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    The Joey Barton situation

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    Post by shazlx Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:59 pm

    For many people Joey Barton represents everything that is wrong with today’s football. He has been accused of being a disloyal money grabber by many of his own supporters, however the following article does give a different side to the situation. It seems his agent has been deliberately trying to unsettle him to get him transferred to another club even though Barton himself is happy to stay at Man City. This raises an important question in football. Are footballers exploited?

    Its difficult for the average football fan to imagine that an adult multimillionaire who is living his dream could be exploited. But consider this. A football club will always be cold hearted when it comes to footballers, they show zero loyalty and will happily get rid (sell, offload) a player when interests them. They will also always try to pay a player as little as possible (like any other business). For this reason footballers do not trust their clubs and so they employ an outside agent to represents their interests. But as these agents are usually paid on a percentage basis, they will inherently want to make sure that the player is at the club who will pay the highest wage - not the club where he will win the most trophies, be happiest, play the best football etc. Furthermore, the agent will make money from transfers so will also want the player to make as many transfers as possible.

    The agents priority is not the players football, happiness or reputation but money. So the agents will encourage the player to act in a way that he would not usually do, to serve the interest of the agent – which he perceives to be his own interest. You can argue that players are adults and should be able to make up their own minds as to what they want. However, most players gave up their education to concentrate on their football. There’s no reason to assume the stereotype of the thick footballer is not true for many of the stars of the premiership. Just look at players like R. Ferdianand, A.Cole. S. Gerrard. W. Rooney etc.

    So are players being manipulated by there agents to do things that they wouldn’t ordinarily do, or are players just ‘greedy cunts’.

    Article from the Guardian. http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1993009,00.html

    Joey Barton is to consider severing ties with his agent, Willie McKay, after becoming infuriated this week with his Monaco-based representative's involvement in the confusion surrounding his future at Manchester City.
    The 24-year-old midfielder felt moved to stress his desire to stay at Eastlands in the wake of Tuesday's FA Cup third-round replay victory over Sheffield Wednesday after McKay had publicly suggested earlier in the day that his client might wish to speak to Everton about a potential £5.5m transfer. Barton is understood to have telephoned his agent before the game and expressed his displeasure at those comments, with the player reiterating that he is unwilling to consider a move during the current transfer window.
    He subsequently stated that "people are trying to unsettle me", an apparent reference to McKay. The rift appears to date back almost exactly a year when Barton was advised by his representative to submit a written transfer request on the eve of the closure of the winter window on the understanding that a number of clubs then competing in the Champions League were intent upon signing him. That interest never materialised, forcing him, embarrassingly, to withdraw the request and see the season out at City.
    McKay did secure his client a lucrative new four-year contract in the summer but the City manager, Stuart Pearce, suggested after Tuesday's victory that Barton might no longer be associated with the agent, whom he joined in 2005 after leaving SFX Sports Management. "I am not even sure that Willie McKay is his agent," said Pearce. "I would check that if I was you. My advice is to check at the FA to see if he actually is his agent."
    The Football Association last night refused to confirm or deny whether McKay was formally registered to negotiate for Barton, but the agent himself was more forthcoming. "I have an informal agreement with Joey and I have spoken with him today. Until I'm told otherwise I am still his agent," he said.
    Yet, intriguingly, it has also emerged that Phil Smith, who runs the First Artist agency with his brother Jon, has been dealing with Barton's commercial interests for some time, which suggests there may be scope for the player to move into that stable. However, Smith was quick to insist last night that there have been no discussions regarding any further representation of the player.
    McKay denies having attempted to move Barton on, despite stating on Tuesday that Everton "along with three or four other clubs" had declared an interest. The Merseysiders' manager, David Moyes, was ruing his inability to sign Barton and may now wait until the end of the season before adding to his midfield. "Obviously we would like to add to the squad this month and we know what we would like to bring in," he said. "We are looking around but the prices at the moment are inflated and the quality of player available is very limited."
    Everton's disappointment at missing out on Barton may be mirrored at Chelsea after the midfielder's team-mate, Micah Richards, followed his lead in pledging his future to the club. The England international had attracted interest from the champions but the 18-year-old has stressed that he sees his future at City.
    "I want to stay at Manchester City Football Club," he said. "I've been at the club since I was 14 and I've been playing since I was 17. I'm happy to stay at this club. I haven't really paid much attention to the speculation. The gaffer gave me a chance when I was 17 and I want to repay him."
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:03 pm

    Well there's no denying that Barton is definately a thug, the whole deal with his bro goes some way towards explaining the background he was brought up in and thus goes some way towards explaining the way he sometimes acts.

    Agents are very manipulative though, after all, they make most of their money through transfers (especialy if their selling to Bolton Whistle).

    But the player should at least realise what the agent is trying to do. Barton was 23 when this all happened, it wasn't as though he was a naive 18 year old
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:03 pm

    Seven dead as UK struck by storms
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6272193.stm
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    Post by theflyingfrenchman Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:04 pm

    McKay is probably the most money grabbing whore of an agent in the league.
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    Post by Kimbo Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:05 pm

    Saintsarama wrote:Seven dead as UK struck by storms
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6272193.stm
    Riiiiiiiigght... scratch
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:06 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Well there's no denying that Barton is definately a thug, the whole deal with his bro goes some way towards explaining the background he was brought up in and thus goes some way towards explaining the way he sometimes acts.

