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    Post by Batman Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:41 pm

    Because this is not a World Cup or a Euro year the World/European Player of the Year will be decided based on his performances in the domestic league and in Europe.

    Let's looks at previous winners:

    FIFA World Player of the Year
    2006 - 1st Cannavaro, 2nd Zidane, 3rd Ronaldinho.
    2005 - 1st Ronaldinho, 2nd Lampard, 3rd Eto'o.
    2004 - 1st Ronaldinho, 2nd Henry, 3rd Shevchenko.

    European Footballer of the Year
    2006 - 1st Cannavaro, 2nd Buffon, 3rd Henry.
    2005 - 1st Ronaldinho, 2nd Lampard, 3rd Gerrard.
    2004 - 1st Shevchenko, 2nd Deco, 3rd Ronaldinho.

    The usual suspects:

    Zidane – Retired.
    Ronaldinho – End product has been good, performance level not so good.
    Henry – Injured for most of the season.
    Eto’o – Same as Henry.
    Shevchenko – Struggled in the Prem.

    So what do you think the top 3 will look like this year? A lot will depend on what happens in the Champions League.

    Make your predictions based on the performances so far and what you think will happen in the domestic leagues and in Europe.

    1st ?
    2nd ?
    3rd ?

    A lot of Man Utd fans are wondering if Ronaldo can win the PFA Player of the Year. At this rate i think Ronaldo could win the Ballon d'Or.

    Ronaldo could be the first to win this award out of the new generation of World Stars:

    Diego, Robinho, Tevez, Messi, Quaresma, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ribery, Robben, Van Persie, Van Der Vaart, Schweinsteiger, Fabregas, Iniesta, Torres, etc....
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    Post by Jaime Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:51 pm

    It's an interesting question -- how players do in the latter rounds of the CL will carry heavy weight but in years with no major international tournaments voters seem to have short memories so memorable performances at the beginning of the 07-08 season will probably go a long way in deciding the winner.
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    Post by Batman Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:53 pm

    Remember last season, Henry played really well, got to the Champions League final and the World Cup final but won fuck all.
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    Post by shazlx Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:58 pm

    I\think Ronaldo will win but IMO his performance this year does not compare to Ronaldihno's, Eto'os and Henry's performance of previous years. He has consistently shown great dribbling, trickery and power but not vision, awareness and passing. I personally don't think that the WPOY should go to any player that does not consistently show these qualities. So My WPOY would be Drogba as he has consistently shown awareness, vision and the passing (knock downs do count) to go with it.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:59 pm

    Losing two finals never does anything to help your cause -- Michael Ballack can attest to that.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:00 pm

    1st Cristiano Ronaldo
    2nd Drogba
    3rd Villa
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    Post by doninha Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:04 pm

    I think we'll have to wait to see who takes the trophies in CL, England and Spain.

    But at the moment, it would be:

    1 Cristiano Ronaldo
    2 Drogba
    3 Essien / Carvalho (a hard working player)
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    Post by Jaime Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:09 pm

    If Kanoute continues on at the top of the Golden Shoe candidates and Sevilla go on to win the UEFA Cup or the Spanish League or both I wouldn't be surprised if you see his name in the list maybe as the third place finisher.

    Drogba and Cristiano Ronaldo are making very good cases for themselves as well.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:09 pm

    1. Kaka
    2. C Ronaldo
    3. Ronaldinho/Drogba

    Thats what I think will happen.... names matter for WPOTY ... my choice will be Ibra!


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    Post by debaser Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:33 pm

    bluenine wrote:1. Kaka
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Ronaldinho/Drogba

    Thats what I think will happen.... names matter for WPOTY ... my choice will be Ibra!
    yeah i pretty much agree. i think ronaldo and kaka will be top 2 (ronaldo top unless milan win cl) and 3rd will be a liverpool or chelsea player if they win cl (gerrard/drog, most likely - unless crouch does something amazing), or if not, ronaldinho
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    Post by Batman Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:52 pm

    bluenine wrote:1. Kaka
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Ronaldinho/Drogba

    Thats what I think will happen.... names matter for WPOTY ... my choice will be Ibra!

    Ibrahimovic didn't really do anything in the Champions League this season. If Roma were still in the CL then i think Totti would of had a good chance of winning WPOTY.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:55 pm

    Batman wrote:Remember last season, Henry played really well, got to the Champions League final and the World Cup final but won fuck all.
    ok

    This is why I don't think Cristiano Ronaldo will win it this time around. Its the EPL factor. He needs to be in either Spain or Italy to win it for some reason.

