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    Post by Tom Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:41 am

    ---------------------Robinson---------------------

    --Neville------Terry-------Ferdinand------A.Cole

    ---------------------Hargreaves-------------------

    ---Gerrard----------Lampard--------------J.Cole

    ----------------Ashton-------Defoe-------------


    Rooneys suspended right?
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:41 am

    dont panic! wrote:lennon..pennant or SWP on the right..we just need to see which of these three should start..although SWP needs to play some matches first before being considered again.

    gerrard should start in the middle..lampard on the bench..cole on the left..not very different to the WC team...the system needs changing more than the actual team members..fewer long balls etc which will automatically happen as beckhams gone...

    .............robinson
    neville...terry..ferdinand...cole
    lennon...carrick/hargreaves....cole
    .............gerrard............
    ........rooney...owen.......

    subs:

    ashton
    bent
    pennant
    lampard
    carragher
    carrick/hargreaves
    crouch
    bridge

    Hargreaves should be an automatic choice in the centre anyway it's just a question of either playing Lampard or Carrick

    In that formation Carrick would sit but would be exposed on the counter. lennon is too inexperienced to work back and win the ball. Gerrard would have to cover taking away his freedom and minimising his effect. Hargreaves could probrably do this job on his own

    Gerrard should be played on the right and given total freedom even more so if Carrick plays in the middle so Neville can get down the right and give width

    By the way i think Neville is still injured who is going to play right full back.

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    Post by Tweesus Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:42 am

    @ don't panic

    Firstly welcome to the board Wink

    Secondly, how about this:

    .............robinson

    neville...terry..ferdinand...cole

    ------Carrick--Hargreaves----

    Gerrard.....Rooney.........Cole

    --------------Ashton------------

    Then using Lennon as a sub when pace needs to be injected.

    We have to decide whether we want to be a team that relies on fast counter-attacking or possession football as this affects the personnel we go with
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:42 am

    parks lives wrote:
    He won't be returning Frank.

    Venables was very critical of the Gerrard -- Lampard partnership, so hopefully he can have an influence on selection.
    saw the scholes comments, my point was that for it to even be considered i´m hoping that this shows he recognises the failings of gerrard/lampard together. and venebles defo mentioned the CM as an area McClaren wanted him to think about, i´m sure venebles will have a big input into selection mcclaren is actually quite clever imho and he´d be more than willing to use el tel´s advice otherwise why appoint him
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    Post by dont panic! Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:44 am

    Tweedledum wrote:My prediction for the actual midfield:

    Lennon---Gerrard--Lampard--Downing.

    You heard it here first Wink

    im no downing fan..

    how about this:

    ...............hargreaves............

    pennant......gerrard........lennon

    a VERY quick and talented midfield ...if they could actually be taught to keep this shape and keep hold of the ball better than they have done recently this would scare the hell out of opponents...especially with two quick forwards like rooney and owen up-front.
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:47 am

    Tweedledum wrote:@ don't panic

    Firstly welcome to the board Wink

    Secondly, how about this:

    .............robinson

    neville...terry..ferdinand...cole

    ------Carrick--Hargreaves----

    Gerrard.....Rooney.........Cole

    --------------Ashton------------

    Then using Lennon as a sub when pace needs to be injected.

    We have to decide whether we want to be a team that relies on fast counter-attacking or possession football as this affects the personnel we go with

    Exactly

    Hargreaves will support Gerrard down the right to with carrick sitting
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:47 am

    Has Lennon ever played on the left though?

    I'm still insure as to how useful Pennant would be, IMO he would only be worth playing if Ashton plays - if Owen and Rooney are playing there isn't really any point playing someone whose main strength is his crossing.
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    Post by dont panic! Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:48 am

    Tweedledum wrote:@ don't panic

    Firstly welcome to the board Wink

    Secondly, how about this:

    .............robinson

    neville...terry..ferdinand...cole

    ------Carrick--Hargreaves----

    Gerrard.....Rooney.........Cole

    --------------Ashton------------

    Then using Lennon as a sub when pace needs to be injected.

    We have to decide whether we want to be a team that relies on fast counter-attacking or possession football as this affects the personnel we go with

    hi..thanks..im not actually new though...change of forum..change of name afro

    your line-up looks GREAT by the way...as long as rooney is pushed up could be very cool indeed
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:50 am

    dont panic! wrote:
    Tweedledum wrote:My prediction for the actual midfield:

    Lennon---Gerrard--Lampard--Downing.

    You heard it here first Wink

    im no downing fan..

    how about this:

    ...............hargreaves............

    pennant......gerrard........lennon

    a VERY quick and talented midfield ...if they could actually be taught to keep this shape and keep hold of the ball better than they have done recently this would scare the hell out of opponents...especially with two quick forwards like rooney and owen up-front.

    You a liverpool fan by any chance?

    Lennon would cut inside like cole although lacks the end product and eye for goal that Cole has

    Hargreaves and Gerrard won't keep posession it will be a counter attacking team

    And also Hargreaves dowsn't sit infront of the back 4 he's no holding player. He plays his best when he is up in line with the midfield so effectively it's a 442


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    Post by dont panic! Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:50 am

    Tweedledum wrote:Has Lennon ever played on the left though?

