Is Scolari really that deluded?

Ok, so Scolari allegedly says that Ronaldo should join barca. Its bollocks though isn't it? clearly!

For as start lets take the comparison of Ronaldo and Quaresma.

Ronaldo is 22 and Quaresma is 23 and 4 years ago both joined Man Utd and Barcelona respectively. Fast forward 4 years and whilst Ronaldo has gone from strenght to strength at Utd placing himself amongst the best 5 footballers on the planet, Quaresma struggled to settle in Barcelona, hampering his development and it has only been since his return to Portugal after one season at Barca that he began to show what he was capable of.

So was the move to Barcelona good for Quaresma? NO

So why the fuck would one of the most respected football managers on the planet say that its a good idea for Ronaldo?

Sure he's is much more experienced now but for a start Messi and Ronaldinho, the best footballer and best prodigé on the planet adopt very similar positions to Ronaldo.

The guy that thought this one up deserves to be ocked up with Jade for a week

Good points Tweeds.

But the Barcelona of today as opposed to the side of four years ago is beyond recognition. Today they are by far the best side in Europe when everything clicks. Their team excite fans from all over the globe with there skills and flair. The team when Quaresma joined was simply put hopeless. Didn't they play UEFA Cup football that season? and go through managers like van Gaal and Antic?

Quaresma joined at the worst possible time.

Any player in world football now would flourish at Barca, providing Rijkaard was in charge.

Rijkaard got rid of Quersma i think. Anyway he got a bad injury and that kind of ruined it for him. He has improved a lot since then. The Sun said the team stuff was a swipe at real madrid and why he shouldn't join them not man utd. I doubt he said any of it anyway. Scolari wants to manage in England so why would he say that i don't know.

True, but surely that would have been the best time for Quaresma to join as he would have been more likely to get some first team opportunities? Nowadays is a player like Quaresma at the age of 18 joined he'd probably even be behind Dos Santos in the pecking order.

The fact of the matter is who would Barca drop?

The only way i could see it happen is if they sell Messi to Inter (there havve been the rumours) - in that case it could set off a transfer frenzy as they could then bid for Ronaldo and Man Utd might then sell him and try and sign someone else.....

That would be interesting but I still can't see Barca selling Messi or Inter being stupid enough to bid £50m for him

One of the main reasons Quaresma was kicked out at Barca was to be part of the Deco deal. Deco of course was one of the Worlds most wanted players in 2004.

Barcelona had already bought Eto'o, Marguez, Gio etc so they could go out and buy Deco purely with money. A player needed to be used.

Tweedle wrote:
That would be interesting but I still can't see United selling Ronaldo or Barca being stupid enough to bid £50m for him

Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:
That would be interesting but I still can't see United selling Ronaldo or Barca being stupid enough to bid £50m for him

:k:

You think Ronaldo is worth a lot less than £50m then?

@ cesc

My point is that Quaresma made the wrong choice and Ronaldo made the right choice and that it would be ridiculous for Scolari to tell Ronaldo to join the club that was the wrong choice for Quaresma

Unless Barca sell Messi to Inter or Ronaldinho to Milan (I doubt either players would go to Italy and either teams could afford them) there is no reason for Ronaldo to go there. None of them will be happy sitting on the bench and as for joining Real (this summer), I doubt he wants to play for a boring rubbish team, infront of a crowd waving white flags.

I'm just getting bored of saying it.

It's not what he's worth on the market, its the fact we just don't need to sell. So why not laugh at people who come in with offers of £30, £35, £40 million.

Rez wrote:Unless Barca sell Messi to Inter or Ronaldinho to Milan (I doubt either players would go to Italy and either teams could afford them) there is no reason for Ronaldo to go there. None of them will be happy sitting on the bench and as for joining Real (this summer), I doubt he wants to play for a boring rubbish team, infront of a crowd waving white flags.

It's the lifestyle, Have you seen Ronaldinho's place next to the beach it's amazing. While Ronaldo has a little thing in cold wet manchester. He wont go he has a connection with the fans now and will get a huge pay deal. Before he was on a lot less than rooney the fans didnt really like him of course he considered leaving. But the lifestyle is so muchj better in spain

PS I am sick of hearing about Ronaldo, I think I prefered it when everyone called him a one trick pony with no end product, despite being more 'productive' than any other winger in the league.

@LRD

I think he will leave eventually, as hes from Portugal, so Spanish football was always going to be his natural enviroment.

