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by Machiavel Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:15 pm

Has the last 3 years, ushered in a new dynasty of English dominance in Europe .. the last time was in the late 70's and early 80's.

2005 - Liverpool win the European Cup
2006 - Arsenal make the European Cup Final, lose 2:1 to FC Barcelona
2007 - 3 English teams in the European Cup semis, one English team is guaranteed in the Final

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by blutgraetsche Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:16 pm

Don't count your chicken just yet.

If I could put a "ze" in that sentence, I would.

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by Super Progress Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:18 pm

Rai Krol wrote:Has the last 3 years, ushered in a new dynasty of English dominance in Europe .. the last time was in the late 70's and early 80's.

2005 - Liverpool win the European Cup
2006 - Arsenal make the European Cup Final, lose 2:1 to FC Barcelona
2007 - 3 English teams in the European Cup semis, one English team is guaranteed in the Final

i always say that it is hard to predict anything from cl esp since they changed it with removing the 2.group stage which has meant that it has become unpredictable. if they had done it with the old format it would have been no question but they way cl is nowadays its hard to say what will happen next year. also you are going to judge on anything it should be how many teams the league gets each year in maybe the quaters or semis.

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by Pierre Littbarski Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:19 pm

We've got the same top 4 every year so they can gain loads of experience in the CL.

I only take Chelsea and Liverpool seriously out of our 4 but they have the 2 best managers in Europe so hardly suprising (bigger factor than money IMO).

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by NCFC Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:19 pm

I don't know about dominance. But due to the large gap between the top four and the rest the Premiership can send four very strong teams into the tournament as they have this season. Italy faced no chance due to the backlash from the Match fixing scandal whilst it has been a poor season for Spanish teams with only three qualifying and all exiting before the semis. Next season Spain will send Barca, Real, Sevilla and Valencia. England United, Chelsea, Liverpool Arsenal. Both look very strong line ups. It will be interesting to see who has more teams at this stage next year.

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:28 pm

I don't doubt that we're heading into a period where the top 4 in England dominate in europe, we have 4 very good teams and 3 of them are(will be in Pools case) super-rich.

Just a shame about the rest of the league. <Ale>

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by Jago Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:32 pm

As Blut said Kimbo, don't count yer chickens...Bolton could still be part of our champion's league presence (lol)

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:34 pm

Jago wrote:As Blut said Kimbo, don't count yer chickens...Bolton could still be part of our champion's league presence (lol)

Maybe, Arsenal need to sort their act out. But even if Bolton(or any other team) qualified ahead of Arsenal i don't think they would stay in the top 4 permanently, Arsenal would be back there next season.

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by Parks lives Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:36 pm

stop...HAMEUR TIME! wrote:
I only take Chelsea and Liverpool seriously out of our 4

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by Pierre Littbarski Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:38 pm

Parks lives wrote:

stop...HAMEUR TIME! wrote:
I only take Chelsea and Liverpool seriously out of our 4

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by Puro Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:39 pm

It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams. <Ale>

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:43 pm

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

Personally i blame Shepherd for sacking Robson, if he had stayed we might have 5 teams fighting for those 4 spots.

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by SteveOoO Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:43 pm

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

It is essentially the same for Spain and Italy, and Germany for that matter, its the same teams from every league that keep doing well in the CL.

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by Puro Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:45 pm

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

Personally i blame Shepherd for sacking Robson, if he had stayed we might have 5 teams fighting for those 4 spots.

Are you "anti-English" all of a sudden Kimbo? Biggrin

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by Pierre Littbarski Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:45 pm

If Mourinho stays then 'pool and Chelsea will be reaching SF's year in year out.

Italy will be strong from 2008/2009 as it looks as though Juve, Napoli and Genoa are coming up to increase competition.

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:46 pm

SteveOoO wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

It is essentially the same for Spain and Italy, and Germany for that matter, its the same teams from every league that keep doing well in the CL.

No it's not, Spain have had Villarreal doing well in the CL and Sevilla won the UEFA Cup and are competing for the title this year, and Zaragoza are currently 4th. There's been much change in the top 4 in Spain over the years.

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by Rosicky Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:50 pm

Kimbo wrote:

SteveOoO wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

It is essentially the same for Spain and Italy, and Germany for that matter, its the same teams from every league that keep doing well in the CL.

No it's not, Spain have had Villarreal doing well in the CL and Sevilla won the UEFA Cup and are competing for the title this year, and Zaragoza are currently 4th. There's been much change in the top 4 in Spain over the years.

dont forget betis, celta vigo, deportivo have all been in the CL recently.

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by Puro Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:53 pm

SteveOoO wrote:

It is essentially the same for Spain and Italy, and Germany for that matter, its the same teams from every league that keep doing well in the CL.

No pal! La Liga almost always puts two different teams other than their giants Barcelona and Real Madrid. Last season it was Valencia and Osasuna. The season before that, Villarreal and Betis. Prior to that, Valencia and Deportivo. Before that, Real Sociedad and Celta. Before that Valencia and Deportivo again. Mallorca and Deportivo...Zaragoza and Deportivo....Mallorca and Valencia...Bilbao and Real Sociedad....and on and on and on. Biggrin

Serie A is similar in this aspect. <Ale>

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:53 pm

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

Personally i blame Shepherd for sacking Robson, if he had stayed we might have 5 teams fighting for those 4 spots.

