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    Post by Machiavel Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:03 pm

    One of the more poignant aspects of PSV Eindhoven's 3-0 home defeat by Liverpool FC on Tuesday was that it may well turn out to be Phillip Cocu's last UEFA Champions League game at the PSV Stadium. Cocu, already a veteran of 78 matches in Europe's top club competition with PSV and FC Barcelona, has not stated he will stop playing at the end of the season. But with his 37th birthday looming in October, many feel this summer a memorable career may cease. Of course, if the former international capped 101 times by the Netherlands can remain fit and the flesh is still willing, he could continue to perform - and shine - at the highest level. Otherwise a job at the club in another capacity surely beckons.

    Fraught title defence

    For the moment he remains fully focused on his team's increasingly fraught Eredivisie title defence. PSV lead AFC Ajax by three points but are clearly not in form, struggling to cope with a growing injury list, and have - on paper at least - a tougher run-in than their Amsterdam rivals. "We just have to start winning again," Cocu said. "This Saturday [away to NEC Nijmegen] would be the perfect opportunity. I know we haven't really played well since the winter break, but we must remain positive. I think one of the main problems is that our squad is a bit thin in places. We don't have the same depth of choice as a club like Liverpool."

    Gulf in class

    That became painfully apparent when Ronald Koeman's side were brushed aside with comparative ease by their English opponents. "We did quite well in the first half, but after the break I didn't even get the feeling we were in the match," said the PSV captain. "After their third goal we just felt powerless. They have a lot of class in their team. In the end the gulf between the two teams was simply too wide. That's about the only conclusion I can draw."

    Chief influence

    Since beginning his second stint in Eindhoven in 2004, Cocu has become arguably the team's most influential player and has rarely turned in even an average performance during the last three seasons, the first two of which brought league titles. Cocu is one of those select few whose mere presence inspires those around him to play better. He also thrives on the big stage; his two strikes against AC Milan in the 2004/05 UEFA Champions League semi-final second leg took his side agonisingly close to the final in Istanbul, though PSV were pipped on away goals.

    Midfield revamp

    Immediately after that wonderful season the club lost almost its entire midfield; Milan signed Johan Vogel, Mark van Bommel joined Barcelona, and Park Ji-Sung could not resist the lure of Manchester United FC. It speaks volumes for Cocu that his continued presence was the foundation for a new PSV middle line, in which emerging talents such as Ibrahim Afellay and Ismaïl Aissati flourished and clearly benefited from his tutelage.

    Versatile

    As a youngster Cocu modelled himself on Michel Platini, who he described as the "complete midfielder". Cocu has not done a bad job of becoming one himself - and more. Usually to be found in the middle, he has also played on the left, as full-back and up front. In the crucial Eredivisie confrontation with NAC Breda at the end of March, Cocu even deputised in central defence. As early as the first minute he could be seen making a critical sliding intervention, and on more than one occasion he would win possession and stride elegantly forward in a style reminiscent of Alan Hansen or even Franz Beckenbauer.

    Family ties

    Born in Eindhoven, Cocu is not the only family member to grace the local football scene; his father is chairman of one of the city's oldest amateur clubs, DBS, whose initials stand for 'Strength through brotherhood'. However Cocu junior made his professional debut at AZ Alkmaar, aged just 18, before moving a year later to BV Vitesse, where he played 137 times and scored 25 goals, including the one he describes as the best of his career, a long-range swerver that found the top corner against Belgian side KV Mechelen in the 1992/93 UEFA Cup. He then spent three years at PSV, followed by six seasons with Barcelona, winning the domestic championship once with each club in that period.

    Decision

    At the start of this season Cocu said: "We have new players, a new coach and a new formation; let's just see how far we can go." You got the feeling he found out on Tuesday. PSV will probably have to make some significant changes during the summer if they are to move on. Phillip Cocu might have the same feeling about himself. Before then, though, there is still much to be done on the pitch as the Eredivisie reaches a thrilling climax.


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    Post by MightyBarca Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:17 pm

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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:20 pm

    Great professional, a credit to the game.

    How will PSV fill the void left by his departure?
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:28 pm

    Cesc wrote:Great professional, a credit to the game.

    How will PSV fill the void left by his departure?

