Champions League Last 16 thread

bvb (no because they are german)
gala (no not good enough)
barca (it`s about time)
real (no not again)
psg (yeah would be nice)
malaga (no not big enough)
juve (no thanks)

Kroos wrote:gala (no not good enough)
malaga (no not big enough)

Hope you draw one of them and lose

Effenberg wrote:This is why I kind of prefer a nice 1-1 or 2-2 away draw in the first leg. Hopefully, now they have the squeaky bum syndrome out of their system.

Aye, there is something about this for sure.

I'm a little concerned after seeing Bayern and Milan's performances about how we (Spurs) will handle the 2ng leg at the San Siro tomorrow being 3-0 up. These two results are a wake up call against complacency.

Kroos wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Congrats Malaga.

Commiserations Arseanals. Spirited performance. Although Bayern were shockingly complacent yet again.

Sorry, but this German generation look like brittle bottlejobs despite the skill. Otto was right

KROOSBAIT

On this occassion I'm being serious. The likes of Lahm, Kroos, Muller are all obviously quality footballers, but collectively they have buckled under pressure to date. I don't mean at Bundesliga level, but at European and National Team level there can't be any argument. Even you were predicting as far back as 2008 that DOMILIATION was around the corner. It's now 2013, the natural talent is there but the mental toughness doesn't appear to be.

The transformation into becoming the new Dutch is almost complete

Team definitely restored some pride tonight, I'll post longer thoughts in the Arsenal thread tomorrow.

Prof! Kos

Effenberg wrote:21-5 attempts, 0-2 scoreline. For fuck's sake. Sammer will chew them out.

3/4 of those attempts came from Kroos doing his best Lampard impersonation

Congrats anyway though, but as Bernd said, this new mental German fragility is worrying. The new Netherlands indeed

Romford Pele wrote:
Congrats anyway though, but as Bernd said, this new mental German fragility is worrying. The new Netherlands indeed

Robben is the one missing sitters and penalties in those games. Contrary to what people say, he is NOT German. :

Romford Pele wrote:Team definitely restored some pride tonight, I'll post longer thoughts in the Arsenal thread tomorrow.

Prof! Kos

Has always been our best CB

Great game to watch today, thought Arsenal showed some heavy metal as for their CB's they anchored their side pushed forward at every chance. Nearly shocked the Germans who could not counter to save their lives and had no control over Arsenal's assertiveness to push on and make them look jello like. I think Bayern can put the game behind them and improve they need to get Barca in the next round.

Brian2468 wrote:Great game to watch today, thought Arsenal showed some heavy metal as for their CB's they anchored their side pushed forward at every chance. Nearly shocked the Germans who could not counter to save their lives and had no control over Arsenal's assertiveness to push on and make them look jello like. I think Bayern can put the game behind them and improve they need to get Barca in the next round.

Arsenal had been KO in London already. Never a doubt whatsoever about Bayern advancing to the quarterfinals. Their switching off at home made the tie exciting and interesting, but their progress was never in doubt! Their performance reminded me of the Dutchies in '78 when they lost to Scotland 3-2. For the Dutchies to be KO, they had to lose by three goals. Both Bayern and them Dutchies were super complacent.

Barça, Madrid, Málaga, Juventus, PSG, Galatasaray, Bayern, Dortmund. What a great lineup of quarterfinalists! The quality of the teams is simply amazing. Arguably the best looking set since 1996. TFS!

If Málaga avoid Barça and Madrid, then they have as good a chance as any to make it to the semifinal.

Barça can only beat themselves just like in the last six years.
Madrid are going to get better, but are still below Barça.
Juventus are going to be a tough out.
Málaga only want to avoid Barça and Madrid.
PSG shall look real good against either Bayern or Dortmund
Galatasaray want German ass
Bayern and Dortmund don't want to face Barça, Madrid, Juventus

EURO-Malaga!!!!!!

Great to see their run continue!

Puro wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:Great game to watch today, thought Arsenal showed some heavy metal as for their CB's they anchored their side pushed forward at every chance. Nearly shocked the Germans who could not counter to save their lives and had no control over Arsenal's assertiveness to push on and make them look jello like. I think Bayern can put the game behind them and improve they need to get Barca in the next round.

