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    Post by Mistletoe. Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:34 pm

    Was this the most shameful result ever? Germany, one of the top footballing nations in the world, playing against Cyprus. A small island with aproximately 1/2 the population of Trinidad & Tobago. Less than 800,000 people only, drawing with Germany, 100 times the population.
    It would be like England drawing in Luxembourg, Shocked or Portugal drawing against the Seychelles or Vanuatu. Shocked Embarassed
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:40 pm

    Bollocks, not meaning to rise to the bait, but if you'd seen the game you would agree with the assessment that the Cypriots are better than Wales, Slovakia and Ireland, especially in terms of attacking endeavour (they beat the Irish 5-2 last month). Against a knackered and woefully off-form German side, the result isn't such a terrible shock, never mind a disgrace...
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    Post by Mistletoe. Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:44 pm

    Bollocks, Germany is a major footballing nation, over 100 times the population of Cyprus........drawing away against them is a disgraceful result.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:50 pm

    Unlike France, Italy and Portugal, to name but three, we still haven't lost since the WC, against "disgracefully weak" sides or no... ;-)
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    Post by Mistletoe. Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:55 pm

    Absolutely. The best way to defend a disgraceful result is to change the subject. Well done. England are really shit aren't they.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:07 pm

    !? I didn't mention England once!! Whatever...

    If you're on a wind-up, all fine and understandable. But you didn't see the match, and if that's how it is, all I have to say is "3-1"...

    ;-)

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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:31 pm

    But he brings up a good question: What was Germany's most disgraceful match ever?

    For me, it's probably the match against the Feroer Islands, okay we haven't lost it but the two goals in the dying minutes were rather lucky...

    The Romania 1:5 was also very Yikes
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    Post by dont panic! Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:29 am

    Isar Truppe wrote:Well if you listen to Van Gaals interview before the Dutch game yesterday he will tell you who is currently playing the sexy football.

    "Only Germany and Argentina managed to produce football worth watching at the World Cup"

    And if the Dutch fans are all about the how, then why is Van Basten still in the job?


    did he actually say that?....i heard an interview where he said 'only germany and argentina played in a way there manager would have wanted them to'..or something similar....or was that someone else?

    anyway...germanys draw this week was very lucky...that has to be said...
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    Post by dont panic! Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:34 am

    Allez_les_rouges wrote:The English wins in Charleroi and Munich are their only victories since 1985, and their only competitive ones since 1966. The "bragging rights" thing is just bullshit and mostly one-way: whereas the English – perhaps understandably (combination of irrational hatred and rarity of success) – print T-shirts commemorating the scoreboard of their victory in a sodding QUALIFICATION game that sell in their tens of thousands, the Germans don't have to brag about solitary victories or be hung up on one particular opponent, having won three European and three world championships.


    hmmm..if you guys are so happy and content with your own team...why do you constantly have a go at other teams?..why the constant '66 was a con..luck...undeserved' rubbish?...get over it...you dont see many fans of the most successful team in the world...(thats brazil by the way..not you guys) constantly whining about less succesful teams...

    winning 6 titles hasnt stopped you being bad losers....which if you think about it is pretty pathetic.... Shocked
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    Post by dont panic! Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:44 am

    here you go..some highlights:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFxL-VGSII

    funny how the excuse 'we are tired' sems to be valid with some teams but not others...odd that...
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:50 pm

    dont panic! wrote:here you go..some highlights:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFxL-VGSII

    funny how the excuse 'we are tired' sems to be valid with some teams but not others...odd that...
    Thank you so much for posting this, Shipshap. I wonder what we would do without your posts from deep down in your little Bunker, lost somewhere far behind enemy lines...but please, allow me at least to post you this link in return to bring some light where too often only darkness reigns... Wink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRAAPvr68VY
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    Post by Axeslammer Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:34 pm

    chrissicross wrote:
    dont panic! wrote:here you go..some highlights:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFxL-VGSII

    funny how the excuse 'we are tired' sems to be valid with some teams but not others...odd that...
    Thank you so much for posting this, Shipshap. I wonder what we would do without your posts from deep down in your little Bunker, lost somewhere far behind enemy lines...but please, allow me at least to post you this link in return to bring some light where too often only darkness reigns... Wink

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRAAPvr68VY

    Well at least it showed that he was right about the Cyprus goal *not* being offside...
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:44 pm

    Axeslammer ! wrote:Well at least it showed that he was right about the Cyprus goal *not* being offside...
    But that's hardly something new, isn't it? I mean at least everyone who watched the game on ZDF knows it wasn't offside, even Jogi Löw said this after the match...

    And btw, drawing against Cyprus is the same as losing anyway...so who cares? Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:56 pm

    dont panic! wrote:hmmm..if you guys are so happy and content with your own team...why do you constantly have a go at other teams?

    The only one who has a constant go at another country is you. Funny that every time Germany is losing a game or some of our idiotic "fans" are behaving rude abroad, don't panic is there to put in his two cents. No problem with that and btw it's rather amusing to read your posts but to allege us we're having a constant go at England sounds a bit weird then, doesn't it?
    You're certainly aware of the idiom "Wer im Glashaus sitzt, sollte nicht mit Steinen werfen." - in England you are having a similar one, haven't you? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    ..why the constant '66 was a con..luck...undeserved' rubbish?...get over it...

