The Next England Squad

Rosicky wrote:He would get slaughter by the press here, he wouldnt stand a chance.

Luis wrote:

Rosicky wrote:He would get slaughter by the press here, he wouldnt stand a chance.

Brilliant.

Let's all kiss Hodgson's arse then because the moronic media do.

Long live Hodge   

christmasborocooper wrote:We played some attacking football Luis, many argued we played well against Italy, that's why hopes went up a bit. Your bitterness doesn't allow you to accept it. The fact the defence was quite awful and Rooney missed a sitter is not really something Hodgson could do much about, other than probably taking Cole.

You seem to be taking that "this wasn't Hodgson's fault" to mean "we all want Hodgson in charge forever". I think that might be the bitterness thing again.

And that list of potential managers you just posted is one of your more silly posts. The likelihood of any of them taking this job is so minimal. Rafa is probably the only one and even that is debatable.

Luis wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:We played some attacking football Luis, many argued we played well against Italy, that's why hopes went up a bit. Your bitterness doesn't allow you to accept it. The fact the defence was quite awful and Rooney missed a sitter is not really something Hodgson could do much about, other than probably taking Cole.

You seem to be taking that "this wasn't Hodgson's fault" to mean "we all want Hodgson in charge forever". I think that might be the bitterness thing again.

And that list of potential managers you just posted is one of your more silly posts. The likelihood of any of them taking this job is so minimal. Rafa is probably the only one and even that is debatable.

The fact that anyone would want Hodgson in charge for any period of time is baffling, unjustified and a sign of incredibly low expectations.

We're sinking into the same abyss Scotland and Ireland are in with this mentality. We're England ffs, why out up with some deluded old backwards man who's never won anything to shout home about?

We attracted Capello, we can attract some of those names with the right money thrown at them.

Rosicky wrote:Capello was a great success wasnt he Luis

Please read that F365 article and get back to me, we have tried EVERYTHING, and they all failed

messiah wrote:I personally thought england played well,especially against italy. but its their defense and defensive cohesion that let them down

Rosicky wrote:Capello was a great success wasnt he Luis

Please read that F365 article and get back to me, we have tried EVERYTHING, and they all failed

Luis wrote:

Rosicky wrote:Capello was a great success wasnt he Luis

Please read that F365 article and get back to me, we have tried EVERYTHING, and they all failed

Capello had a poor squad to work with - the best we had to offer was Upson and Carragher right back   

He was destroyed in 2010 - now we have a good squad but play as poorly (more so second game) and still show too much fear of other so called big nations. Italy aren't all that yet we shat our pants at the thought of Pirlo.

christmasborocooper wrote:Why wasn't Rio at the 2010  world cup?

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

christmasborocooper wrote:Why wasn't Rio at the 2010  world cup?

he was injured bruv. though i like to believe he wasn't good enough to be picked.

messiah wrote:I personally thought england played well,especially against italy. but its their defense and defensive cohesion that let them down

christmasborocooper wrote:I see Harry is in the press saying players he's managed have tried to get out of England duty.. When he was at Spurs though by the sounds of it. Who's even likely there? How many England internationals did Spurs have then? Lennon, Defoe and Dawson?

Any others?


I don't find it especially unbelievable.. But if it's true I'm with Gerrard and Hodgson.. Name them.

bluenine wrote:

messiah wrote:I personally thought england played well,especially against italy. but its their defense and defensive cohesion that let them down

A lot of people here won't like to hear this, but if it were Terry instead of Jag, England would be still in this competition needing a win over Costa Rica to go through.

Rosicky wrote:

Luis wrote:

Rosicky wrote:Capello was a great success wasnt he Luis

Please read that F365 article and get back to me, we have tried EVERYTHING, and they all failed

Capello had a poor squad to work with - the best we had to offer was Upson and Carragher right back   

He was destroyed in 2010 - now we have a good squad but play as poorly (more so second game) and still show too much fear of other so called big nations. Italy aren't all that yet we shat our pants at the thought of Pirlo.

Is the 2010 squad that much worse than the 2014? Or is there just a few more young players, but Capello could have picked some, he didnt.

Have a gander at the Russia squad which Capello has put together, i believe its the oldest one at the tournament, tells you everything you need to know.