Arsenal had been KO in London already. Never a doubt whatsoever about Bayern advancing to the quarterfinals. Their switching off at home made the tie exciting and interesting, but their progress was never in doubt! Their performance reminded me of the Dutchies in '78 when they lost to Scotland 3-2. For the Dutchies to be KO, they had to lose by three goals. Both Bayern and them Dutchies were super complacent.

Barça, Madrid, Málaga, Juventus, PSG, Galatasaray, Bayern, Dortmund. What a great lineup of quarterfinalists! The quality of the teams is simply amazing. Arguably the best looking set since 1996. TFS!

If Málaga avoid Barça and Madrid, then they have as good a chance as any to make it to the semifinal.

Barça can only beat themselves just like in the last six years.
Madrid are going to get better, but are still below Barça.
Juventus are going to be a tough out.
Málaga only want to avoid Barça and Madrid.
PSG shall look real good against either Bayern or Dortmund

Galatasaray want German ass
Bayern and Dortmund don't want to face Barça, Madrid, Juventus

Easy to say their was no doubt Bayern were going through at the beginning of the game everyone new this. As the game played out they were clearly not in control of Arsenal if they were they would of scored that was to much of a gamble to take they had to hang and tighten down the rigging to prevent the boat from capsizing.

debaser wrote:

Kroos wrote:gala (no not good enough)
malaga (no not big enough)

Hope you draw one of them and lose

it probably will happen NOT

Disco Benny wrote:

Kroos wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Congrats Malaga.

Commiserations Arseanals. Spirited performance. Although Bayern were shockingly complacent yet again.

Sorry, but this German generation look like brittle bottlejobs despite the skill. Otto was right

KROOSBAIT

On this occassion I'm being serious. The likes of Lahm, Kroos, Muller are all obviously quality footballers, but collectively they have buckled under pressure to date. I don't mean at Bundesliga level, but at European and National Team level there can't be any argument. Even you were predicting as far back as 2008 that DOMILIATION was around the corner. It's now 2013, the natural talent is there but the mental toughness doesn't appear to be.

The transformation into becoming the new Dutch is almost complete

we were fair and square beaten from better teams, the only joke that i remember was the cl final 2012, i`ll take this all as learning curve

in the past we`ve beaten teams because of our skills and mental strength (beckenbauer, loddar, möller...........) but just look at the past teams who won titles (CL or die Mannschaft) filled with players at the peak of there game, and not just players, really quality players, this was never the case since our new generation has appeared

young players will never be as good as players at the peak of there game, the best example is dante, you realize the difference in his presence and constancy

like spain we must unlock a new era with a big trophy (in the CL, or WC or EC) we will have to fight for this trophy, the current years will give our players a huge edge in the future, i am pretty sure that we are the nation who can overtake spain (la liga and la roja), while england has a far longer way to go, it seems that there best midfield player (wilshire) is shamefully a crock, and quality depth is not existing


also die Buli needs more time, the oldest field player against gala was farfan, the rest were "youth" players, or leverkusen, they built a new team, there only experienced players are kießling and rolfes

Disco Benny wrote:

Effenberg wrote:This is why I kind of prefer a nice 1-1 or 2-2 away draw in the first leg. Hopefully, now they have the squeaky bum syndrome out of their system.

Aye, there is something about this for sure.

I'm a little concerned after seeing Bayern and Milan's performances about how we (Spurs) will handle the 2ng leg at the San Siro tomorrow being 3-0 up. These two results are a wake up call against complacency.

indeed, thats not an easy situation, and you don`t have much experience, but when i look at inters team sheet and there recent performances, inter will surely have knifes between there teeth, it`s a dead team when different

Disco Benny wrote:

Kroos wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Congrats Malaga.

Commiserations Arseanals. Spirited performance. Although Bayern were shockingly complacent yet again.

Sorry, but this German generation look like brittle bottlejobs despite the skill. Otto was right

KROOSBAIT

On this occassion I'm being serious. The likes of Lahm, Kroos, Muller are all obviously quality footballers, but collectively they have buckled under pressure to date. I don't mean at Bundesliga level, but at European and National Team level there can't be any argument. Even you were predicting as far back as 2008 that DOMILIATION was around the corner. It's now 2013, the natural talent is there but the mental toughness doesn't appear to be.

