Do u want an Barcelona - Chelsea encounter next year?

Obispo wrote:

Rosy wrote:I certainly want to avoid Liverpool!

Naturally. It would be in your best interest to progress as far as possible.

I'm happy to stick with the regular league victories

Rosy wrote:

Obispo wrote:

Rosy wrote:I certainly want to avoid Liverpool!

Naturally. It would be in your best interest to progress as far as possible.

I'm happy to stick with the regular league victories

Exactly why you'll always be considered a small time team in Europe.

Ask United

Rosy wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:NOO...any game containing Chelsea is crap
Chelsea play like a small club but have big players and that is just sickening to watch for 90 mins...

Rather petty comments especially as there have been some great games involving Chelsea in the last few years. Personally I'd like to avoid Barcelona for a few years (unless it's the final) as the rivalry has become a bit silly. I certainly want to avoid the dreary affairs of Chelsea against Liverpool!

Well, I'll try to explain my petty comments and show you my view of football. Big teams that have resources should always try to reach entertaining and ball controlled football rather than embracing a philosophy that cares about results above anything else. It's their responsibility. For the sake of football.

As Antonio Machado used to say one should boast about intentions rather than results. And I must say I don't see Chelsea's intentions being what I described before. I did not see it in past years and I didn't see it on Wednesday against Barça.

If the richest football club in the world does not care about this then it must be true what ppl say...football was better in the past

TITO wrote:Or this was enough?
At least for thext 5 years.

Absolutely not! Chelsea with all their star players Drogba, Ballack, Robben, Essien STILL play like minnows when it comes to playing against Barça. Mourinho knew the only way he had a chance against Barça EVEN without a decent striker was to scratch, scrape, kick Barça every minute to slow them down.

Great move by Mourinho with his conditioning of the refs by publicly saying "we just hope to finish the game with 11 men". Mourinho beautifully set the ref up with such comments. He had the ref in his pocket knowing that his players could get away with their chicanery a bit more.

The ref should be there to protect the ones who want to play football, and not to aid the ones who practice anti-football like Jose's London cheats. The ref completely sucked that night. Mourinho's a very clever man, but I know his ulterior motives whenever he says something. Jose may fool a lot of people, but he ain't fooling this Peruvian.

toon h wrote:I wouldn't mind another Chelsea - Barça next May...

Likewise here. I wouldn't mind another Barça-Chelsea, BUT I know Chelsea will always play like minnows against Barça. Mourinho KNOWS he doesn't stand a chance IF he has his Chelsea play football against them. They've got to resort to their usual chicanery, dirtying the game to have any chance against Barcelona.

Perhaps it's best that we don't see another Chelsea-Barça in the near future because we know how Jose will approach the game.

i partly agree with what you say Barrilete_Cosmico but tactics should also have a say in it. i dont want my team(real madrid) to play like they do now. if we get a title this season then good but after that i wont accept it the season after that.
but you also have to respect other teams and other tactics as there is more then one way to the same goal. i dont mind watching tactical teams but i hate watching defensive teams.

Thank God for South Americans !!
I would get crucified if said that.. but agree with you guys

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:NOO...any game containing Chelsea is crap
Chelsea play like a small club but have big players and that is just sickening to watch for 90 mins...

Che! I agree with you to some extent. Chelsea do play like minnows against Barça even though they have great players themselves. That goes a long way to show that even Mourinho accepts the fact that Barça are the superior team.

i dont agree. mourinho plays to get the result. mourinho played the game like that because he thought it was needed. it has less to do with barca and more to do with tactics. against bayern(away) in the quater finals two years ago they played even more defensive then they have ever played against barca.
against barca he plays just so they are able counter attack them and still defend well.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i dont agree. mourinho plays to get the result. mourinho played the game like that because he thought it was needed. it has less to do with barca and more to do with tactics. against bayern(away) in the quater finals two years ago they played even more defensive then they have ever played against barca.
against barca he plays just so they are able counter attack them and still defend well.

At this rate Chelsea will NEVER reach ths elite status of the Milans, Real Madrids, Barcelonas etc. of the world. Milan didn't resort to any chicanery to dismantle Manchester United AT OLD TRAFFORD! They just played football, and showed everyone who's better.

Mourinho and Chelsea may get a lucky last gasp tying goal, but in the process manage to lose more and more fans with their anti-football approach. Chelsea may NEVER attain the same status as the other teams mentioned EVEN if they happen to scrape, scratch, claw out one CL trophy.

Puro wrote:

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:NOO...any game containing Chelsea is crap
Chelsea play like a small club but have big players and that is just sickening to watch for 90 mins...