Roger Hunt wrote:What purpose does it serve? He's trying to make a point that not all players particularly value playing for England.

I have some sympathy with the perennial bench-warmers like Defoe. It's a month of training knowing your chance of getting on the pitch is small. On the other hand, the only reason they don't come out and say it is because it'll cost them sponsorship money.

bluenine wrote:
A lot of people here won't like to hear this, but if it were Terry instead of Jag, England would be still in this competition needing a win over Costa Rica to go through.

Roger Hunt wrote:What purpose does it serve? He's trying to make a point that not all players particularly value playing for England.

I have some sympathy with the perennial bench-warmers like Defoe. It's a month of training knowing your chance of getting on the pitch is small. On the other hand, the only reason they don't come out and say it is because it'll cost them sponsorship money.

bluenine wrote:A lot of people here won't like to hear this, but if it were Terry instead of Jag, England would be still in this competition needing a win over Costa Rica to go through.

We all knew Hodgson's limitations as a manager before he was hired. He has done well for his capability, England were competitive against two strong opponents. I don't really understand what else were people expecting? This is England, not Brasil FFS. Better footballing nations have fared poorer.

Brian 2468 wrote:Pairings is such an important part in the game CB's we see them screw up the most and blame one or the other. Mertesacker was all over the place for Arsenal until he settled.

The building of partnerships is one key way for now England can improve moving on even more than Managers and coaches. After all the players have to do the business on the field and good quality playing levels start here. From that point coaches can start to create a teams system.

Kimbo wrote:

Brian 2468 wrote:Pairings is such an important part in the game CB's we see them screw up the most and blame one or the other. Mertesacker was all over the place for Arsenal until he settled.

The building of partnerships is one key way for now England can improve moving on even more than Managers and coaches. After all the players have to do the business on the field and good quality playing levels start here. From that point coaches can start to create a teams system.

The England defence needs an organiser, Cahill isn't it, Jones and Smalling certainly aren't it, and it's sad that people see bringing back Terry as the answer. For me the obvious answer is Shawcross, but it will never happen as long as he is at the wrong club.

110% wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Brian 2468 wrote:Pairings is such an important part in the game CB's we see them screw up the most and blame one or the other. Mertesacker was all over the place for Arsenal until he settled.

The building of partnerships is one key way for now England can improve moving on even more than Managers and coaches. After all the players have to do the business on the field and good quality playing levels start here. From that point coaches can start to create a teams system.

The England defence needs an organiser, Cahill isn't it, Jones and Smalling certainly aren't it, and it's sad that people see bringing back Terry as the answer. For me the obvious answer is Shawcross, but it will never happen as long as he is at the wrong club.

So are you saying that Shawcross is a better defender? A better organiser? Doesn't make mistakes? Fits your agenda that every player that plays at a big club is after the headlines, and every player playing for smaller clubs has more "heart" and would therefore do better?

I don't mind shawcross but I do wonder about Stoke conceding almost twice the number of goals as chelsea last season.  He might have made a mistake or two in those games, maybe Pierre can find them on youtube.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Cole, Ferdinand and Campbell, who I don't like, performed well at tournaments.


The problem is people look around and say there are worse teams than us performing well.

Football is obviously a combination of individual brilliance and team work - its rare that a team can win Euro's without the former (Greece '04, Denmark without Laudrup '92) but you will need both to win a WC.

Costa Rica, USA, Iran have good team work but not the individual that will make a difference whereas Holland/Robben, Argentina/Messi, France/Pogba, Krauts/Kroos or Schweini could do it.

England, in the truest sense of the word, are the worst team in the whole tournament.

Its not that they are not a team as in won't fight, haven't got the spirit but that their attributes/skills sets don't fit together to make a team and Roy can't do that much about that.

Gerrard and Lampard were always goal-scoring AM's who were crowbarred in to CM together so that they are futher from goal and you lose the goal scoring threat - no real point in thsoe players if you do that.

Even now if you ask what position in a 4-5-1 is best for Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck you have the same answer for all 3 - the 1.

So why do 3 of them start - it should be 1 surely ?

Henderson has been great in an advanced role but is tied down to CM due to lack of alternatives and because the position he played for Liverpool is close to what Rooney played v Uruguay and you can't drop a big name.