Manchester cant compete with Madrid/Barcelona in terms of lifestyle, everyone knows that and thats why everyone accepts that Rooney will play for united his whole carrer but Ronaldo probably wont.

At the moment joining Real would be a dissaster for his career and joining Barca (in terms of playing time) wouldnt be much better. Barca have a perfect system with Messi, Ronnie and Eto, bringing Ronaldo would upset the balance.

Rez wrote:Unless Barca sell Messi to Inter or Ronaldinho to Milan (I doubt either players would go to Italy and either teams could afford them) there is no reason for Ronaldo to go there. None of them will be happy sitting on the bench and as for joining Real (this summer), I doubt he wants to play for a boring rubbish team, infront of a crowd waving white flags.

You don't think Inter or Milan could afford Messi or Ronaldinho? They are bankrolled by two of the richest patrons in the world.

As for not wanting to go there...I could see Ronaldinho go because of the Brazilian presence, and Berlusconi is ready to offer him a wad of cash.

C Ronaldo-----Eto'o------Ronaldinho


that would be beautiful to see... that's all I know.

Parks lives wrote:I'm just getting bored of saying it.

It's not what he's worth on the market, its the fact we just don't need to sell. So why not laugh at people who come in with offers of £30, £35, £40 million.

Like Bayern is doing to you over Hargreaves ?

@Forza

Whats the most Milan, have ever spent on a player, in fact when was the last time Milan paid more than £20m for a player?

Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Kaka clearly cant all play together, if they could they would have won the WC. So Kaka would have to leave, for Ronaldinho to go there. Why would he leave the best team in Europe, to play for a side who arent evn the best team in there league?

Inter havent spent big in ages, they are doing really well, but the Italian league isnt what it was, the glamour and allure isnt there anymore.

The only teams who can still spend the sort of money needed to secure the players are Real (who have a history of breaking transfer fees) Chelsea(the richest club owner in the world). In 2001 it potentially could have happened, bbut not in 2007.

Axeslammer ! wrote:

Parks lives wrote:I'm just getting bored of saying it.

It's not what he's worth on the market, its the fact we just don't need to sell. So why not laugh at people who come in with offers of £30, £35, £40 million.

Like Bayern is doing to you over Hargreaves ?

But they have said they would sell for the right price.

Axeslammer ! wrote:

Parks lives wrote:I'm just getting bored of saying it.

It's not what he's worth on the market, its the fact we just don't need to sell. So why not laugh at people who come in with offers of £30, £35, £40 million.

Like Bayern is doing to you over Hargreaves ?

But they have said they would sell for the right price.

The only reason Qauresma didn't succeed at barca was because he and a big ego and Rijkaard being a young manager wanted to show who is boss, and the fact we wanted deco and couldn't afford to pay the full asking price.

The same thing wouldn't happen to Ronaldo because Rijkaard man management skills have improved allot since then.

If Ronaldo game to barca i don't the it will be wall Rijkaard is still manager and i think it would be better for him to stay with Man U for a few more years until Dinho is 30 and real get the problems figured out. and then he can come to Spain because we all now that’s where is wants to play.

Rez wrote:@Forza



Whats the most Milan, have ever spent on a player, in fact when was the last time Milan paid more than £20m for a player?



Ronaldinho, Ronaldo and Kaka clearly cant all play together, if they could they would have won the WC. So Kaka would have to leave, for Ronaldinho to go there. Why would he leave the best team in Europe, to play for a side who arent evn the best team in there league?



Inter havent spent big in ages, they are doing really well, but the Italian league isnt what it was, the glamour and allure isnt there anymore.



The only teams who can still spend the sort of money needed to secure the players are Real (who have a history of breaking transfer fees) Chelsea(the richest club owner in the world). In 2001 it potentially could have happened, bbut not in 2007.

Inter probably spent the most this summer.

Milan haven't spent big because we have been the most successful side in Europe since 2003.

The Italian league has its administrative problems (!), but on the pitch it produces the best players. We can argue which league is the best till the cows come home, but Italy proved it on the pitch this summer. La Liga and the Prem flopped. Not THE indicator, but certainly a very important one.

Also, it seems Latin players will play either in Spain or Italy because of the weather and culture (football and otherwise). No matter how much money the Prem gets, players like Ronaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho, and even C. Ronaldo will want to play in Spain or Italy, with the former having the edge.

When Juve come back next year, the Italian league will return to normal business. You can make an argument that the money is not spread out evenly in the Italian league like it is in the Prem, but to say that Milan and Inter can't afford players is well off the mark.