    He will win it in a few years so he continue his fine form and be the first of his generation to win the prize.
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    Post by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:55 pm

    Kaka? Oh ffs!
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    Post by S4P Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:58 pm

    debaser wrote:
    bluenine wrote:1. Kaka
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Ronaldinho/Drogba

    Thats what I think will happen.... names matter for WPOTY ... my choice will be Ibra!
    yeah i pretty much agree. i think ronaldo and kaka will be top 2 (ronaldo top unless milan win cl) and 3rd will be a liverpool or chelsea player if they win cl (gerrard/drog, most likely - unless crouch does something amazing), or if not, ronaldinho

    If Gerrard makes the top 3, it proves this award is a huge shambles.
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    Post by Lard Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:00 pm

    Cesc wrote:
    Batman wrote:Remember last season, Henry played really well, got to the Champions League final and the World Cup final but won fuck all.
    ok

    This is why I don't think Cristiano Ronaldo will win it this time around. Its the EPL factor. He needs to be in either Spain or Italy to win it for some reason.

    He will win it in a few years so he continue his fine form and be the first of his generation to win the prize.

    He will win it next time round. If Lampard came second then i don't think the epl puts people off
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:02 pm

    bluenine wrote:1. Kaka
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Ronaldinho/Drogba

    Thats what I think will happen.... names matter for WPOTY ... my choice will be Ibra!

    on that note the good marcotti with an article about it all. its from last year:

    Over the next month or so, you are likely to hear all sorts of hype and background chatter about the "World Player of the Year" award. And you may wonder why -- as could happen this year -- three different guys can go around proclaiming themselves to have been voted the best player in the world.

    Indeed, it's a little bit like boxing, where four different dudes -- all of them, curiously, hailing from former Soviet republics -- can proudly put the "Heavyweight Champion of the World" line on their résumés.

    There are three major player-of-the-year awards: the Ballon d'Or, or European Footballer of the Year, FIFA's World Player of the Year and FIFPro's Player of the Year. This year, like never before, they are likely to go off in different directions.

    The Ballon d'Or is the oldest award, established by the magazine France Football way back in 1956, when Sir Stanley Matthews was recognized. France Football puts together a short list of candidates, and its jury of 54 journalists (one from each UEFA member state) votes on the winner. Strictly speaking, it's a European -- not a world -- award, as to be eligible you need to play in Europe (which is why Carlos Tévez wasn't short-listed last year). In practice, since most of the world's best ply their trade in the old world, it is very much a global award.

    FIFA's bauble is awarded by a vote of national team coaches and captains -- just over 400 in total, though judging from last year's numbers, a fair few forget to return their ballots. It has been running since 1991.

    The third and newest award is that of FIFPro, the international organization made up of players' associations from around the globe. This is only the second year that it will stage an awards ceremony (its prize will get handed out on Nov. 6 in Athens), and it has numbers on its side: Any of the 43,000 professionals from its 42 member associations is entitled to vote, though how many bother to do so is another issue.

    To prevent embarrassment, each award has a short list. This is necessary because, like the humorous folks who write in the name of joke candidates on real electoral ballots, voters can make curious choices. Like nominating Russell Latapy as player of the year, as one national team manager did in the FIFA vote a few seasons back. Or, as France Football's Albanian jurist did in the 1980s, regularly picking one of his countrymen as Europe's best player.

    Of course, the short lists vary. FIFPro has 55 names (theoretically one for every position in a World XI), the Ballon d'Or 50 and FIFA just 30. Now, you might think that if you're good enough to be on FIFA's list of the best, you'd be a lock for the other two -- not so. In fact, only 23 players appear on all three short lists.

    Of the three, FIFA's award tends to be more of a popularity contest. That's because most of the voters, frankly, don't watch much soccer. The opinion of the coach of Montserrat counts as much as that of Marcello Lippi, whose team won the World Cup. Thus, it is far more likely to be influenced by things such as highlight reels, big names and the World Cup.

    France Football's award is definitely Francophile in terms of its short list. Yes, the likes of Cris, Grégory Coupet and Ludovic Giuly -- none of whom had any impact at Germany 2006, but all of whom are either French or play in France -- are among the world's top 50, according to the brain trust at France Football.

    Mercifully, because the vote is spread around Europe, the winners are a little more balanced -- though, again, some guys have a built-in advantage. Andriy Shevchenko, for example, won last year on the strength of the former Soviet republics. If you were to exclude their votes (and they only exist because of the breakup of the U.S.S.R.), Ronaldinho would have taken the award.

