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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:29 pm

    http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=408057&CPID=8&clid=3&lid=10&title=Gunners+win+Merida+race

    Arsenal have won the race for Spanish wonderkid Fran Merida, with the 16-year-old opting to join The Gunners after leaving Barcelona.

    The hugely promising midfielder is in London to put the final touches to the transfer which sees him follow in the footsteps of Cesc Fabregas in swapping Camp Nou for Arsene Wenger's side at a young age.

    Merida scored for an Arsenal XI in a 4-0 win over Boreham Wood on Friday night and will now hope to enjoy the same rapid rise through the Gunners ranks as his much-vaunted compatriot.

    Merida's arrival as the club enter a new era at the Emirates Stadium is a sizeable coup for Arsenal given the large level of interest in the player, with Manchester United and Liverpool both keen on the skilful midfielder.

    However his capture may come with its own problems as Barcelona are believed to be looking into the possibility of involving Uefa given their anger at losing another young prospect to English shores.

    Fabregas and Manchester United's Gerard Pique both departed in 2003 and Merida's exit is also contentious due to the fact that reports in the Spanish media in March claimed that Merida's agent Joseba Diaz, who also represents Fabregas, had been keeping the player away from the Catalan side in order to secure his passage to The Premiership.

    Arsenal are no strangers to transfer controversy having angered clubs in the past due to the captures of players such as Nicolas Anelka and Mathieu Flamini, but Merida will now be focused on carving out a successful career for himself under the watchful guidance of Wenger.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:29 pm

    F@!k Merida if he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place and the Best club in the world. then let him go to arstealsenal . From this day forth I declare war on arstealsenal. i pray that they all die in a plane crash are something like that. Why can't they just try and develop their own wiz kids like us.

    Lets see at the end of their careers how will have won the most honours at club Level.

    Dos Santos/Fran Merida
    Messi/Cesc

    If a find the dirty F?@king agent i will kill him.

    But great midfielders are a gem a dozen in La Masia anyways.

    So once Again F*?k Them All

    Forza Barca.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:29 pm

    Supercalifabregastic... wrote:
    i pray that they all die in a plane crash are something like that. Why can't they just try and develop their own wiz kids like us.

    That's just plain sick.

    And you would have thought Barca would have learnt by now, why on earth did you let him go.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:30 pm

    Messiah wrote:
    Supercalifabregastic... wrote:
    i pray that they all die in a plane crash are something like that. Why can't they just try and develop their own wiz kids like us.

    That's just plain sick.

    And you would have thought Barca would have learnt by now, why on earth did you let him go.

    Yes it sick but they just piss me off.

    we didn't let him go its is F**king Agent that did all of this
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:30 pm

    wouldnt worry lads. mr lampard has stated in the press today that he could see himself playing for barca in the future. a chance for you to steal some real english talent from chelsea Razz

    Chelsea's Frank Lampard says he wants a move to Camp Nou to meet up with his buddy Ronaldinho.

    Chelsea midfielder Frank Lampard admits he wants to join Barcelona - should he ever leave Stamford Bridge.

    And the prospect of joining Barca grew when Lampard chatted with Ronaldinho after Chelsea's Champions League defeat last season.

    Lampard, whose current Chelsea deal runs until 2009, told the News of the World: "After the game, Roni came over and we swapped shirts and embraced.

    "It was a mark of respect and friendship. Then he smiled at me in this particular way and joked that one day we would be playing for the same team.

    "I thought about what he meant. There had been a lot of rumours about Barca's interest in me and Roni had always been very generous about me in interviews.

    "The Barca directors had also been very friendly towards me at the World Player of the Year event.

    "Barca was the European team I was most interested in as a child in the days of Maradona, Romario and Ronaldo.

    "I have always been intrigued by their stadium and I grew to love the city - more so since I have known my fiancee Elen and we have visited her family there."

    "People have suggested that Elen's roots may be a reason for me leaving Chelsea. But she has never tried to influence me, and she's happy wherever my career takes me.

    "To have your name mentioned as a possible recruit for Barca is an honour.