Che! I agree with you to some extent. Chelsea do play like minnows against Barça even though they have great players themselves. That goes a long way to show that even Mourinho accepts the fact that Barça are the superior team.

... For history I wouldn't expect a Peruvian to think otherwise. gotta keep spreading the word

Anyway I'm off to study.

It's funny. Some people are making it out as if all Chelsea did was kick players and stop Barca playing. People forget to realise that Chelsea created by far more chances (in both games) and if anything, should be disappointed that they didn't win in the Nou Camp. Barcelona were on top for the first 30 minutes of the game at the Camp Nou, the rest of the time it was either very close, or Chelsea were on top.

Some of the moves Chelsea created too was fantastic. Some people just can't/won't accept the fact that Chelsea is one of the best teams in Europe/the world and are able to change their style (whether it be physical, or a passing game). If anything, Barcelona tried to match Chelsea's "kicking" game in the Camp Nou (especially Motta and Marquez), but nothing is made of that.

Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

S4P wrote:
Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

*Raises hand for Liverpool*

You're our cup-competition bitches.

S4P wrote:Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

In potential KO circumstances I'm sure all of these teams won't fear Chelsea at all: Barça, Bremen, Bayern, Inter, Liverpool, PSV, Valencia, Lyon, Real Madrid, Manchester United, CSKA Moscow, Arsenal, Porto, Milan or EVEN Lille.

In KO stages with the quality of the teams left, anyone can beat anyone.

Puro wrote:

S4P wrote:Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

In potential KO circumstances I'm sure all of these teams won't fear Chelsea at all: Barça, Bremen, Bayern, Inter, Liverpool, PSV, Valencia, Lyon, Real Madrid, Manchester United, CSKA Moscow, Arsenal, Porto, Milan or EVEN Lille.

In KO stages with the quality of the teams left, anyone can beat anyone.

apart from lille of course puro

COTR wrote:

Puro wrote:

S4P wrote:Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

In potential KO circumstances I'm sure all of these teams won't fear Chelsea at all: Barça, Bremen, Bayern, Inter, Liverpool, PSV, Valencia, Lyon, Real Madrid, Manchester United, CSKA Moscow, Arsenal, Porto, Milan or EVEN Lille.

In KO stages with the quality of the teams left, anyone can beat anyone.

apart from lille of course puro

I like Lille's chances against Chelsea better than when Lille beat ManUnited. Chelsea will suffer tremendously against a solid team like Lille with nothing to lose and everything to gain. It is the teams like Lille that give parasitic teams like Chelsea fits. Jose LOVES playing the underdog role, and will have everything to lose against teams such as Lille. Lille would be a great headache for Mourinho.

By the way, found the match facts for the Barcelona-Chelsea game:

Possession: Barcelona 56 Chelsea 44
Shots on goal: Barcelona 5 Chelsea 10
Shots ON TARGET: Barcelona 3 Chelsea 6

So it doesn't seem like Chelsea did so badly after all.

@ Puro

Mate, Chelsea has won 11 and drawn 2 of the last 13 games. With all due respect, I don't think there are too many teams who would want to face us over 2 legs (possibly 1 game, but not 2). Barcelona are the only team who have ever won at Stamford Bridge (in all competitions) under Mourinho. So basically, to beat Chelsea, I think you MUST win the home game.

This season, Chelsea has learnt (even better than before) how to win away from home too.

Obispo wrote:

S4P wrote:
Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

*Raises hand for Liverpool*

You're our cup-competition bitches.

Helps when you've got linesmen playing for you. Sorry, sorry, ahem... 'referee's assistants'. Political correctness gone mad.

Obispo wrote:

S4P wrote:
Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

*Raises hand for Liverpool*

You're our cup-competition bitches.

Liverpool are Chelsea's Premier League bitches!

S4P wrote:By the way, found the match facts for the Barcelona-Chelsea game:

Possession: Barcelona 56 Chelsea 44
Shots on goal: Barcelona 5 Chelsea 10
Shots ON TARGET: Barcelona 3 Chelsea 6

So it doesn't seem like Chelsea did so badly after all.

@ Puro

Mate, Chelsea has won 11 and drawn 2 of the last 13 games. With all due respect, I don't think there are too many teams who would want to face us over 2 legs (possibly 1 game, but not 2). Barcelona are the only team who have ever won at Stamford Bridge (in all competitions) under Mourinho. So basically, to beat Chelsea, I think you MUST win the home game.

This season, Chelsea has learnt (even better than before) how to win away from home too.

Puro hates Chelsea and always will. You're wasting your breath. People don't like the old order being upset. The money argument is spurrious because plenty of teams have had rich benefactors (some of them governments), Chelsea are not unique in that.