    I'm still insure as to how useful Pennant would be, IMO he would only be worth playing if Ashton plays - if Owen and Rooney are playing there isn't really any point playing someone whose main strength is his crossing.

    dont agree..owen is more than capable of getting on the end of crosses..be it low at the front post or high (see argentina game)
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:51 am

    @ DP

    And your old name??

    I'm guessing this one is 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' inspired Wink
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    Post by dont panic! Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:52 am

    Tweedledum wrote:@ DP

    And your old name??

    I'm guessing this one is 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' inspired Wink

    youll see soon enough if our german friends come back Fighting
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:53 am

    trees welcome back
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    Post by What hype? Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:53 am

    Tweeds formation/personel is the best one.

    But seeing as Lamps wont be dropped, the one with gerrard on the right with Hargreaves and lamps in the middle looks more realistic.
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:53 am

    dont panic! wrote:
    Tweedledum wrote:@ DP

    And your old name??

    I'm guessing this one is 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' inspired Wink

    youll see soon enough if our german friends come back Fighting

    So either treesanumber or Forza.....
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    Post by Tom Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:56 am

    Ballack wrote:---------------------Robinson---------------------

    --Neville------Terry-------Ferdinand------A.Cole

    ---------------------Hargreaves-------------------

    ---Gerrard----------Lampard--------------J.Cole

    ----------------Ashton-------Defoe-------------


    Rooneys suspended right?
    cough lets include lamps cough bounce
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:57 am

    dont panic! wrote:
    Tweedledum wrote:Has Lennon ever played on the left though?

    I'm still insure as to how useful Pennant would be, IMO he would only be worth playing if Ashton plays - if Owen and Rooney are playing there isn't really any point playing someone whose main strength is his crossing.

    dont agree..owen is more than capable of getting on the end of crosses..be it low at the front post or high (see argentina game)
    Agreed owen is better used if you are going to stretch the play with an out and out wide man like pennant (lennon doesn't offer enough end prodcut and cuts in)

    That way owen can both get on the end of crosses and run inbertween the centre backs as there is more space.

    Aston is better used if you play Gerrard on the right, Asthon can hold the ball up for Joe cole Gerrard and Rooney to run past him.
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    Post by Tom Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:50 pm

    So this is the england thread rite?
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    Post by Tom Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:56 pm

    Ballack wrote:
    Ballack wrote:---------------------Robinson---------------------

    --Neville------Terry-------Ferdinand------A.Cole

    ---------------------Hargreaves-------------------

    ---Gerrard----------Lampard--------------J.Cole

    ----------------Ashton-------Defoe-------------


    Rooneys suspended right?
    cough lets include lamps cough bounce
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:58 pm

    Ballack wrote:---------------------Robinson---------------------

    --Neville------Terry-------Ferdinand------A.Cole

    ---------------------Hargreaves-------------------

    ---Gerrard----------Lampard--------------J.Cole

    ----------------Ashton-------Defoe-------------


    Rooneys suspended right?
    and JC is injured
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    Post by Tom Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:59 pm

    Shite. Hmm maybe Stewart "throw-in" Downing
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:00 pm

    yeah and whilst not the team i´d pick it´ll be the team imho
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:21 pm

    Ballack wrote:Shite. Hmm maybe Stewart "throw-in" Downing

    coop will kill you when he comes on...
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:34 pm

    The (upcoming) problem I see for England is that Mourinho will probably find a way to play Lampard and Ballack together, and it will probably work well, so people will point at Chelsea and say that Gerrard and Lampard should work for England as well, since Ballack and Lampard are similar type of players also.

    Problem is: Ballack may be a similar player, but he is a very intelligent one. He is very versatile, can play well in any midfield position, making it easy to integrate him. That's why I believe that even Ballack and Gerrard would work well also.

    For the sake of the English team, I hope those people won't win the argument.
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    Post by dont panic! Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:42 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:The (upcoming) problem I see for England is that Mourinho will probably find a way to play Lampard and Ballack together, and it will probably work well, so people will point at Chelsea and say that Gerrard and Lampard should work for England as well, since Ballack and Lampard are similar type of players also.

    Problem is: Ballack may be a similar player, but he is a very intelligent one. He is very versatile, can play well in any midfield position, making it easy to integrate him. That's why I believe that even Ballack and Gerrard would work well also.

    For the sake of the English team, I hope those people won't win the argument.

    hmmm...ballack is more like lampard than gerrard...gerrard is more a dynamic type of player...lampard and especially ballack are more strategical type of players...(some would say lazy Cool )
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:45 pm

    Wouldn't say that both Ballack and Lampard are lazy though, at least Ballack isn't, especially for the Mannschaft where he has to stabilise the defence, while coordinating the attack at the same time. He has to run quite a bit. At Bayern it was different, that's true.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:35 pm

    Lord Tweedledum wrote:
    Ballack wrote:Shite. Hmm maybe Stewart "throw-in" Downing

    coop will kill you when he comes on...

    I would never kill a retarded person Cool
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    Post by christmasborocooper Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:47 pm

    Squad has been announced.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:49 pm

    think it said Darren Bent is in
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    Post by christmasborocooper Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:54 pm

    also sounded like there were call ups for...

    SWP
    Dawson
    Phil Nev Sad
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    Defoe

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