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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:13 am

    From the BBC

    Paul Scholes is not the man to celebrate a major Manchester United landmark with a fanfare or a blaze of publicity.

    The 31-year-old, a genuine modern-day Old Trafford great, lets football do his talking.

    And 131 goals in 499 games for Manchester United speaks volumes.

    It is also a measure of his influence that he will reach the 500 mark against Liverpool as a hugely influential part of Sir Alex Ferguson's plans to return the title to Old Trafford.

    Scholes emerged as part of United's golden group of young talent in the early 90s along with David Beckham, Ryan Giggs, Nicky Butt and the Neville brothers.

    He was arguably the most under-stated of the group, but has done as much to shape Manchester United's successes as any of the aforementioned.

    Low-profile to a fault, the lifelong Oldham Athletic fan baffled a room of foreign reporters at the 2002 World Cup in Japan when quizzed on his favourite footballer.

    Ignoring the claims of Pele and Diego Maradona, Scholes went for former Oldham Athletic striker Frankie Bunn.

    And when met with puzzled glances, Scholes added: "He scored six times for Oldham in a League Cup tie against Scarborough you know."

    Such was the dead-pan expression, no-one could tell whether his tongue was drilling a hole in his cheek.

    Scholes has returned to form this season after missing much of last term with a worrying eye condition.

    And it was a measure of the respect and admiration for Scholes within the game that new England coach Steve McClaren twice tried - and failed - to coax him out of international retirement.

    Scholes opened his Manchester United career with two goals in a League Cup tie at Port Vale in 1994, and has never looked back.

    He had all the goalscoring gifts to be as natural striker, but such was his all-round game intelligence that he was a perfect fit as the link betwen midfield and attack.

    To this end, you can add countless crucial assists to his 131 goals.

    Scholes' trademark is his clinical approach - to passing and finishing.

    And in his manager Ferguson, he has his biggest fan.

    No-one at Old Trafford ever under-estimates the contribution of Scholes, even if getting the man himself to discuss it remains almost impossible.

    Least of all Ferguson, who beams in delight when Scholes delivers a moment of brilliance or looks astonished when a pass or scoring chance goes astray.

    England never saw the best of Scholes in his latter years and he announced his retirement from international football after a disappointing Euro 2004.

    Scholes' goal against Croatia in Lisbon was his first for his country in three years.

    He received much unwarranted criticism and calls for his exclusion - but he was a victim of circumstances.

    In his desire to field all his best players, and fit square pegs into round holes, Sven-Goran Eriksson played Scholes on the left side of a desperately ill-fitting midfield format.

    Scholes' sphere of influence was reduced as he was forced to the margins of England games, and may even have played a part in his decision to back away from internationals.

    Manchester United did not complain, hoping this would further extend a brilliant career.

    If there is one weakness in Scholes' game, it is his occasionally impetuous tackling.

    And this led to the biggest disappointment of his career, when he was suspended for the Champions League final win against Bayern Munich in 1999.

    There may still be time for Scholes to fill that gap in a bulging trophy cabinet.

    And one thing is certain - United have a better chance of achieving that dream with Scholes than without him.
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    Post by Rez Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:36 pm

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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:54 pm

    Ale The national team should have been built around him in 1998-2004. The F.A wasted him.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:03 pm

    Rez wrote:United legend

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    Post by robert Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:09 pm

    Oh paul Scholes he's scores goals, oooooooooo he scores goals!
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    Post by Tom Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:40 pm

    robert wrote:Oh paul Scholes he's scores goals, oooooooooo he scores goals!
    trust the man utd fans to come up with such a boring chant <Ale>
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:41 pm

    Ginger tosser. Gerrard's better.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:45 pm

    Ballack wrote:
    robert wrote:Oh paul Scholes he's scores goals, oooooooooo he scores goals!
    trust the man utd fans to come up with such a boring chant <Ale>

    Grr Its a great chant

    He scores goals my Lord,
    He scores goals,
    He scores goals my Lord,
    He scores goals,
    He scores goals my Lord,
    Paul Scholes, he scores goals.

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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:46 pm

    I think it's a clever chant. Considering the average Manc vocabulary is less than 10 words, they've worked miracles to get around that handicap.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:47 pm

    Obispo wrote:Ginger tosser. Gerrard's better.

    At running headlessly, yes. ok
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:50 pm

    Gerrard's going to dominate him on Sunday. You know it, I know it, and most importantly, Scholes knows it. I won't be surprised if he pulls out through "injury". Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:53 pm

    Obispo wrote:Gerrard's going to dominate him on Sunday. You know it, I know it, and most importantly, Scholes knows it. I won't be surprised if he pulls out through "injury". Rolling Eyes

    Just like Everton's midfield dominated Gerrard

    Did Cahill take out Gerrard or was it Mr Alonso? i forget
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:54 pm

    Is this the same Cahill who couldn't get a foothold in the game last year when we had 10 men?

    Lucky performance.