The transformation into becoming the new Dutch is almost complete

this may be intended as a wind-up

but you are so 100% right, bernd

it's insane



experience > youth

any day

when it comes to winning cups

+

character, mental strength > skill, talent

also

it will take about 3 to 6 years before the current generation of German supertalents seriously CONTEND for silverware

blut can wank over Götze, Draxler, Kroos, Lahm, Neuer... all he wants

some need more experience (Müller...)

others have it

but lack the right winning mentality ( Lahm... )

blut will need another 5 years at least

before he sees the light

in the meantime

we

ARE

the NEW DUTCH

If I was on a wind up I wouldn't have bothered making a point of admiring the technical ability of this german generation.

Or gone with something like Belgium > Germany


Kroos, you have a point about Germany being miles ahead of England at international level, but I'm yet to be convinced the Bundedliga is better equipped than the Premier League to usurp La liga. Even with a lack of English club in the quarter finals season. First time in 17years, unlikely to happen again next year

Disco Benny wrote:If I was on a wind up I wouldn't have bothered making a point of admiring the technical ability of this german generation.

Or gone with something like Belgium > Germany


Kroos, you have a point about Germany being miles ahead of England at international level, but I'm yet to be convinced the Bundedliga is better equipped than the Premier League to usurp La liga. Even with a lack of English club in the quarter finals season. First time in 17years, unlikely to happen again next year

this point was mainly directed to the la roja

the EPL will come better next year, but they have to upgrade there game, maybe the coaches will drill the players to turn off there laziness, and will also teach them quality pressing

stinger wrote:

Super Mourinho wrote:

stinger wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Malaga through !!!!!!!!

Great! "The Loser one" Pellegrini is having another successful campaign in Europe

I'm glad to see Malaga are through. Especially considering they are playing a double pivot and are better defensively than they are offensively this season.

But Pellegrini is still a loser. He is to Spain what Mazzari is to Italy. You can throw Bielsea in there as well I suppose.

Pellegrini's Villarreal was aften pragmatic, especially in Europe. I remember their group games vs Manchester United putting me to bed every time I tried to watch it. So the way Malaga is playing this season is not a surprise for me. IS there any specific reason why you labelled him as "Loser"? Is this because of Real fiasco? Or something else? Guy did a phenomenal work for Villarreal for years and now is doing very good at Malaga. Maybe it's me once again getting wind ups...

That is correct. He reminds me of Wenger but you're correct that he has shown himself to be more pragmatic which I respect. Yes his time at Madrid showed up for lacking the right mentality. He also reminds me of Napoli's coach Mazzari who has gotten praise in Europe but ultimateley fails whenever he gets a real challenge in Italy and bottled the Chelsea game. This year's Malaga is more solid though, probably out of necessity, so I can get behind them. But I still don't see Pellegrini being a top coach. This is his ceiling imo.

Disco Benny wrote:

Kroos wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Congrats Malaga.

Commiserations Arseanals. Spirited performance. Although Bayern were shockingly complacent yet again.

Sorry, but this German generation look like brittle bottlejobs despite the skill. Otto was right

KROOSBAIT

On this occassion I'm being serious. The likes of Lahm, Kroos, Muller are all obviously quality footballers, but collectively they have buckled under pressure to date. I don't mean at Bundesliga level, but at European and National Team level there can't be any argument. Even you were predicting as far back as 2008 that DOMILIATION was around the corner. It's now 2013, the natural talent is there but the mental toughness doesn't appear to be.

The transformation into becoming the new Dutch is almost complete

New Netherland/Holland we shall dub this strange degeneration.

I would still put my money on England. Chelsea/City will bounce back and Man Utd will improve. Then again that is what expected last year as well but I can't imagine it happening again.

Netherland + Fatherland = Featherland

Super Mourinho wrote:

stinger wrote:

Super Mourinho wrote:

stinger wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Malaga through !!!!!!!!

Great! "The Loser one" Pellegrini is having another successful campaign in Europe

I'm glad to see Malaga are through. Especially considering they are playing a double pivot and are better defensively than they are offensively this season.