United are saddled with debts.
Arsenal are still reeling from their stadium expenditure.
Liverpool are not exactly heavyweights in the market (though for my money they buy very well).
Chelsea are the only ones who spend blithely.

But crucially, small teams in the prem have money, which in Italy and even in Spain they don't.

Ronaldo's ego>>>>> Quaresma's

Well for brazillians maybe italy and spain, but c.ronaldo has said he will never play in Italy.

Ronaldo's ego is much bigger than Queresma's that true but Rijkaars man management skills have improve greatly since his early days at barca how else coulld he manage a team with Eto'o,Deco and Dinho in it and keep the all happy, though allot of that he aso due to Ten cate.

Since when did Ronaldo have a mega ego?

He's never really fallen out with the National team or Fergie. The only player he's fallen out with is Ruud and Ruud's fallen out with a few people in his time.

He may fancy himself as a player but thats part of his confidence and what makes him so good.

@ forza

I've already gone through this.

Players from Serie A have a competitive advantage at international competitions because of the 18 team league and the mickjey mouse Italian cup meaning they are more rested.

Its nothing to do with the league being better

Tweedle wrote:@ forza

I've already gone through this.

Players from Serie A have a competitive advantage at international competitions because of the 18 team league and the mickjey mouse Italian cup meaning they are more rested.

Its nothing to do with the league being better

hahhaaha....

Right the FA cup is the second coming.

Can you honestly say that P. Robinson, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard can compare to G. Buffon, Fabio Cannavaro, G. Zambrotta, and Andrea Pirlo?

Similarly, can any Spanish fans say the same about their players?

A league is also measured by what it produces, not only what it buys. A league is also represented at the World Cup.

By the way, the Italian league has 20 teams.

Whe I say big I mean on a single player, like Real/Chelsea have. Whos Inter/Milans most expensive signing of the past 4 years? I am pretty sure its not as much as Real/Chelsea or even United.

As much as it may hurt to admit it Inter/Milan arent like Chelsea/Real, they cant go out and buy any player they want, theyeither dont spend that big or have the allure of these clubs.

Latin players prefer Spanish and Italian, but when Zidane, then Ronaldo joined real Madrid, was the moment Seri A stopped being the best league in the world and since then its been on the decline. The prem (one of the best players in Seri A joining the prem confirms this) and La Liga are now the two biggest leagues that players want to play in.

International football is dead, excessive Tv coverage and the CL killed it. The only thing saving it, is that international tournaments are every 4 years. So 4 years for everyone to forget how rubbish they are and 4years to hype it up.

And the greek won the Euro in 2004 , so their league was the best (some played in others but most played in their domestic league).

Rez wrote:Whe I say big I mean on a single player, like Real/Chelsea have. Whos Inter/Milans most expensive signing of the past 4 years? I am pretty sure its not as much as Real/Chelsea or even United.



As much as it may hurt to admit it Inter/Milan arent like Chelsea/Real, they cant go out and buy any player they want, theyeither dont spend that big or have the allure of these clubs.



Latin players prefer Spanish and Italian, but when Zidane, then Ronaldo joined real Madrid, was the moment Seri A stopped being the best league in the world and since then its been on the decline. The prem (one of the best players in Seri A joining the prem confirms this) and La Liga are now the two biggest leagues that players want to play in.



International football is dead, excessive Tv coverage and the CL killed it. The only thing saving it, is that international tournaments are every 4 years. So 4 years for everyone to forget how rubbish they are and 4years to hype it up.

International football is dead for teams who do poorly in it and so console themselves by saying club football is king.

Ask any player, and he will say that winning the World Cup is THE greatest feeling.

Give me a World Cup over 2 Champions Leagues any day.

Shevchenko joining the Prem at 30 is not really an indicator that the Prem is the best.

When I make arguments that the Serie A is in the top 3, I prefer to look at results.

1 World Cup.

Milan’s record in the CL since 2003:

2003- Winners (with two Italian finalists).
2004- QF
2005- Final
2006- Semi-final

No other team in Europe has matched that record.

I agree with Tweeds.

But one point that most people have negelected to mention is that Ronaldo still has a lot to prove. He's been impressive for Portugal over the last couple of years, though had any average WC (at least in terms of assists/goals) and has only really shown consistecncy for Utd this season. I'm not sure he's amongst the best in the world just yet, but instead is one of many talented youngsters. (Messi,Quaresma etc)

He's not done much in Europe this year either as yet.