Rosy wrote:

S4P wrote:By the way, found the match facts for the Barcelona-Chelsea game:

Possession: Barcelona 56 Chelsea 44
Shots on goal: Barcelona 5 Chelsea 10
Shots ON TARGET: Barcelona 3 Chelsea 6

So it doesn't seem like Chelsea did so badly after all.

@ Puro

Mate, Chelsea has won 11 and drawn 2 of the last 13 games. With all due respect, I don't think there are too many teams who would want to face us over 2 legs (possibly 1 game, but not 2). Barcelona are the only team who have ever won at Stamford Bridge (in all competitions) under Mourinho. So basically, to beat Chelsea, I think you MUST win the home game.

This season, Chelsea has learnt (even better than before) how to win away from home too.

Puro hates Chelsea and always will. You're wasting your breath. People don't like the old order being upset. The money argument is spurrious because plenty of teams have had rich benefactors (some of them governments), Chelsea are not unique in that.

Pleaseee.... You can afford the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.. Even AC Milan, Man Utd and Real Madrid can't afford to go head to head with you over a player.. Basically Mourinho can have any player he wants...

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Obispo wrote:

S4P wrote:
Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

*Raises hand for Liverpool*

You're our cup-competition bitches.

Helps when you've got linesmen playing for you. Sorry, sorry, ahem... 'referee's assistants'. Political correctness gone mad.

Aye... That was a bit dodgy. Still, I wouldn't have minded us taking our chances with just the penalty and the sending off of Cech for Chelsea

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

Rosy wrote:

S4P wrote:By the way, found the match facts for the Barcelona-Chelsea game:

Possession: Barcelona 56 Chelsea 44
Shots on goal: Barcelona 5 Chelsea 10
Shots ON TARGET: Barcelona 3 Chelsea 6

So it doesn't seem like Chelsea did so badly after all.

@ Puro

Mate, Chelsea has won 11 and drawn 2 of the last 13 games. With all due respect, I don't think there are too many teams who would want to face us over 2 legs (possibly 1 game, but not 2). Barcelona are the only team who have ever won at Stamford Bridge (in all competitions) under Mourinho. So basically, to beat Chelsea, I think you MUST win the home game.

This season, Chelsea has learnt (even better than before) how to win away from home too.

Puro hates Chelsea and always will. You're wasting your breath. People don't like the old order being upset. The money argument is spurrious because plenty of teams have had rich benefactors (some of them governments), Chelsea are not unique in that.

Pleaseee.... You can afford the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.. Even AC Milan, Man Utd and Real Madrid can't afford to go head to head with you over a player.. Basically Mourinho can have any player he wants...

For years and years English clubs could not compete with the top Italian and Spanish clubs financially. In the sixties the players at Chelsea were given a perk of luncheon vouchers (how they would laugh if offered them now!). The club didn't even pay Jimmy Greaves his signing on fee of £50, the chief scout coughed that up for him out of his own pocket because he felt so bad about it. It is only since the arrival of the Premier League and the SKY deal that this has changed. The advantage Spain and Italy have on climate is still there and I don't see the top sides in Spain and Italy struggling to attract players because Chelsea are buying them all. It's just not the case. I remember someone on here saying that when Liverpool were at the top of English football they would buy up the best players and park them in the reserves so that other clubs couldn't have them.

Obispo wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Obispo wrote:

S4P wrote:
Somebody find me a team (in Europe) and tell me they honestly think they can guarantee this team will beat Chelsea over 2 games.

*Raises hand for Liverpool*

You're our cup-competition bitches.

Helps when you've got linesmen playing for you. Sorry, sorry, ahem... 'referee's assistants'. Political correctness gone mad.

Aye... That was a bit dodgy. Still, I wouldn't have minded us taking our chances with just the penalty and the sending off of Cech for Chelsea

You'd think the European referee would have given the foot up at the goalkeeper in the first place.

Rosy wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

Rosy wrote:

S4P wrote:By the way, found the match facts for the Barcelona-Chelsea game:

Possession: Barcelona 56 Chelsea 44
Shots on goal: Barcelona 5 Chelsea 10
Shots ON TARGET: Barcelona 3 Chelsea 6

So it doesn't seem like Chelsea did so badly after all.

@ Puro

Mate, Chelsea has won 11 and drawn 2 of the last 13 games. With all due respect, I don't think there are too many teams who would want to face us over 2 legs (possibly 1 game, but not 2). Barcelona are the only team who have ever won at Stamford Bridge (in all competitions) under Mourinho. So basically, to beat Chelsea, I think you MUST win the home game.

This season, Chelsea has learnt (even better than before) how to win away from home too.

Puro hates Chelsea and always will. You're wasting your breath. People don't like the old order being upset. The money argument is spurrious because plenty of teams have had rich benefactors (some of them governments), Chelsea are not unique in that.