    In theory, FIFPro's award ought to be more meaningful. After all, recognition from one's peers is the highest accolade, no? The problem is that anyone who has hung out with professionals will tell you that some of them would rather stick a fork in their ear than watch soccer on TV. Also, voting is limited to the 42 member associations, which is rather harsh.

    Within those 42, some -- read: Italy, England, Spain -- are much larger than others, which means they have more voting members. And, of course, it also depends on how diligent a member association is in making its members fill out and return ballots, as well as how seriously they take the vote.

    So after reading all this, you're still wondering who's going to win, right?

    The answer is that I have no idea, but I suspect we'll get three different winners. Many of those who shone in the first six months of the year (Ronaldinho, Samuel Eto'o, Kaká, Frank Lampard, Juan Román Riquelme) either didn't go or weren't too impressive at the World Cup. Those who did impress in Germany are either guys who don't usually win awards, such as defenders or goalkeepers (my choice, Gigi Buffon, Jens Lehmann, Fabio Cannavaro), or guys from lower-profile nations or clubs, who tend to get overlooked (Didier Drogba, Miroslav Klose, Franck Ribéry).

    Whatever happens, there is sure to be endless debate. Which is fine, just as long as nobody breathes the fumes in his garage long enough to vote for Zinédine Zidane.

    Leaving aside the fact that Zizou retired (and thus should not even be eligible), going through the motions for a few months at Real Madrid and playing 2½ good games in Germany should not make you Player of the Year. And that's without mentioning that his actions may well have cost France the World Cup.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:56 pm

    The article is a good and accurate critique of the awards <Ale>

    However, he got one thing wrong - Cannavaro won all 3 last year Wink

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    bluenine wrote:1. Kaka
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Ronaldinho/Drogba

    Thats what I think will happen.... names matter for WPOTY ... my choice will be Ibra!

    on that note the good marcotti with an article about it all. its from last year:

    Over the next month or so, you are likely to hear all sorts of hype and background chatter about the "World Player of the Year" award. And you may wonder why -- as could happen this year -- three different guys can go around proclaiming themselves to have been voted the best player in the world.

    Indeed, it's a little bit like boxing, where four different dudes -- all of them, curiously, hailing from former Soviet republics -- can proudly put the "Heavyweight Champion of the World" line on their résumés.

    There are three major player-of-the-year awards: the Ballon d'Or, or European Footballer of the Year, FIFA's World Player of the Year and FIFPro's Player of the Year. This year, like never before, they are likely to go off in different directions.

    The Ballon d'Or is the oldest award, established by the magazine France Football way back in 1956, when Sir Stanley Matthews was recognized. France Football puts together a short list of candidates, and its jury of 54 journalists (one from each UEFA member state) votes on the winner. Strictly speaking, it's a European -- not a world -- award, as to be eligible you need to play in Europe (which is why Carlos Tévez wasn't short-listed last year). In practice, since most of the world's best ply their trade in the old world, it is very much a global award.

    FIFA's bauble is awarded by a vote of national team coaches and captains -- just over 400 in total, though judging from last year's numbers, a fair few forget to return their ballots. It has been running since 1991.

    The third and newest award is that of FIFPro, the international organization made up of players' associations from around the globe. This is only the second year that it will stage an awards ceremony (its prize will get handed out on Nov. 6 in Athens), and it has numbers on its side: Any of the 43,000 professionals from its 42 member associations is entitled to vote, though how many bother to do so is another issue.

    To prevent embarrassment, each award has a short list. This is necessary because, like the humorous folks who write in the name of joke candidates on real electoral ballots, voters can make curious choices. Like nominating Russell Latapy as player of the year, as one national team manager did in the FIFA vote a few seasons back. Or, as France Football's Albanian jurist did in the 1980s, regularly picking one of his countrymen as Europe's best player.

    Of course, the short lists vary. FIFPro has 55 names (theoretically one for every position in a World XI), the Ballon d'Or 50 and FIFA just 30. Now, you might think that if you're good enough to be on FIFA's list of the best, you'd be a lock for the other two -- not so. In fact, only 23 players appear on all three short lists.

    Of the three, FIFA's award tends to be more of a popularity contest. That's because most of the voters, frankly, don't watch much soccer. The opinion of the coach of Montserrat counts as much as that of Marcello Lippi, whose team won the World Cup. Thus, it is far more likely to be influenced by things such as highlight reels, big names and the World Cup.