Are you "anti-English" all of a sudden Kimbo?

Not at all, it's just there's no denying that lack of quality outside the top 4, no one is competitive. Bolton and Everton occupy 5th and 6th FFS.

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by Luis Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:55 pm

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

Personally i blame Shepherd for sacking Robson, if he had stayed we might have 5 teams fighting for those 4 spots.

Are you "anti-English" all of a sudden Kimbo?

Not at all, it's just there's no denying that lack of quality outside the top 4, no one is competitive. Bolton and Everton occupy 5th and 6th FFS.

And who's fault is that? I'm sure you'd have a different attitude if Newcastle were 5th Rolling Eyes

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:57 pm

Luis wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

Personally i blame Shepherd for sacking Robson, if he had stayed we might have 5 teams fighting for those 4 spots.

Are you "anti-English" all of a sudden Kimbo?

Not at all, it's just there's no denying that lack of quality outside the top 4, no one is competitive. Bolton and Everton occupy 5th and 6th FFS.

And who's fault is that? I'm sure you'd have a different attitude if Newcastle were 5th

If we were competitive then yes i'd have a different attitude, but if we were in 5th but still seriously lacked the quality to compete with the top 4 i'd think the same.

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by Puro Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:24 pm

Kimbo wrote:

If we were competitive then yes i'd have a different attitude, but if we were in 5th but still seriously lacked the quality to compete with the top 4 i'd think the same.

Have you gotten used to the idea of seeing the same "big four" year in and year out? I hope I'm wrong, but it sure appears they're gonna remain there for quite a while. <Ale>

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:32 pm

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

If we were competitive then yes i'd have a different attitude, but if we were in 5th but still seriously lacked the quality to compete with the top 4 i'd think the same.

Have you gotten used to the idea of seeing the same "big four" year in and year out? I hope I'm wrong, but it sure appears they're gonna remain there for quite a while.

I'm used to it, i'm bored of it, and i find it pretty frustrating.

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by Fey Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:34 pm

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

If we were competitive then yes i'd have a different attitude, but if we were in 5th but still seriously lacked the quality to compete with the top 4 i'd think the same.

Have you gotten used to the idea of seeing the same "big four" year in and year out? I hope I'm wrong, but it sure appears they're gonna remain there for quite a while.

I'm used to it, i'm bored of it, and i find it pretty frustrating.

Some day kimbo out teams will be in the final..again..someday <Ale>

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by Tweesus Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:37 pm

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

There's spurs...

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:38 pm

Tweedle wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:It's just the same 4 teams from England, so it's hardly a "league accomplishment". It's always the same 4 teams always finishing 1 to 4, always competing in CL, getting lots of experience. Yes, they're due for success.

In my opinion, it's got more to do with them 4 teams success than a league success. This will be the fourth straight season with the same 4 teams finishing 1-4 in the league. And it seems, they're there to stay for a while. League success? don't think so. The success of 4 teams alone. Four very good and rich teams.

Christ, i'm agreeing with you Puro. I'm the first to admit that there's currently NOTHING outside the top 4 in England.

There's spurs...

Yup, people have been telling me this for the past 2 seasons now.

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by Super Progress Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:39 pm

as has been said its not good for english football if these teams keep on qualifing.of course currently the teams simply arent that good so they can justify that they should get a place from these teams.it could be a small thing that changes it like just a really bad season from arsenal which are the team most likely to fall out as i see it allthough they are still better then the teams below.

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by Luis Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:41 pm

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:as has been said its not good for english football if these teams keep on qualifing.of course currently the teams simply arent that good so they can justify that they should get a place from these teams.it could be a small thing that changes it like just a really bad season from arsenal which are the team most likely to fall out as i see it allthough they are still better then the teams below.

Who cares if it's the same 4 qualifying every season? you still have to do well to get to the semi's as United, Chelsea and you would think Liverpool have, it's not easy to make it this far, besides we saw what happened when a team that doesn't normally qualify i.e Everton qualified for the CL they couldn't handle it

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by Kimbo Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:46 pm

Luis wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:as has been said its not good for english football if these teams keep on qualifing.of course currently the teams simply arent that good so they can justify that they should get a place from these teams.it could be a small thing that changes it like just a really bad season from arsenal which are the team most likely to fall out as i see it allthough they are still better then the teams below.

Who cares if it's the same 4 qualifying every season? you still have to do well to get to the semi's as United, Chelsea and you would think Liverpool have, it's not easy to make it this far, besides we saw what happened when a team that doesn't normally qualify i.e Everton qualified for the CL they couldn't handle it

You've just highlighted the problem there luis, the best teams outside the top 4 don't have enough quality to stay there.

And BTW, everyone that's not a top 4 fan cares.

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by fcb Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:47 pm

Pierre's right, Liverpool and Chelsea will continue to go far as long as they have Benitez and Mourinho.

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