers 4-0, right?
Shurely shome mistake.
Surely you don't h'actually believe there is any SENSE being spoken here BY SOME PEOPLE.
Forget club football for a minute - there ain't any South Americans playing for Spain and they're the best team in the World. Germany comfortably beat the Copa America Champions in the World Cup 3rd place play off. Just like in 2006, it was an all European final.
There are some beautifully gifted South American players, of course there are.
But European clubs to struggle without South Americans? Hmm, I don't think so. Some people are having a fackin' bubble mate if the suggestion is there ain't enough European talent for the top clubs to survive.
A. Fackin'. Bubble
I don't know exactly whom you're referring to, but I never said European clubs wouldn't survive without South Americans. What I said was Brazil could have a league as strong as - or even stronger, like in the 60s - the top European leagues with our craques playing for our clubs, just like before the mid 90s, when top Brazilian clubs played even games against top Euro clubs - and not the pussy football displayed by São Paulo against Liverpool and Internacional against Barça.
If we don't have a major economic breakdown in the world (I fear we may have) and Brazilian economy keeps growing as it has been, I guess we may form a very strong league, with world class Brazilians and, as Puro said, Argentines, Peruvians, Uruguayans, Colombians and - why not? - Europeans.
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figure it:
euro teams only have and had euro players. no ronaldo, ronaldinho, batistuta, messi, fourlain, eto'o, roberto carlos, cafu, riquelme, drogba, romário, kaká, adriano, tevez, etc.
then, south american teams begin to buy all the good (and not so good) euro players.
figure it: no south americans, africans etc. + no rooney, lampard, cristiano ronaldo, xavi, iniesta, villa, zidane, cantona, buffon, etc, etc, etc. all of them bought by south americans.
what is left?
that's what happened to South American football beginning in the late 80s. it was hugely weakened. it seems this is beginning to change.
5 years ago, Neymar, Ganso, Lucas and many others would be in Europe already.
euro teams only have and had euro players. no ronaldo, ronaldinho, batistuta, messi, fourlain, eto'o, roberto carlos, cafu, riquelme, drogba, romário, kaká, adriano, tevez, etc.
then, south american teams begin to buy all the good (and not so good) euro players.
figure it: no south americans, africans etc. + no rooney, lampard, cristiano ronaldo, xavi, iniesta, villa, zidane, cantona, buffon, etc, etc, etc. all of them bought by south americans.
what is left?
that's what happened to South American football beginning in the late 80s. it was hugely weakened. it seems this is beginning to change.
5 years ago, Neymar, Ganso, Lucas and many others would be in Europe already.
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South Americans being more expensive and hence less lucrative investments for european clubs is only positive from the european perspective also, as it forces the clubs to invest in their own youth. And it also means that other regions will benefit from the high level of competition in european club football as the focus shifts. Japan is already benefitting greatly from the new trend, for example.
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@Mongrel, wasn't directed at you- you have only ever talked sense, intelligent chap. It was directed at SOME PEOPLE who are a little lacking in the grey matter.
European football would be a lot less of a fun place without the South Americans. They give a lot to the game here. BUT, take them all away and We would still be competitive, for reasons as Blut stated plus even without the SA flair and individual brilliance we still have the best organised teams in the World, tactically and athletically.
Although were all the best Euro talent to also move to Brazil it would be a royal reversal for sure.
Would love to see a powerful league outside Europe as Messiah stated. Would be a very interesting shift.
By the way, if Brazilian clubs are now in such good shape financially, what happened to Corinthians and their bid for Tevez. Apparently they couldn't get a guarantee on the funds from the bank or something strange ...
European football would be a lot less of a fun place without the South Americans. They give a lot to the game here. BUT, take them all away and We would still be competitive, for reasons as Blut stated plus even without the SA flair and individual brilliance we still have the best organised teams in the World, tactically and athletically.
Although were all the best Euro talent to also move to Brazil it would be a royal reversal for sure.
Would love to see a powerful league outside Europe as Messiah stated. Would be a very interesting shift.
By the way, if Brazilian clubs are now in such good shape financially, what happened to Corinthians and their bid for Tevez. Apparently they couldn't get a guarantee on the funds from the bank or something strange ...