    "If I ever had an ambition to play abroad, Barca would be one of the clubs I would want to play for."
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:30 pm

    Look, if Merida decides to play for Arsenal that's his perogative. Nothing wrong with Arsenal picking up a 16 year old it's perfectly fair dealings. Barcelona clearly have a very good youth system and they're churning out some great kids, but they're not getting through to anywhere near the first team - or not until they're in their twenties. Arsenal offer a very talented kid the chance to progess further and to play real football matches much sooner than he would at Barca. Of course Merida is enticed by that - he's seen what's happened to Cesc. Who can say that Cesc's move to Arsenal was bad for his football and bad for Spain? Nobody. Why shouldn't Merida do the same. If Barca are losing these kids then they have to think why this is happening. A player with the potential of Merida is not going to sit around until 22/23 before he starts to feature in the 1t team. Arsenal and Arsene will bring him on further. His education is not complete and Arsenal will help him a good deal.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:31 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:
    Freddie Or Not wrote:Look, if Merida decides to play for Arsenal that's his perogative. Nothing wrong with Arsenal picking up a 16 year old it's perfectly fair dealings. Barcelona clearly have a very good youth system and they're churning out some great kids, but they're not getting through to anywhere near the first team - or not until they're in their twenties. Arsenal offer a very talented kid the chance to progess further and to play real football matches much sooner than he would at Barca. Of course Merida is enticed by that - he's seen what's happened to Cesc. Who can say that Cesc's move to Arsenal was bad for his football and bad for Spain? Nobody. Why shouldn't Merida do the same. If Barca are losing these kids then they have to think why this is happening. A player with the potential of Merida is not going to sit around until 22/23 before he starts to feature in the 1t team. Arsenal and Arsene will bring him on further. His education is not complete and Arsenal will help him a good deal.

    Its great for Spain, seeing as thanks to Arsenal these kids are acutally given a chance and not lost down the road. Its just sad Barça keep the foreign players and cant hold on to the spanish ones. If Barça`s B team was in " segunda " most of the young spanish players wouldnt have to leave Spain, they would get a chance at another spanish club.
    BTW, Has anyone actually seen Merida play ?
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:31 pm

    Messiah wrote:
    Freddie Or Not wrote:Look, if Merida decides to play for Arsenal that's his perogative. Nothing wrong with Arsenal picking up a 16 year old it's perfectly fair dealings. Barcelona clearly have a very good youth system and they're churning out some great kids, but they're not getting through to anywhere near the first team - or not until they're in their twenties. Arsenal offer a very talented kid the chance to progess further and to play real football matches much sooner than he would at Barca. Of course Merida is enticed by that - he's seen what's happened to Cesc. Who can say that Cesc's move to Arsenal was bad for his football and bad for Spain? Nobody. Why shouldn't Merida do the same. If Barca are losing these kids then they have to think why this is happening. A player with the potential of Merida is not going to sit around until 22/23 before he starts to feature in the 1t team. Arsenal and Arsene will bring him on further. His education is not complete and Arsenal will help him a good deal.

    the point is that arstealnal should stop tapping up our youth players and if thier going to do so at least go through the right channels instead of steal them away. and i'm not just talking about barca they do it to almost very club.

    Xavi,Iniesta are puyol didn't get thier first team debut until they were in thier 20s. and look were they are now its ovious that this is the right to develop talent and not put them in at the deep end at just 16/17 especially in the midfield.

    it they didn't want to stay and fight then let them leave. we have two are more of them coming up through the ranks.

    Iniesta waited and look at him now 21 and will soon have won every major title at club level

    @ La Saeta Rubia.

    who many spanish youngster do Rm have coming up that will acturally player for them.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:31 pm

    Pretty disgraceful on part of te Agent & Arsenal. He was obviously tapped up. It goes on everywhere, but the EPL clubs at the moment have been particularly bad. They're also after Dos Santos, but he won't be going anywhere. Better make sure this doesn't happen to Bojan either.


    What sort of player is Merida anyway? Something like Fabregas?