Barkley and Sterling shouldn't play because they don't have the experience so make poor decisions despite impressive talent.

However if Roy had gone in with:

2 from Barry, Carrrick, Huddlestone, Wilshere, Cleverley

Milner-Henderson-Lallana

Sturridge/Rooney/Welbeck

The same people who are slaughtering him now would slaughter him for leaving out Gerrard and whichever of Rooney and Sturridge he chose to bench.

Van Gaal is the only one who could do this impossible job and would be very amusing with our media.

Kimbo wrote:

110% wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Brian 2468 wrote:Pairings is such an important part in the game CB's we see them screw up the most and blame one or the other. Mertesacker was all over the place for Arsenal until he settled.

The building of partnerships is one key way for now England can improve moving on even more than Managers and coaches. After all the players have to do the business on the field and good quality playing levels start here. From that point coaches can start to create a teams system.

The England defence needs an organiser, Cahill isn't it, Jones and Smalling certainly aren't it, and it's sad that people see bringing back Terry as the answer. For me the obvious answer is Shawcross, but it will never happen as long as he is at the wrong club.

So are you saying that Shawcross is a better defender? A better organiser? Doesn't make mistakes? Fits your agenda that every player that plays at a big club is after the headlines, and every player playing for smaller clubs has more "heart" and would therefore do better?

I don't mind shawcross but I do wonder about Stoke conceding almost twice the number of goals as chelsea last season.  He might have made a mistake or two in those games, maybe Pierre can find them on youtube.

Than who? You think Terry is the future, someone that is 33 and we know(or atleast some of us do) is poor at tournaments? I suppose you don't mind about that, you probably think Gerrard should stick around.

We're at a point where Jagielka is going to need replaced, so who do you pick? Shawcross isn't top class but he is a good player, probably of a similar standard to Jagielka, except he is a captain that organises a defence that is generally decent. Although Man U let in less goals so maybe we should pick Chris Smalling. Seriously, who is your Jagielka replacement?

Not sure why you're comparing Stoke and Chelsea, if you want to only pick players from big clubs then ok, it's the definition of insanity, but I expect most people would be with you.

110% wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Cole, Ferdinand and Campbell, who I don't like, performed well at tournaments.


The problem is people look around and say there are worse teams than us performing well.

Football is obviously a combination of individual brilliance and team work - its rare that a team can win Euro's without the former (Greece '04, Denmark without Laudrup '92) but you will need both to win a WC.

Costa Rica, USA, Iran have good team work but not the individual that will make a difference whereas Holland/Robben, Argentina/Messi, France/Pogba, Krauts/Kroos or Schweini could do it.

England, in the truest sense of the word, are the worst team in the whole tournament.

Its not that they are not a team as in won't fight, haven't got the spirit but that their attributes/skills sets don't fit together to make a team and Roy can't do that much about that.

Gerrard and Lampard were always goal-scoring AM's who were crowbarred in to CM together so that they are futher from goal and you lose the goal scoring threat - no real point in thsoe players if you do that.

Even now if you ask what position in a 4-5-1 is best for Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck you have the same answer for all 3 - the 1.

So why do 3 of them start - it should be 1 surely ?

Henderson has been great in an advanced role but is tied down to CM due to lack of alternatives and because the position he played for Liverpool is close to what Rooney played v Uruguay and you can't drop a big name.


Barkley and Sterling shouldn't play because they don't have the experience so make poor decisions despite impressive talent.

However if Roy had gone in with:

2 from Barry, Carrrick, Huddlestone, Wilshere, Cleverley

Milner-Henderson-Lallana

Sturridge/Rooney/Welbeck

The same people who are slaughtering him now would slaughter him for leaving out Gerrard and whichever of Rooney and Sturridge he chose to bench.

Van Gaal is the only one who could do this impossible job and would be very amusing with our media.

I don't know if you actually understand what you write, but some things are the national team manager's job. It's what he gets paid millions to do. One of those things is to come up with the best system to suit the players he has. Roy can't do much about that??? That's his job   

As for the question of 3 from 1, again the manager's job or not?  

Basically you are saying that Hodgson didn't do his job, but you'll blame the players.