Just what is it that makes John Terry so brilliant?

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:

TeamSpirit™ wrote:The deeper you sit - the easier it is to read the game.

The likes of Naybet, Chivu & Hyypia are slow, but have great reading.

Terry is slow but enjoys a level of protection only rivalled by George Dubya Bush visiting Iraq.

More than Nesta at Milan and Italy, with deep lying Gattuso and Pirlo in midfield, or Cannavaro at Madrid with Diarra and Emerson?

Nobody seems to mention their level of "protection".

Cannavaro is in the same catergory as Terry for me - $hit at Inter Milan.

Gattuso protects Pirlo more than anyone. Nesta was awesome at Lazio and has proven him self in a countless number of defensive systems.

S4P wrote:

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

Cannavaro is in the same catergory as Terry for me - $hit at Inter Milan.

Gattuso protects Pirlo more than anyone. Nesta was awesome at Lazio and has proven him self in a countless number of defensive systems.

But you don't think Terry has proven himself?

S4P wrote:

Agooner wrote:

S4P wrote:

Agooner wrote:
I never said he is passenger, as u said he is a pretty damn good defender but he lacks certain qualities in the modern game which makes him a very limited

And yet, he was ever present in the England side that kept 4/5 clean sheets at the world cup (including that fantastic athletic clearance off the line v Trinidad) and ever present in the Chelsea side which kept 20 Prem clean sheets last season, and kept 11 clean sheets in the Prem (in a row-about 25 in the season) the year before. Not bad for an average defender playing at the highest level.

play him in the barca or ivory coast team and you'll see what am talking about.

He'd improve Barca's defence no end (although they don't let you tackle in Spain anymore)

S4P wrote:

Agooner wrote:

S4P wrote:

Agooner wrote:
I never said he is passenger, as u said he is a pretty damn good defender but he lacks certain qualities in the modern game which makes him a very limited

And yet, he was ever present in the England side that kept 4/5 clean sheets at the world cup (including that fantastic athletic clearance off the line v Trinidad) and ever present in the Chelsea side which kept 20 Prem clean sheets last season, and kept 11 clean sheets in the Prem (in a row-about 25 in the season) the year before. Not bad for an average defender playing at the highest level.

play him in the barca or ivory coast team and you'll see what am talking about.

He'd improve Barca's defence no end (although they don't let you tackle in Spain anymore)

Agooner wrote:
Dellas looked great in the extremely organised greek side, was he the same for roma?no . Similar to Terry.

Messiah wrote:
WHO terry? if so he playing in our high line will little are no protection 90% of the time he would look like a play ground defender.

TeamSpirit wrote:

Agooner wrote:
Dellas looked great in the extremely organised greek side, was he the same for roma?no . Similar to Terry.

Exactly

S4P wrote:

Keano Is God wrote:

S4P wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:A 10/10 rating in Monday's Sun Supergoals - given before he's even stepped on the pitch.

You're thinking of Rio Ferdinand there.

What was the rating he was given for the Dutch game? A 9/10 wasn't it?

remember him playing much better than terry that night, the mix up with richards for the goal aside

Oh yeah, he made more tackles that night (because the Dutch tried to expose him), but I mean, come on, a ball playing centre half?

Keano Is God wrote:

S4P wrote:

Keano Is God wrote:

S4P wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:A 10/10 rating in Monday's Sun Supergoals - given before he's even stepped on the pitch.

You're thinking of Rio Ferdinand there.

What was the rating he was given for the Dutch game? A 9/10 wasn't it?

remember him playing much better than terry that night, the mix up with richards for the goal aside

Oh yeah, he made more tackles that night (because the Dutch tried to expose him), but I mean, come on, a ball playing centre half?

made more headers aswell as terry couldnt deal with them. and to be fair ferdinand is a cocky defender rather than a ball playing centre half

S4P wrote:

@ TS

I can ask the same question. What has Rio ever done for England to be classed as so much better than Terry. He's been in the same team as Terry which has produced a lot of clean sheets in the last couple of years, even with a poor goalkeeper.

In fact, England did worse pre-Terry than they do now.

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

S4P wrote:

@ TS

I can ask the same question. What has Rio ever done for England to be classed as so much better than Terry. He's been in the same team as Terry which has produced a lot of clean sheets in the last couple of years, even with a poor goalkeeper.

In fact, England did worse pre-Terry than they do now.

2 flawless Flawless World Cups.

The fact that Man Utd fell apart defensively without him in 2003-04.

Funny that in the last 3 years, England's opponents best chances generally seem to come from an "uncharacteristic" Terry lapse.

i.e. Austria away, Parades & Tenorio in the World Cup, outjumped by Postiga, Miskick vs. Jamaica - I could go on forever baby...

The Coolest wrote:

Based on his form in the last few months, I think it's worth asking the question again

Sheffield gunner wrote:

The Coolest wrote:

Based on his form in the last few months, I think it's worth asking the question again

Do you read 'the Fiver' on the Guardian website? They had quite an amusing pisstake of Terry the other day.

THICK AS A BRICK ... IN A GLASSHOUSE

As Avram Grant drags his surly also-rans up to Goodison Park for tonight's tryst with Everton - a match that's been rendered as meaningless as zgfhzxkagkatyg by Chelsea's flower show against Wigan on Monday - there's one key question the Fiver feels compelled to answer: who is Chelsea's weakest link? Before considering the evidence, we can, of course, rule out two unlikely suspects: England wonder Joe Cole, whose omission from the starting line-up against Wigan is the rusty iron bar with which manager Grant has mostly been beaten this week; and John Terry, the club's biggest earner and the hero who only last Thursday proudly identified himself as central to Chelsea's success, righteously simpering that Arsenal collapsed because they lack "an English spine".

So who's to blame? Foreign flops such as Andriy Shevchenko, Michael Ballack and Florent Malouda? Serial whinger Didier Drogba, who may or may not be as confused about which club he wants to play for as card magnet Mikel John Obi once was? Grant, who took over when Chelsea were fifth in the league and threatened with European elimination and has since hauled them up to second and the semi-finals of Big Cup? Allow the Fiver to tidy itself up so it looks as criminally dishevelled as Columbo and it will reveal the answer ...

The fact, bored readers, is that only one player has started all of Chelsea's most flaccid performances: Monday's Wigan let-down; the equally shambolic home draw with Rosenborg that cost the Special One his job; the 0-0 ordeal against Fulham; the Carling Cup disgrace against Spurs; the 4-4 fiasco with those same Spurs; the league humblings by Manchester United, Arsenal and Aston Villa; and, of course, the FA Cup humiliation by Barnsley. The player in question? Why, it couldn't be ... yes! It's none other than England's Brave John Terry who, far from being the proud owner of a mighty English backbone, is merely blessed with one hell of a brass neck.

S4P wrote:How can you blame a defender for a 0-0 draw?

The rest is just one bad agenda. It really is an awful article.

The Coolest wrote:

S4P wrote:How can you blame a defender for a 0-0 draw?

The rest is just one bad agenda. It really is an awful article.

Shock Horror - but i agree.

I could do a much, much better job of discrediting EBJT.