But Pellegrini is still a loser. He is to Spain what Mazzari is to Italy. You can throw Bielsea in there as well I suppose.

Pellegrini's Villarreal was aften pragmatic, especially in Europe. I remember their group games vs Manchester United putting me to bed every time I tried to watch it. So the way Malaga is playing this season is not a surprise for me. IS there any specific reason why you labelled him as "Loser"? Is this because of Real fiasco? Or something else? Guy did a phenomenal work for Villarreal for years and now is doing very good at Malaga. Maybe it's me once again getting wind ups...

That is correct. He reminds me of Wenger but you're correct that he has shown himself to be more pragmatic which I respect. Yes his time at Madrid showed up for lacking the right mentality. He also reminds me of Napoli's coach Mazzari who has gotten praise in Europe but ultimateley fails whenever he gets a real challenge in Italy and bottled the Chelsea game. This year's Malaga is more solid though, probably out of necessity, so I can get behind them. But I still don't see Pellegrini being a top coach. This is his ceiling imo.

Disco Benny wrote:

Kroos wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Congrats Malaga.

Commiserations Arseanals. Spirited performance. Although Bayern were shockingly complacent yet again.

Sorry, but this German generation look like brittle bottlejobs despite the skill. Otto was right

KROOSBAIT

On this occassion I'm being serious. The likes of Lahm, Kroos, Muller are all obviously quality footballers, but collectively they have buckled under pressure to date. I don't mean at Bundesliga level, but at European and National Team level there can't be any argument. Even you were predicting as far back as 2008 that DOMILIATION was around the corner. It's now 2013, the natural talent is there but the mental toughness doesn't appear to be.

The transformation into becoming the new Dutch is almost complete

New Netherland/Holland we shall dub this strange degeneration.

I would still put my money on England. Chelsea/City will bounce back and Man Utd will improve. Then again that is what expected last year as well but I can't imagine it happening again.

In Europe? This will entirely depend on the continuation of The Biggest Loser. Pellegrini > Mancini.

It's crazy that City bottled it the last times and PSG is on its way to win it all on the first try and having a weaker league to get experience in. Still a long way, for sure, but everything is possible from this stage on

The meat and potatoes of it all comes down to having the metal CB's at the back first and foremost you can have all the talent in the world weaken this position teams can hit you.Great sides control from the Back. Barca and Spain weakening link Germany can make it all happen tomorrow a Leader from this position will lift the depth in the side add the grit required to beat those better teams. Mertesacker showed some steel playing along side Koscielny yesterday Mert has the abilities to do this, Just by hardening up and acting as the last man of defence e.g. To get past me you will have to bury me first grits not chest beating stupidity, he has traits of Bobby Moore an excellent Centre Back of his time. Maybe he should study this great.

Then all the German talent in front will be allowed to go out and play........... their newer brand of football to entertain us.

Antarion wrote:It's crazy that City bottled it the last times and PSG is on its way to win it all on the first try and having a weaker league to get experience in. Still a long way, for sure, but everything is possible from this stage on

PSG has ancelotti. City will be fine in the CL once they are rid of Mancini, so it is just a matter of time

BTW The weaker league has advantages.

Antarion wrote:Netherland + Fatherland = Featherland

Not a bad name either.

Jaime wrote:

Super Mourinho wrote:

stinger wrote:

Super Mourinho wrote:

stinger wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Malaga through !!!!!!!!

Great! "The Loser one" Pellegrini is having another successful campaign in Europe

I'm glad to see Malaga are through. Especially considering they are playing a double pivot and are better defensively than they are offensively this season.

But Pellegrini is still a loser. He is to Spain what Mazzari is to Italy. You can throw Bielsea in there as well I suppose.

Pellegrini's Villarreal was aften pragmatic, especially in Europe. I remember their group games vs Manchester United putting me to bed every time I tried to watch it. So the way Malaga is playing this season is not a surprise for me. IS there any specific reason why you labelled him as "Loser"? Is this because of Real fiasco? Or something else? Guy did a phenomenal work for Villarreal for years and now is doing very good at Malaga. Maybe it's me once again getting wind ups...

