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    The Irish eyes who will not have left Ronaldo smiling

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    Post by COTR Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:44 am

    RTE's John Giles, Eamon Dunphy and Liam Brady have no peers when it comes to football punditry.


    At what point did television producers decide that football fans were to be treated with contempt? Was Jimmy Hill too abrasive for the modern age, too likely to upset fragile egos (though, in fairness, it could have been the beard)? Blandness is now almost universal on British TV, whether it's the crafted dialogue on Gary Lineker's Match of the Day, Steve Ryder's obeisance at the feet of sporting gods or Jim Rosenthal's - well, better to let that one lie. On Sky, where Andy Gray and Richard Keys at least attempt analysis, the surface is barely scratched and conventional wisdoms go unchallenged. "The lad will be disappointed with himself for that performance" now comes at the top end of the most stinging rebukes and most of what passes for television analysis would not pass muster in a pub. With few alternatives on offer we mutely accept it, nodding sagely that the lad could, indeed, have done better. There is, however, a better way.

    In a brief clip on Tuesday night John Giles, Eamon Dunphy and Liam Brady demonstrated that they have no peers in the business of football punditry. Two great players and a former journeyman player turned great controversialist were dissecting Manchester United's win against Lille. They didn't dwell for long on the referee (two correct decisions, one goal disallowed, one awarded) or get overly excited by Lille's foot-stomping childishness but focused on analysing different elements of the game.

    Brady and Dunphy had prepared a package of Cristiano Ronaldo's entire contribution - completing, to memory, one pass out of 10, while losing possession or fluffing scoring chances every other time he received the ball. The clip concluded with Ronaldo's substitution, head shaking at the injustice of it all, spitting in disgust and shrugging his way past Sir Alex Ferguson, his manager.

    Giles, Brady and Dunphy - along with Bill O'Herlihy, their host and interrogator - are brought together by RTE, the state-owned Irish broadcaster, to analyse football. They do not hold their punches. Brady and Dunphy have little time for the hype that surrounds Ronaldo, while Giles's scepticism is slightly more restrained.

    For all three, Ronaldo is talented but well short of the greatness that has been bestowed on him by his manager and the British media. They see his flaws, his petulance, his failure to deliver on the biggest European occasions but they also see deep cynicism at work.

    The hyping of Ronaldo, in their eyes, is about inflating his value for the balance sheet, and has little or no connection with reality. Ronaldo is a commodity rather than a footballer, a player measured not by his contribution on the field but by his potential contribution to the bottom line, so long as the marketing of him can deliver a profitable transfer.

    Agree or disagree, but it is an analysis that demands a response and cuts through the hyperbole that usually gushes forth from British TV studios. Critically, RTE's gang of four treat their viewers as intelligent and informed fans and approach each match they review with a determination to provide insight and provoke response.

    Their approach is in stark and dismal contrast to what passes for analysis on British television. There are rare exceptions - Martin O'Neill was a breath of fresh air during the World Cup and Graeme Souness occasionally punctures the mood of celebration - but for too much of the time producers and pundits appear to treat viewers with contempt.

    It is not beyond the wit of the BBC, ITV, Sky or Setanta to recognise one simple fact: fans are not morons. They deserve better than pap and I am convinced they would respond enthusiastically if treated with respect. It might, however, knock a few million off Ronaldo's asking price.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:53 am

    You should have read Oliver Holt's article on Ronaldo on Monday in the Mirror after the game against Reading. You would have thought Ronaldo, and United, had just won the European Cup.

    Spilling seed over the young Portuguese seems to be in vogue these days. Kind of belittles the whole theory that the English Media only go for English players. They go far marketable players, players who have a wow factor, either on or off the pitch.

    ronaldo is montrously talented, but he's subjected to the kind of hype that Wayne Rooney recieved last season. Once his form dips, they'll move onto someone else, as they always do
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:04 am

    Ronaldo = choker in Europe.


    23 games now and no goals + only a handful of assists.

    He's even worse than Rooney Wink
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    Post by COTR Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:06 am

    ok

    for what it's worth i don't really agree with dunphy and co. they had a vendetta against ronaldo at the start of the season and have been trying to justify it all season in the face of his brilliance this year. however on tuesday night they spent about 10 minutes before the game talking about him and he turned in a horror show performance so the criticism was all too inevitable.

    The main point about the article is the level of punditry and the ability to get the viewer thinking. nothing new for most of us but the rest of the country has just learned to accept this nonsense. so in short , sack gray and lawro and co, hire the entire RTE team and watch the fireworks from mourinho, fergie, wenger and co in response
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    Post by Rez Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:35 am

    Ronaldo had one bad game in about 25 matches, he has 15 goals in the prem and countless assists, he has been probably the best player in the world this season. There isnt a player I would swap him with on current form.

    Ronaldinho and messi played alot worse yesterday, will they say they are average overhyped players? they could do the same for any good player.