    Gerrard > Scholes < Sissoko > Cryuff.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:54 pm

    Gerrard will be knackered as usual, trying to dominate him, while Scholes sets up the winner for Rooney.
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    Post by Fey Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:55 pm

    Gary Cooper=Legend, one of my favourite English players of all time. Such a shame he retired as an England player, always feel he is a bit underrated though. <Ale>
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:56 pm

    Rooney scoring a goal? Aren't you being a tad unrealistic?
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:56 pm

    Obispo wrote:Is this the same Cahill who couldn't get a foothold in the game last year when we had 10 men?

    Lucky performance.

    Gerrard > Scholes < Sissoko > Cryuff.

    True to an extent but quite a bit of bias.

    Sissoko what a joke. Next Vieira my arse.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:56 pm

    Obispo wrote:Is this the same Cahill who couldn't get a foothold in the game last year when we had 10 men?

    Lucky performance.

    Gerrard > Scholes < Sissoko > Cryuff.

    Doh

    Cruijff (age 9) >>> Gerrard (now)
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:57 pm

    yours truly wrote:
    Obispo wrote:Is this the same Cahill who couldn't get a foothold in the game last year when we had 10 men?

    Lucky performance.

    Gerrard > Scholes < Sissoko > Cryuff.

    True to an extent but quite a bit of bias.

    Sissoko what a joke. Next Vieira my arse.

    Laughing ok
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:57 pm

    Sissoko's not the next Vieira. Vieira never dominated big games, Sissoko's already pocketed Ballack once.
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:00 pm

    Obispo wrote:Sissoko's not the next Vieira. Vieira never dominated big games, Sissoko's already pocketed Ballack once.

    That does not make him better than Vieria ...
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:00 pm

    Fey wrote:Gary Cooper=Legend, one of my favourite English players of all time. Such a shame he retired as an England player, always feel he is a bit underrated though. <Ale>

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    http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3085833698476070841&q=paul+scholes

    I'd still put him in the first team now, if he was able to be selected.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:00 pm

    Obispo wrote:Sissoko's not the next Vieira. Vieira never dominated big games, Sissoko's already pocketed Ballack once.

    Saw that response coming correct me if I'm wrong but since he joined you you've only had one victory against 1 of the top teams and that was Arsenal so I'd really like to see the dominance your talking about. Vieira won the title in his first full season.
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:05 pm

    yours truly wrote:
    Obispo wrote:Sissoko's not the next Vieira. Vieira never dominated big games, Sissoko's already pocketed Ballack once.

    Saw that response coming correct me if I'm wrong but since he joined you you've only had one victory against 1 of the top teams and that was Arsenal so I'd really like to see the dominance your talking about. Vieira won the title in his first full season.

    ... We beat United and Chelsea in the FA Cup... And Chelsea again in the Charity Shield.

    It was a hell of alot easier to win the title when Vieira was arrived.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:08 pm

    Obispo wrote:
    yours truly wrote:
    Obispo wrote:Sissoko's not the next Vieira. Vieira never dominated big games, Sissoko's already pocketed Ballack once.

    Saw that response coming correct me if I'm wrong but since he joined you you've only had one victory against 1 of the top teams and that was Arsenal so I'd really like to see the dominance your talking about. Vieira won the title in his first full season.

    ... We beat United and Chelsea in the FA Cup... And Chelsea again in the Charity Shield.

    It was a hell of alot easier to win the title when Vieira was arrived.

    Yeh but he wasn't consistant enough in the league. He has the first touch of a rapist and generally his technical ability is poor.

    How was it easier to win the title when Vieira arrived?
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:09 pm

    Your can have no complaints with being called just a cup side. Laughing

    The only things you can talk about are victories in cup games.
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    Post by Romford Pele Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:10 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:Your can have no complaints with being called just a cup side. Laughing

    The only things you can talk about are victories in cup games.

    Well said <Ale>
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:14 pm

    He wasn't consistant enough in the league? I'd love to know where you're getting this from; assuming by your comment that we've only won a single league game against the "big 3" since his arrival, I'll assume you're talking results.

    Despite the results not going our way in these games, we've dominated possession in the majority of our meetings up against the "big 3", and usually created the most chances. What you're doing is basically blaming Sissoko for rubbish like Cisse missing an open goal at Old Trafford last year, or for Djimi Traore putting in suicide tackles against Drogba at Anfield, or Gerrard playing blind back-passes at Highbury.

    What you're not doing is actually looking at what a defensive midfielder is supposed to do, which is leave his mark on the game and help his team win possession - which he clearly did do looking at the possession stats in most of those games.

    You're basically blaming a defensive midfielder for a strikers failings.

    First touch of a rapist? Is this something he displayed when he beat 3 players with ease on his premiership debut at the Riverside? He's not a great passer, but this board makes him sound as if he has no footballing ability full-stop Rolling Eyes


    How was it easier to win the title when Vieira arrived? There was only one other team in the country capable of winning it at the time. Now there's 4 teams capable of winning it, and much stronger teams throughout the league.
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    Post by L r d Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:15 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:Your can have no complaints with being called just a cup side. Laughing

    The only things you can talk about are victories in cup games.

    ...Says a supporter of the side who's only success in 2 years has come in a mickey mouse cup competition.

    Unless of course, a single league point more than us last season, constitutes being great in the league.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:19 pm

    But if he didn't have pace, strength and amazing stamina, he'd be playing in the Championship, lets be fair.

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