That is correct. He reminds me of Wenger but you're correct that he has shown himself to be more pragmatic which I respect. Yes his time at Madrid showed up for lacking the right mentality. He also reminds me of Napoli's coach Mazzari who has gotten praise in Europe but ultimateley fails whenever he gets a real challenge in Italy and bottled the Chelsea game. This year's Malaga is more solid though, probably out of necessity, so I can get behind them. But I still don't see Pellegrini being a top coach. This is his ceiling imo.

Disco Benny wrote:

Kroos wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:Congrats Malaga.

Commiserations Arseanals. Spirited performance. Although Bayern were shockingly complacent yet again.

Sorry, but this German generation look like brittle bottlejobs despite the skill. Otto was right

KROOSBAIT

On this occassion I'm being serious. The likes of Lahm, Kroos, Muller are all obviously quality footballers, but collectively they have buckled under pressure to date. I don't mean at Bundesliga level, but at European and National Team level there can't be any argument. Even you were predicting as far back as 2008 that DOMILIATION was around the corner. It's now 2013, the natural talent is there but the mental toughness doesn't appear to be.

The transformation into becoming the new Dutch is almost complete

New Netherland/Holland we shall dub this strange degeneration.

I would still put my money on England. Chelsea/City will bounce back and Man Utd will improve. Then again that is what expected last year as well but I can't imagine it happening again.

In Europe? This will entirely depend on the continuation of The Biggest Loser. Pellegrini > Mancini.

Pellegrini's titles while he has coached in Europe:
Intertoto cup



Mancini:

Fiorentina

Coppa Italia (1): 2000–01

Lazio

Coppa Italia (1): 2003–04

Internazionale

Serie A (3): 2005–06, 2006–07, 2007–08
Coppa Italia (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
Supercoppa Italiana (2): 2005, 2006

Manchester City

Premier League (1): 2011–12
FA Cup (1): 2010–11
FA Community Shield (1): 2012

You're not counting the titles Pellegrini and Mancini won in South America so.........

110% wrote:

Antarion wrote:It's crazy that City bottled it the last times and PSG is on its way to win it all on the first try and having a weaker league to get experience in. Still a long way, for sure, but everything is possible from this stage on

PSG has ancelotti. City will be fine in the CL once they are rid of Mancini, so it is just a matter of time

BTW The weaker league has advantages.

Yep manager gets to try things more ideas player match-up in games, would be harder in a more competitive League.

Jaime wrote:You're not counting the titles Pellegrini and Mancini won in South America so.........

I'm not even going to validate that point with an answer.

Disco Benny wrote:

Effenberg wrote:This is why I kind of prefer a nice 1-1 or 2-2 away draw in the first leg. Hopefully, now they have the squeaky bum syndrome out of their system.

Aye, there is something about this for sure.

I'm a little concerned after seeing Bayern and Milan's performances about how we (Spurs) will handle the 2ng leg at the San Siro tomorrow being 3-0 up. These two results are a wake up call against complacency.

Don't be. You guys would probably beat this Inter team if you started your b-team. This is the worst Inter side since I started supporting the club over 25 years ago... unavailable players is not part of the problem. Even full strength, this is an average side.

If the first leg was 3-2, then these may have been a small chance of a troll 1-0 Inter win... At 3-0, Inter will fold after the first spurs goal, and probably suffer a bigger defeat at home.

bluenine wrote:

Disco Benny wrote:

Effenberg wrote:This is why I kind of prefer a nice 1-1 or 2-2 away draw in the first leg. Hopefully, now they have the squeaky bum syndrome out of their system.

Aye, there is something about this for sure.

I'm a little concerned after seeing Bayern and Milan's performances about how we (Spurs) will handle the 2ng leg at the San Siro tomorrow being 3-0 up. These two results are a wake up call against complacency.

Don't be. You guys would probably beat this Inter team if you started your b-team. This is the worst Inter side since I started supporting the club over 25 years ago... unavailable players is not part of the problem. Even full strength, this is an average side.

If the first leg was 3-2, then these may have been a small chance of a troll 1-0 Inter win... At 3-0, Inter will fold after the first spurs goal, and probably suffer a bigger defeat at home.

I have a feeling Inter will win today. I also have a very faint feeling that they may, somehow, go through.