    Agents are very manipulative though, after all, they make most of their money through transfers (especialy if their selling to Bolton Whistle).

    Because Arsenal's transfers have just been whiter than white, haven't they?

    cough, Silvinho, cough, Fabregas

    But the player should at least realise what the agent is trying to do. Barton was 23 when this all happened, it wasn't as though he was a naive 18 year old

    True, Barton's either stupid or just doesn't care. Needs to put in a solid year of performances without any of this other crap if he's to be considered by a top club (which I could see him playing for, eventually).
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:10 pm

    Saintsarama wrote:

    Because Arsenal's transfers have just been whiter than white, haven't they?

    cough, Silvinho, cough, Fabregas

    True, although this was a few years ago now and it was clearly a joke anyhow, I just noticed that FF was on.

    Why have you tried to ruin the thread by posting the storm death stories?
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:12 pm

    Tweedle wrote:

    Why have you tried to ruin the thread by posting the storm death stories?

    Ruin? No. Provide context for? Perhaps.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:12 pm

    Barton- quality player though. Too good for Everton
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:14 pm

    Saintsarama wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:

    Why have you tried to ruin the thread by posting the storm death stories?

    Ruin? No. Provide context for? Perhaps.

    Could have posted it anywhere on here though to be fair (its own thread in the of topic section would ave been my choice)
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:16 pm

    I've already told you, I don't like starting new threads. I started one yesterday, so I've got to keep my average down. I could ask for my own thread, but I'm not a twat.

    hint hint
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:21 pm

    Saintsarama wrote:I've already told you, I don't like starting new threads. I started one yesterday, so I've got to keep my average down. I could ask for my own thread, but I'm not a twat.

    hint hint

    If you get your own thread then so do I.

    I'd promise to refrain from winking outside of it Wink
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:29 pm

    We could have a thread for both of us, otherwise it's just egotistical...
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    Post by shazlx Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:42 pm

    Saintsarama wrote:I've already told you, I don't like starting new threads. I started one yesterday, so I've got to keep my average down. I could ask for my own thread, but I'm not a twat.

    hint hint

    So you decided to ruin what could have been a good thread.
    I think shit like this is why people are complaining about the decreasing quality of the EMB
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:39 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    Saintsarama wrote:I've already told you, I don't like starting new threads. I started one yesterday, so I've got to keep my average down. I could ask for my own thread, but I'm not a twat.

    hint hint

    So you decided to ruin what could have been a good thread.

    Go fuck yourself, I ruined nothing. If posting one link to another story ruins your thread then it obviously wasn't much to begin with, was it?

    I think shit like this is why people are complaining about the decreasing quality of the EMB

    Hardly. Go fuck your mother.
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    Post by Kevin Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:34 pm

    Good combeack saints. Nothing like showing your intelleect is there?
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:38 pm

    Kevin wrote:Good combeack saints. Nothing like showing your intelleect is there?

    I offer it to those who deserve it. Some random useless Arsenal fan blaming me for everything doesn't deserve it.
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    Post by shazlx Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:39 pm

    Saintsarama wrote:
    shazlx wrote:
    Saintsarama wrote:I've already told you, I don't like starting new threads. I started one yesterday, so I've got to keep my average down. I could ask for my own thread, but I'm not a twat.

    hint hint

    So you decided to ruin what could have been a good thread.

    Go fuck yourself, I ruined nothing. If posting one link to another story ruins your thread then it obviously wasn't much to begin with, was it?

    I think shit like this is why people are complaining about the decreasing quality of the EMB

    Hardly. Go fuck your mother.

    Why take an aggressive tone for no apparent reason? How is posting something completely Off-topic not ruining a thread? They have an off-topic board for that here’s the link :http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/General-Off-Topic-Discussion-c3/Off-Topic-Discussion-f8.htm

    If you don't want to create another thread then bump one of your own threads and post something completely irrelevant.
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:43 pm

    shazlx wrote:
    Why take an aggressive tone for no apparent reason?

    You accuse me of ruining your thread, and the whole board, and you think that I've no reason for taking an aggressive tone?

    Remember, you made this personal, not me.


    How is posting something completely Off-topic not ruining a thread?

    If you had more imagination, you might have worked out that the discussion about whether footballers have a realistic view of their lives, and my posting that news story, are intimately connected.

    They have an off-topic board for that here’s the link :http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/General-Off-Topic-Discussion-c3/Off-Topic-Discussion-f8.htm

    And now you're trying to patronise me, despite you being a jonny come lately on the forum.

    Forget fucking your mother, I'll do it for you. Unless she's dead.

    If you don't want to create another thread then bump one of your own threads and post something completely irrelevant.

    If I wanted your advice then I'd ask for it.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:14 pm

    shazlx wrote:There’s no reason to assume the stereotype of the thick footballer is not true for many of the stars of the premiership. Just look at players like R. Ferdinand, A.Cole. S. Gerrard. W. Rooney etc.

    Whatever people think of him as a player he certainly isn't thick.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:24 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    But the player should at least realise what the agent is trying to do. Barton was 23 when this all happened, it wasn't as though he was a naive 18 year old

    you forget that 99% of footballers are dumb as snot..
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:26 pm

    Saints - what's the bird saying ?

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