    They have Ibrahim Afellay and Ismaïl Aissati .. who have learnt a lot from Cocu, individually they might not become the 'next Cocu' but are bright talents (Afellay is one to watch out for)

    Stijn Schaars of AZ has been touted as the new Cocu .. i think PSV were interested in him, not sure if they are now.
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    Post by SuperMario Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:53 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:
    Cesc wrote:Great professional, a credit to the game.

    How will PSV fill the void left by his departure?

    They have Ibrahim Afellay and Ismaïl Aissati .. who have learnt a lot from Cocu, individually they might not become the 'next Cocu' but are bright talents (Afellay is one to watch out for)

    Stijn Schaars of AZ has been touted as the new Cocu .. i think PSV were interested in him, not sure if they are now.
    I rate Schaars very high. But he'll never be as versatile as Cocu, who played any position and even did well as CF. On football intelligence, he might well match Cocu, who has a great footy brain.
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    Post by Arnaud loves Catherine Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:06 pm

    Yup great player.Never liked his behaviour though...

    He was playing for a mediocre Barcelona at the time and i must admit i started to give him credit for his amazing performances with PSV.This kind of player have amzing potential but for some strange reasons waste a little bit their career.

    I doubt he was an "influent" player for the teams he played for...He doesn't seems to be very concerned sometimes.I think Davids and Seedorf were better players <Ale>
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:49 pm

    @ Arnuad

    What do you mean he wasted his career .. the man was loyal to the team that gave him his big break (PSV)

    He was influential alright .. Barcelona honoured him due to the service he gave to the club.
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    Post by Arnaud loves Catherine Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:26 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:@ Arnuad

    What do you mean he wasted his career .. the man was loyal to the team that gave him his big break (PSV)

    He was influential alright .. Barcelona honoured him due to the service he gave to the club.
    I have watched a lot the Barca with all their dutchies at the time.He was average and i'm not saying that for being a wum.I remember him vs Liverpool in UEFA semi final particularly and he was nothing special.At the time i was shocked to see Emmanuel Petit was on the bench cos they thought Cocu was better than the french.
    I have no doubt the Barca coach at the time (serra ferrer)wasn't a moron and had surely good reasons to play with Cocu but on the pitch I wasn't impressed at all.

    When i have seen him some years later with PSV in CL he was a totally different player! He was amazing and then i started to considere as a real great player.But Rai mate you surely know him better than me you i beleive you when you say to me he was great at the time.

    Cocu was great... <Ale>
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:35 pm

    No, Arnaud

    Its not my word to say Cocu was a great player .. undoubtedly a Legend

    To many he is underrated ..

    He played in Spain for a while, won Trophies and the hearts of many Barcelona fans who wanted him to stay on .. instead moving back to Holland.

    Hes good enough to play in England in his prime, maybe Italy .. ask a average Football fan, Is Cocu a great player .. they many not reply yes

    Technically he is a gifted player .. like Leo says; he can literally play in any position (left back, CB, across the midfield and a supporting forward)

    I wont call him just the Complete Midfielder

    He is the 90's Total Footballer Ale

    He in my opinion could become a great Coach.
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    Post by Arnaud loves Catherine Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:37 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:No, Arnaud

    Its not my word to say Cocu was a great player .. undoubtedly a Legend

    To many he is underrated ..

    He played in Spain for a while, won Trophies and the hearts of many Barcelona fans who wanted him to stay on .. instead moving back to Holland.

    Hes good enough to play in England in his prime, maybe Italy .. ask a average Football fan, Is Cocu a great player .. they many not reply yes

    Technically he is a gifted player .. like Leo says; he can literally play in any position (left back, CB, across the midfield and a supporting forward)

    I wont call him just the Complete Midfielder

    He is the 90's Total Footballer Ale

    He in my opinion could become a great Coach.
    Err...Rai mate he is a legend if you want BUT why the hell this comment "Hes good enough to play in England in his prime"

    Even Steve Carr is good enough to play in the PL so why not a WC player ??? Of course he would have improved any english teams ! <Ale>
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:39 pm

    In his prime he is capable of playing in any of the top leagues

    Another great attribute is his leadership qualities, he was and still is a Natural Born Leader ..
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    Post by Arnaud loves Catherine Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:43 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:In his prime he is capable of playing in any of the top leagues

    Another great attribute is his leadership qualities, he was and still is a Natural Born Leader ..
    That's where i disagree...