    Besides I thought united were a one man team, but apparently the one man isnt that good, but somehow united are 6 points clear of probably the best league in the world.
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    Post by L r d Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:38 am

    So what is there aim. This guy has had less bad games than anyone in the world this season, highlighting all the bad moments in one of them? what are they trying to prove here. How can you knock the contribution been direction involved and responsible for like 30 goals.

    I don't think that many people watched the match with these guys on rte, maybe there trying to get more viewers by going to extremes and get themselves more known.
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    Post by Saintsar Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:46 am

    L r d wrote:So what is there aim. This guy has had less bad games than anyone in the world this season, highlighting all the bad moments in one of them? what are they trying to prove here. How can you knock the contribution been direction involved and responsible for like 30 goals.

    I don't think that many people watched the match with these guys on rte, maybe there trying to get more viewers by going to extremes and get themselves more known.

    Precisely - they are trying to dress themselves up as the people 'who will say the truth that no one else dares say'.

    As to the hype being there to talk up Ronaldo's price - if this were true, why did Fergie leave Ronaldo off the list of world class players he mentioned earlier in the season?

    Absolute bullshit. But Ronaldo did have a poor game against Lille. Not as bad as Giggs, I hasten to add...
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    Post by Parks lives Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:55 am

    "Put Garcia in the bin."
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    Post by "Tuffy" Monag Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:56 am

    COTR wrote:RTE's John Giles, Eamon Dunphy and Liam Brady have no peers when it comes to football punditry.

    Two great players and a former journeyman player turned great controversialist were dissecting Manchester United's win against Lille.

    Shocked That's a triffle hard on Giles, don't you think?
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:19 pm

    COTR wrote:RTE's John Giles, Eamon Dunphy and Liam Brady have no peers when it comes to football punditry.


    At what point did television producers decide that football fans were to be treated with contempt? Was Jimmy Hill too abrasive for the modern age, too likely to upset fragile egos (though, in fairness, it could have been the beard)? Blandness is now almost universal on British TV, whether it's the crafted dialogue on Gary Lineker's Match of the Day, Steve Ryder's obeisance at the feet of sporting gods or Jim Rosenthal's - well, better to let that one lie. On Sky, where Andy Gray and Richard Keys at least attempt analysis, the surface is barely scratched and conventional wisdoms go unchallenged. "The lad will be disappointed with himself for that performance" now comes at the top end of the most stinging rebukes and most of what passes for television analysis would not pass muster in a pub. With few alternatives on offer we mutely accept it, nodding sagely that the lad could, indeed, have done better. There is, however, a better way.

    In a brief clip on Tuesday night John Giles, Eamon Dunphy and Liam Brady demonstrated that they have no peers in the business of football punditry. Two great players and a former journeyman player turned great controversialist were dissecting Manchester United's win against Lille. They didn't dwell for long on the referee (two correct decisions, one goal disallowed, one awarded) or get overly excited by Lille's foot-stomping childishness but focused on analysing different elements of the game.

    Brady and Dunphy had prepared a package of Cristiano Ronaldo's entire contribution - completing, to memory, one pass out of 10, while losing possession or fluffing scoring chances every other time he received the ball. The clip concluded with Ronaldo's substitution, head shaking at the injustice of it all, spitting in disgust and shrugging his way past Sir Alex Ferguson, his manager.

    Giles, Brady and Dunphy - along with Bill O'Herlihy, their host and interrogator - are brought together by RTE, the state-owned Irish broadcaster, to analyse football. They do not hold their punches. Brady and Dunphy have little time for the hype that surrounds Ronaldo, while Giles's scepticism is slightly more restrained.

    For all three, Ronaldo is talented but well short of the greatness that has been bestowed on him by his manager and the British media. They see his flaws, his petulance, his failure to deliver on the biggest European occasions but they also see deep cynicism at work.

    The hyping of Ronaldo, in their eyes, is about inflating his value for the balance sheet, and has little or no connection with reality. Ronaldo is a commodity rather than a footballer, a player measured not by his contribution on the field but by his potential contribution to the bottom line, so long as the marketing of him can deliver a profitable transfer.

    Agree or disagree, but it is an analysis that demands a response and cuts through the hyperbole that usually gushes forth from British TV studios. Critically, RTE's gang of four treat their viewers as intelligent and informed fans and approach each match they review with a determination to provide insight and provoke response.

    Their approach is in stark and dismal contrast to what passes for analysis on British television. There are rare exceptions - Martin O'Neill was a breath of fresh air during the World Cup and Graeme Souness occasionally punctures the mood of celebration - but for too much of the time producers and pundits appear to treat viewers with contempt.

    It is not beyond the wit of the BBC, ITV, Sky or Setanta to recognise one simple fact: fans are not morons. They deserve better than pap and I am convinced they would respond enthusiastically if treated with respect. It might, however, knock a few million off Ronaldo's asking price.

    Doh He was doing so well up to that point.

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