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Pussy football? Paraguay make Greece look like total football FFS! The average number of goals scored in most Copa America matches didn't exactly got rid of the fishy smell either. You better hope that a guy with balls like Bielsa takes over one of your teams soon, otherwise you'll need fungicides...
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@blut
I agree completely with you.
@noah
Brazilian teams got a little better economically, enough to make a difference, but they are still far from having the power to bring back top players at their peak. By now, what we can do is keep our craques for longer and say no to some huge euro bids - something we couldn't do some years before.
What is happening:
Football market in Brazil increased a lot. The clubs are getting more professional, signing much better TV and sponsor deals, making marketing actions to sell products, selling tickets massively through the Internet - in Corinthians case, supporters have a "smart card" (a plastic, magnetic card) that allows you to buy a virtual ticket through the Internet for a game. You go to the stadium, pass the card on an electronic turnstile and you are in. No black market selling overpriced paper tickets outside the stadium anymore.
Corinthians is collecting an average of more than half a million US dollars per game in the Brazilian championship, which was unimaginable for any Brazilian club some years ago. Corinthians TV rights increased from around 20 million US$ a year to around 80 million US$ a yer (beginning next year). Corinthians shirt sponsors are paying almost 30 million $ a year (5 years ago, less than 10 million).
But, of course, Corinthians and Flamengo have by far the biggest fanbases in Brazil, followed by São Paulo, and earn considerably more than the others. But the others also increased their earnings proportionally.
I hope our football will keep growing side by side with our economy (though a possible USA huge breakdown may fuck us all for good). A WC is coming, as well as the Olympics, which is excellent for football business. The problem is we have a lot of corruption in football and politics, a problem Italy knows very well.
Tevez deal:
Corinthians wanted Tevez but don't have the money now. The deal would be: 25% of 40 million euros every year, during 4 years, a kind of installment plan. This we could cover comfortably with TV money, but couldn't pay now, cause the new deal will only begin next year.
The thing is, we are not as professional as we should be yet, but we are learning.
I agree completely with you.
@noah
Brazilian teams got a little better economically, enough to make a difference, but they are still far from having the power to bring back top players at their peak. By now, what we can do is keep our craques for longer and say no to some huge euro bids - something we couldn't do some years before.
What is happening:
Football market in Brazil increased a lot. The clubs are getting more professional, signing much better TV and sponsor deals, making marketing actions to sell products, selling tickets massively through the Internet - in Corinthians case, supporters have a "smart card" (a plastic, magnetic card) that allows you to buy a virtual ticket through the Internet for a game. You go to the stadium, pass the card on an electronic turnstile and you are in. No black market selling overpriced paper tickets outside the stadium anymore.
Corinthians is collecting an average of more than half a million US dollars per game in the Brazilian championship, which was unimaginable for any Brazilian club some years ago. Corinthians TV rights increased from around 20 million US$ a year to around 80 million US$ a yer (beginning next year). Corinthians shirt sponsors are paying almost 30 million $ a year (5 years ago, less than 10 million).
But, of course, Corinthians and Flamengo have by far the biggest fanbases in Brazil, followed by São Paulo, and earn considerably more than the others. But the others also increased their earnings proportionally.
I hope our football will keep growing side by side with our economy (though a possible USA huge breakdown may fuck us all for good). A WC is coming, as well as the Olympics, which is excellent for football business. The problem is we have a lot of corruption in football and politics, a problem Italy knows very well.
Tevez deal:
Corinthians wanted Tevez but don't have the money now. The deal would be: 25% of 40 million euros every year, during 4 years, a kind of installment plan. This we could cover comfortably with TV money, but couldn't pay now, cause the new deal will only begin next year.
The thing is, we are not as professional as we should be yet, but we are learning.
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It is interesting to talk about this possible shift. Middle Eastern leagues are part of this changing landscape as well. For example, Betis is about to lose one of their best players Achille Emana to Al-Hilal. It used to be that the oldies would retire to play in Qatar or UAE but Emana is 28. Those clubs can pay the fees and pay big wages. I think Mirel Radoi went a couple of seasons ago to Saudi Arabia as well and he is also in the prime of his career. It seems like these sorts of departures will have a big impact on mid-level European clubs.