    I really don't know what you are talking about. You are sure you're living in Germany?
    Wembley was 40 years ago, I wasn't even born and I doubt that fans today are bothering their heads about it. If you are living in Germany then you should know that it is more a realistic discussion whether it was a goal or not, mainly because also after 40 years there is no answer to that question. No one in Germany begrudge you that victory and I've never heard someone saying England was not the worthy winner. Your paranoia is a bit frightening, don't you think.

    you dont see many fans of the most successful team in the world...(thats brazil by the way..not you guys) constantly whining about less succesful teams...winning 6 titles hasnt stopped you being bad losers....which if you think about it is pretty pathetic.... Shocked

    Of course Brazil is the most successful country, they won the WC 6 and Germany only 3 times Doh , so there is no question about Brazil is the best footballing nation, but I doubt that anyone in Germany ever questioned that, but as an Englander you might know us better than we are knowing our selves. But why do you think we are bad losers? Question

    funny how the excuse 'we are tired' sems to be valid with some teams but not others...odd that...

    Who cares how other countries are trying to excuse bad performances? I'm interested in the German national team and the reasons why they underperformed against Cyprus. If one of the reasons was tiredness then it is valid to use it, isn't is? Even though it was not the only reason...
    If England explains their bad performances during and after the WC with tiredness then please do that, why should we have a problem with that? If it is due to bad weather, the pitch or the disturbing croaking of frogs in a nearby lake then please excuse it with that, do whatever you want.

    anyway...germanys draw this week was very lucky...that has to be said...

    It was indeed lucky, but who cares. With a bit knowledge of football you also have to admit that a victory for Cyprus wouldn't have been deserved as well, so the draw is a fair result, I guess
    And btw we are heading the group that's all that counts, you should rather be bothered about England than Germany.
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    Post by Axeslammer Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:13 pm

    chrissicross wrote:
    Axeslammer ! wrote:Well at least it showed that he was right about the Cyprus goal *not* being offside...
    But that's hardly something new, isn't it? I mean at least everyone who watched the game on ZDF knows it wasn't offside, even Jogi Löw said this after the match...

    I hadn't seen it on tv....

    So when Don't Panic said it wasn't offside and a regular pro-German poster responded that it was miles offside I didn't know who to believe.

    Since everyone always makes it look like Don't Panic is zealous rabid nutcase I thought the goal was indeed offside.

    I'm quite surprised it turned out that Don't Panic was right.....propaganda is a powerful thing Sad
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:57 pm

    Superb post there Ballmädchen, says it all and saves us the bother.

    Axe: I'm assuming you mean me by "a regular pro-German poster", and if the goal has indeed been accepted as not offside, fine. I haven't had the chance to see it since the game, when the replay suggested that it was offside to me. To be quite honest I am STILL not sure on the rule here, as one regularly sees offsides given where the striker appears to be clearly more advanced than the defender, but there's no "clear air", as it were. This seemed to be the case here. Is the rule that there needs to be a clear gap between the attacking player and the defender for the position to be offside, that if ANY part of each player's body is level/parallel then that's not offside? If so why do we still routinely see these positions given offside?

    As has been said, a draw was nonetheless a fair result.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:21 pm

    Before people on here lose their sense of rationality:

    At least dont Panic sticks to insulting German football
    - unlike Otto, who has sifted through such varying subjects such as women, music, architecture, education, general culture,

    and is currently on food in the offtopic section. ok

    The gist of all these topics being that Germany is vastly superior in everyone of these fields to the poor pathetic Englanders. Ale

    Does make me wonder if true, then why would one swap the Paradise of Germany for our medieval island living? Whistle Laugh
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:04 pm

    Pele, I think it's fair to say that you're guilty of taking Otto too seriously – surprising in a way, because usually you are well aware of the correct spirit in which to approach his contributions.

    His persona on this board is that of a (deliberately one-eyed) piss artist. And a pretty damn good one at that, I think. Have you not considered the possibility that this is but one facet of the real-life Otto?

    Despite the shite he sometimes comes up with – and in criticizing him you seem to have forgotten that he'd be perfectly aware of when he's pushing it with the bullshit – I, for one, consider his overall contribution to this forum to be admirable.
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    Post by chrissicross Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:14 pm

    Allez_les_rouges wrote:Pele, I think it's fair to say that you're guilty of taking Otto too seriously – surprising in a way, because usually you are well aware of the correct spirit in which to approach his contributions.

    His persona on this board is that of a (deliberately one-eyed) piss artist. And a pretty damn good one at that, I think. Have you not considered the possibility that this is but one facet of the real-life Otto?

    Despite the shite he sometimes comes up with – and in criticizing him you seem to have forgotten that he'd be perfectly aware of when he's pushing it with the bullshit – I, for one, consider his overall contribution to this forum to be admirable.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:26 pm

    Allez_les_rouges wrote:Pele, I think it's fair to say that you're guilty of taking Otto too seriously – surprising in a way, because usually you are well aware of the correct spirit in which to approach his contributions.

    His persona on this board is that of a (deliberately one-eyed) piss artist. And a pretty damn good one at that, I think. Have you not considered the possibility that this is but one facet of the real-life Otto?

    Despite the shite he sometimes comes up with – and in criticizing him you seem to have forgotten that he'd be perfectly aware of when he's pushing it with the bullshit – I, for one, consider his overall contribution to this forum to be admirable.

    At times he is indeed amusing and funny, but admirable "overall contribution"? Considering his posts all follow exactly the same train of thought each time? The only thing stopping Otto being a complete bore is his flexible and impressive use of the English language.

    I like sparring with Otto. But do I take him too seriously? Wasnt aware that I took anyone overly seriously - this is just a messageboard after all.

    I'm simply defending the fact that Dont Panic is simply a less linguistic version of Otto <Ale>
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:16 pm

    Really? We won't be able to agree on this at all then... Aside from the eloquence, slight difference in tone too; wit and something to say on a wide variety of topics. Quite see why you'd think "change the record", but shurely the entertainment value counterbalances this? And the jocular tone would tend to warn people off getting too offended... (I speak as someone who didn't find e.g. "Da Svenni Code" quite as uproarious as some...)

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