    Anyway as somone said, if he doesn't want to fight for a place, then I guess he's not the right player for the club. Iniesta & Fab were in similar positions. Fab went and made a name for himself at Arsenal. Iniesta stayed as is now getting regular first team football and is a CL & La Liga winner. His next task is to cement a regular spot for Spain. He should have played more at the WC. I don't think he is far off Xavi atm, and will probably overtake him as a player.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:32 pm

    even dough i dont like barca that much i still feel they are being robbed.
    they do all the work and other clubs hijack them.La Saeta Rubia might be right about the segunda thing.but they wont be able to get their if the keep losing talent.
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    Post by waft the Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:59 pm

    are you really 70 years old and why are you replying to your own messages? im confused
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    Post by COTR Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:04 am

    he's pasting from the other board
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    Post by waft the Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:07 am

    ahhh i see...it'l take a long time wont it
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    Post by COTR Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:08 am

    Drugster wrote:ahhh i see...it'l take a long time wont it
    some things need to be done...

    also some people will go to very weird lengths just to get their posts counts up
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:31 am

    post count? whats that?

    lol Razz na we were getting a goof debate going so i thought i'd post it here
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    Post by toon h Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:41 am

    where's my comment on the satellite club they need to get going where they can park their talents? Some Portugues club like Leiria or something.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:09 am

    Well to be honest, applying the cesc arguement, merida wouldn't have eVer made the first team at Barca anyway so it makes sense for him to come to us.

    Its not as if wenger is going to ruin his career Wink
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    Post by 110% Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:45 pm

    since messi is argentinian I assume he wasn't born in barcelona, so they got him from somewhere right?

    so first of all barcelona offered these kids a chance to develop and play, but then they get stuck in the reserves and another team comes along and offers them other opportunities and they decide to leave. Nothing wrong with that, as pointed out it helped cesc develop. While he should be grateful to barcelona he doesn't owe them his life, if he wasn't any good they'd dump him in a second, as they probably have done with lots of players.

    Always happened to the smaller teams in every country, only reason it is being mentioned as a problem is that it is happening to a big team now?
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    Post by Freddie Or Not Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:05 pm

    110% wrote:since messi is argentinian I assume he wasn't born in barcelona, so they got him from somewhere right?

    so first of all barcelona offered these kids a chance to develop and play, but then they get stuck in the reserves and another team comes along and offers them other opportunities and they decide to leave. Nothing wrong with that, as pointed out it helped cesc develop. While he should be grateful to barcelona he doesn't owe them his life, if he wasn't any good they'd dump him in a second, as they probably have done with lots of players.

    Always happened to the smaller teams in every country, only reason it is being mentioned as a problem is that it is happening to a big team now?

    Exactly. Merida will benefit from being at Arsenal. He's looking at the best part of a decade in the reserves at Barca.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:02 am

    110% wrote:since messi is argentinian I assume he wasn't born in barcelona, so they got him from somewhere right?

    so first of all barcelona offered these kids a chance to develop and play, but then they get stuck in the reserves and another team comes along and offers them other opportunities and they decide to leave. Nothing wrong with that, as pointed out it helped cesc develop. While he should be grateful to barcelona he doesn't owe them his life, if he wasn't any good they'd dump him in a second, as they probably have done with lots of players.

    Always happened to the smaller teams in every country, only reason it is being mentioned as a problem is that it is happening to a big team now?

    You forget that a large part of the problem is that English teams have sh*t youth academies and prey on other clubs had work. Also Englsih teams exploit the fact that in Spain you cannot offer a pro contract until 17 and thereby commit the player. Therefore the Englsih teams can come along and offer more money and 'promises' of first team football. Don't kid yourselves, just because Fabregas turned out well, doesn't mean that you won't have Mérida moaning in 2-3 years time about the lack of opportunities.. (playing in the Mickey Mouse Carling Cup is hardly real first team football)
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:13 am

    well if Merida is still only playing in the Carling cup in three years, I doubt Wenger will be too bohtered with flogging him off Wink
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    Post by 110% Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:05 pm

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:
    110% wrote:since messi is argentinian I assume he wasn't born in barcelona, so they got him from somewhere right?

    so first of all barcelona offered these kids a chance to develop and play, but then they get stuck in the reserves and another team comes along and offers them other opportunities and they decide to leave. Nothing wrong with that, as pointed out it helped cesc develop. While he should be grateful to barcelona he doesn't owe them his life, if he wasn't any good they'd dump him in a second, as they probably have done with lots of players.

    Always happened to the smaller teams in every country, only reason it is being mentioned as a problem is that it is happening to a big team now?