    I mean what do you call a leader ? for me that's a guy like Davids,Roy Keane,Cantona,Deschamps,Dunga,Cruyff,Beckenbaueur,Steve Carr (try to find the error)ect ect.A guy who can sream and kick your arse when you are bad.He looked not very concerned at Barceloan.The guy was calm,a little bit like Gerrard. <Ale>
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:55 pm

    Arnaud, you know there are different types of leaders

    The ones who shout + scream
    ones who are calm, and let their actions speak louder than words

    Cocu was one commanded respect via they way he approached games, once he was in the game he would do his job and without any fuss expect his teams to do theirs.. he would also not expect himself to be involved every 90mins of the game, but expect others to do their jobs without being threatened

    Mainly his all round game and knowledge of the game help him become a good leader .. he would 'lose it' if sense is not prevailing with his team mates .. but in a calm manner ...

    This is what he is doing at PSV and to some extent at Barcelona ..


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    Post by Arnaud loves Catherine Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:02 am

    Rai Krol wrote:Arnaud, you know there are different types of leaders

    The ones who shout + scream
    ones who are calm, and let their actions speak louder than words

    Cocu was one commanded respect via they way he approached games, once he was in the game he would do his job and withought any fuss expect his teams to do theirs.. he would also not expect himself to be involved every 90mins of the game, but expect others to do their jobs without being threatened

    This is what he is doing at PSV and to some extent at Barcelona ..
    Rai mate..Cocu is lucky to have a massive fan like you. <Ale>

    Perso i don't know if he deserves so much praises but i respect your opinion...It is 100% sure he has been underated in his career.Let's say he was the best midfielder in the 90's after Zidane <Ale>
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:03 am

    Even the Great Zizou himself is a fan of Cocu Ale
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    Post by Axeslammer Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:22 am

    Arnaud is beautiful wrote:Rai mate..Cocu is lucky to have a massive fan like you. <Ale>

    Cocu is extremely highly rated in Holland (and justifiably so I would say) : he's the modern total football player.

    Captain of Barcelona, Captain of PSV, Captain of Oranje....he must have been doing something right Wink

    He's literally played in 8 of the available 11 positions in the Dutch team, that's how alround, versatile and good he was Ale
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    Post by TITO Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:29 am

    I would take him immediately instead of Motta and Edmilson.
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    Post by A & K Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:04 am

    How was Cocu's career with the Orange?
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    Post by Axeslammer Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:04 am

    Alive and Kicking wrote:How was Cocu's career with the Orange?

    1988/89 AZ 15 4
    1989/90 AZ 35 4
    1990/91 Vitesse 8 0
    1991/92 Vitesse 33 3
    1992/93 Vitesse 34 6
    1993/94 Vitesse 33 11
    1994/95 Vitesse 29 5
    1995/96 PSV 29 12
    1996/97 PSV 34 8
    1997/98 PSV 32 11
    1998/99 Barcelona 36 12
    1999/00 Barcelona 35 6
    2000/01 Barcelona 35 3
    2001/02 Barcelona 34 2
    2002/03 Barcelona 29 3
    2003/04 Barcelona 36 5
    2004/05 PSV 29 6
    2005/06 PSV 33 10
    2006/07 PSV 28 5

    Total 577 116

    Matches played for Oranje : 101 Goals : 10


    According to *the* Dutch football site :

    "Hij kan spelen als linksachter, linkermiddenvelder, linksbuiten, centrale verdediger, centrale middenvelder, rechtermiddenvelder, nummer 10, of zelfs in de spits. Een trainer die moeite heeft de juiste opstelling te vinden heeft al veel gewonnen als hij Phillip Cocu in zijn selectie heeft. Die coach kan alle spelers op hun favoriete positie neerzetten en dan kijken welke plaats er voor Cocu overschiet. Cocu kan namelijk overal spelen. Bij veel voetballers zou dat tot kwaliteitsverlies leiden, maar Cocu speelt overal goed."

    Translation :

    "He can play as LB, LM, LW, CD, CM, RM, on 10 behind the strikers or even as a striker. A manager who has trouble finding the right lineup has a big advantage if he has Philip Cocu in his squad. That manager can play all the other players in their favourite position and slot Cocu in into whatever position is left. Cocu can play *any position*. A lot of footballers would "lose some of their quality" when moved around, Cocu plays well in any position."

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