Pleaseee.... You can afford the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.. Even AC Milan, Man Utd and Real Madrid can't afford to go head to head with you over a player.. Basically Mourinho can have any player he wants...

For years and years English clubs could not compete with the top Italian and Spanish clubs financially. In the sixties the players at Chelsea were given a perk of luncheon vouchers (how they would laugh if offered them now!). The club didn't even pay Jimmy Greaves his signing on fee of £50, the chief scout coughed that up for him out of his own pocket because he felt so bad about it. It is only since the arrival of the Premier League and the SKY deal that this has changed. The advantage Spain and Italy have on climate is still there and I don't see the top sides in Spain and Italy struggling to attract players because Chelsea are buying them all. It's just not the case. I remember someone on here saying that when Liverpool were at the top of English football they would buy up the best players and park them in the reserves so that other clubs couldn't have them.

Still doesn't change the fact that the mere rumour of you being interested hikes the price straight away, and that this means that clubs suddenly face a massive rise in wage and transfer expenditures simply because there is ONE club out there that can completely disregard all financial responsibility..I know that clubs in Spain and Italy are not saints, but Chelsea is from another dimension.

Everything said and done, I don't really care if we have another encounter next year...it may piss neutrals off but I don't care, I'll be as excited about it as I am with any Barca game.

Chelsea could win all the games from here to the end of season and it won't change a thing(if they keep playing like they did for past years), beacuse it's coached by a man who prefers to play bad and to win instead of playing good football and loosing.

Of course, we all want to win....but only those who are mediocre don't aspire to beauty...and being the case that Chelsea has more means than anyone in the world, it becomes even worse

It's funny that the team referred to as 'most boring' has created more chances than any other Premiership side, scored the 2nd highest number of goals in the Prem, AND created more chances than Barcelona in both matches.

Very boring indeed.

its not only about creating shots or stats. sometimes the way you play will be defensive and you can this way still create more chances.
imagine: a game between two teams. one team that loves to attack and defends bad and another team that loves to defend and counterattack. now if the attacking team is not up for it or the other is succesful in stifling their game they will create very litle and the defending team will create even more chances.

beautiful football means taking risks and attacking with more then what is needed. and often it is clear weather a team plays good football or tries too. against barca chelsea was the better team in both matches allthough people have a hard time admitting it.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

Rosy wrote:

S4P wrote:By the way, found the match facts for the Barcelona-Chelsea game:

Possession: Barcelona 56 Chelsea 44
Shots on goal: Barcelona 5 Chelsea 10
Shots ON TARGET: Barcelona 3 Chelsea 6

So it doesn't seem like Chelsea did so badly after all.

@ Puro

Mate, Chelsea has won 11 and drawn 2 of the last 13 games. With all due respect, I don't think there are too many teams who would want to face us over 2 legs (possibly 1 game, but not 2). Barcelona are the only team who have ever won at Stamford Bridge (in all competitions) under Mourinho. So basically, to beat Chelsea, I think you MUST win the home game.

This season, Chelsea has learnt (even better than before) how to win away from home too.

Puro hates Chelsea and always will. You're wasting your breath. People don't like the old order being upset. The money argument is spurrious because plenty of teams have had rich benefactors (some of them governments), Chelsea are not unique in that.

Pleaseee.... You can afford the highest wages and the highest transfer fees.. Even AC Milan, Man Utd and Real Madrid can't afford to go head to head with you over a player.. Basically Mourinho can have any player he wants...

For years and years English clubs could not compete with the top Italian and Spanish clubs financially. In the sixties the players at Chelsea were given a perk of luncheon vouchers (how they would laugh if offered them now!). The club didn't even pay Jimmy Greaves his signing on fee of £50, the chief scout coughed that up for him out of his own pocket because he felt so bad about it. It is only since the arrival of the Premier League and the SKY deal that this has changed. The advantage Spain and Italy have on climate is still there and I don't see the top sides in Spain and Italy struggling to attract players because Chelsea are buying them all. It's just not the case. I remember someone on here saying that when Liverpool were at the top of English football they would buy up the best players and park them in the reserves so that other clubs couldn't have them.

Still doesn't change the fact that the mere rumour of you being interested hikes the price straight away, and that this means that clubs suddenly face a massive rise in wage and transfer expenditures simply because there is ONE club out there that can completely disregard all financial responsibility..I know that clubs in Spain and Italy are not saints, but Chelsea is from another dimension.

I think the fat salaries and huge transfer fees were in place before Abramovich came along. What did Madrid pay for Zidane or the fading Beckham for that matter? Chelsea is only one club and everyone can't play for them nor do they want to.