    You forget that a large part of the problem is that English teams have sh*t youth academies and prey on other clubs had work. Also Englsih teams exploit the fact that in Spain you cannot offer a pro contract until 17 and thereby commit the player. Therefore the Englsih teams can come along and offer more money and 'promises' of first team football. Don't kid yourselves, just because Fabregas turned out well, doesn't mean that you won't have Mérida moaning in 2-3 years time about the lack of opportunities.. (playing in the Mickey Mouse Carling Cup is hardly real first team football)

    My point was not about that. My point was about barcelona fans complaining about this, when they have clearly poached messi from somewhere (at what age is poaching acceptable?), and how many other spanish youngsters from various clubs around spain. Why should a player not move somewhere to have a chance to play instead of playing for years in the reserves. The club would drop him in a second if he was not good, or keep him in the reserves until he does turn out to be decent or eventaully drop him. All this is for the good of the club but not good for the player.

    At least with another club (whether english or not) he might have the chance to play and develop which is good both for him and the club. Ideally he might go to another spanish club, but why not another country?

    Plus it is talked about as a major problem by barca fans as regards barcelona and arsenal, but apart from cesc who else has it happend to/with?
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:41 pm

    no i think messi moved to barca when he was younger
    well he moved to catalonia and he accepted a barca offer instead of madrird or somthing

    but arsenal always try and sign barca players its just not reported worldwide
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    Post by Kevin Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:45 pm

    punty wrote:no i think messi moved to barca when he was younger
    well he moved to catalonia and he accepted a barca offer instead of madrird or somthing

    but arsenal always try and sign barca players its just not reported worldwide

    Give me other examples apart from Merida and Cesc.
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    Post by 110% Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:47 pm

    punty wrote:no i think messi moved to barca when he was younger
    well he moved to catalonia and he accepted a barca offer instead of madrird or somthing

    but arsenal always try and sign barca players its just not reported worldwide

    and barcelona have never tried to sign players in other teams' youth systems? e.g. around spain, especially from nearby clubs?

    and you think that milan, juve, etc don't sign players from the nearby smaller teams into their youth system, same as manu, liverpool in England. I have a feeling that Arsenal do it less because the players from london have more chance in teams like West ham and Charlton, so they have to look abroad more maybe.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:53 pm

    Kevin wrote:
    punty wrote:no i think messi moved to barca when he was younger
    well he moved to catalonia and he accepted a barca offer instead of madrird or somthing

    but arsenal always try and sign barca players its just not reported worldwide

    Give me other examples apart from Merida and Cesc.

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    Post by 110% Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:58 pm

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:
    Kevin wrote:
    punty wrote:no i think messi moved to barca when he was younger
    well he moved to catalonia and he accepted a barca offer instead of madrird or somthing

    but arsenal always try and sign barca players its just not reported worldwide

    Give me other examples apart from Merida and Cesc.

    Piqué...

    would any of them actually be playing for barcelona now?

    what you're actually annoyed about is that you lost out on the transfer fee, which is understandable, but I see that as arsenal being clever more than anything else. If you wnat to be annoyed with someone then be annoyed with the player and his agent
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    Post by golsud Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:09 pm

    Mad

    Why don't they have their own academy?!
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    Post by 110% Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:12 pm

    cule604 wrote:Mad

    Why don't they have their own academy?!

    Problem is more that more clubs might start poaching from your academy after cesc made it?

    although there is nothing to say that cesc would be so good at barcelona
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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:13 pm

    Barca didn't poach messi; dos Santos are bojan from any club. Messi was in barca for treatment for and illness, dos Santos father carried to the club and bojan is Catalan.
    And the ones that we did poach like iniesta we went though the right channels to get him, when we could have done what arstealna did.

    The hold argument is that arsenal doesn’t go about their business in a respectful manner. id they wanted the player they should have came though the front door and not the back. And when a club tries that with them they play the hypocritical role about it.

    As far as I’m concern Cesc, pique and Merida can they agent can fuck off. If they don't want to fight to wear the colors of barca then let them go. Midfielder are a gem a dozen in la masia. The one that I’m really pissed about is pique and we have olmo now so I don't care anymore.

    messi and iniesta were will to stay and fight and they have won everything one needs to win at club level and iniesta is two league titles away from winning more league titles than, henry. So they can fuck off

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