    France Football's award is definitely Francophile in terms of its short list. Yes, the likes of Cris, Grégory Coupet and Ludovic Giuly -- none of whom had any impact at Germany 2006, but all of whom are either French or play in France -- are among the world's top 50, according to the brain trust at France Football.

    Mercifully, because the vote is spread around Europe, the winners are a little more balanced -- though, again, some guys have a built-in advantage. Andriy Shevchenko, for example, won last year on the strength of the former Soviet republics. If you were to exclude their votes (and they only exist because of the breakup of the U.S.S.R.), Ronaldinho would have taken the award.

    In theory, FIFPro's award ought to be more meaningful. After all, recognition from one's peers is the highest accolade, no? The problem is that anyone who has hung out with professionals will tell you that some of them would rather stick a fork in their ear than watch soccer on TV. Also, voting is limited to the 42 member associations, which is rather harsh.

    Within those 42, some -- read: Italy, England, Spain -- are much larger than others, which means they have more voting members. And, of course, it also depends on how diligent a member association is in making its members fill out and return ballots, as well as how seriously they take the vote.

    So after reading all this, you're still wondering who's going to win, right?

    The answer is that I have no idea, but I suspect we'll get three different winners. Many of those who shone in the first six months of the year (Ronaldinho, Samuel Eto'o, Kaká, Frank Lampard, Juan Román Riquelme) either didn't go or weren't too impressive at the World Cup. Those who did impress in Germany are either guys who don't usually win awards, such as defenders or goalkeepers (my choice, Gigi Buffon, Jens Lehmann, Fabio Cannavaro), or guys from lower-profile nations or clubs, who tend to get overlooked (Didier Drogba, Miroslav Klose, Franck Ribéry).

    Whatever happens, there is sure to be endless debate. Which is fine, just as long as nobody breathes the fumes in his garage long enough to vote for Zinédine Zidane.

    Leaving aside the fact that Zizou retired (and thus should not even be eligible), going through the motions for a few months at Real Madrid and playing 2½ good games in Germany should not make you Player of the Year. And that's without mentioning that his actions may well have cost France the World Cup.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:09 pm

    you dont see me complaining do you. Very Happy
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    Post by Rez Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:03 am

    Real really look like a team with the world player of the year. Cannavaro winning it after being humilated by the3 mighty John Carew and every half decent striker in Spain, totally devalued the award for me.
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    Post by Rosicky Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:13 am

    1. Drogba
    2. Ronaldo
    3. Kaka - dont see how he can win it unless milan win CL.
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:15 am

    nope has by far not looked like that for real no doubt.allthough he very well against barca,valencia and sevilla in the first half year but aside from that he has done little. but he did look great for juve and then italy so he fully deserved it.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:31 am

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    Post by fcb Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:06 am

    No point predicting now. The winner will be whoever does well from September-December, with the title winners getting only a cursory mention in the consideration.

    So don't be surprised if Ronaldinho and Etoo are back in the running if they start off well in the new season...but if we had to pick a winner at this point it obviously would be Cristiano Ronaldo.
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    Post by A & K Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:34 am

    1 Ronaldo
    2 Drogba
    3 Kanoute
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    Post by mongrel hawk Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:28 am

    but the article was written BEFORE cana won. Wink

    but if you were saying the article got it wrong because it thought the awards would go towards different directions, then ok...


    bluenine wrote:The article is a good and accurate critique of the awards <Ale>

    However, he got one thing wrong - Cannavaro won all 3 last year Wink


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    Post by mongrel hawk Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:30 am

    @kas

    as far as I know, the votes are submitted soon after the season ends, at least in the fifa award.



    kas wrote:No point predicting now. The winner will be whoever does well from September-December, with the title winners getting only a cursory mention in the consideration.

    So don't be surprised if Ronaldinho and Etoo are back in the running if they start off well in the new season...but if we had to pick a winner at this point it obviously would be Cristiano Ronaldo.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:46 pm

    shazlx wrote:I\think Ronaldo will win but IMO his performance this year does not compare to Ronaldihno's, Eto'os and Henry's performance of previous years. He has consistently shown great dribbling, trickery and power but not vision, awareness and passing. I personally don't think that the WPOY should go to any player that does not consistently show these qualities. So My WPOY would be Drogba as he has consistently shown awareness, vision and the passing (knock downs do count) to go with it.

    What season of Henry's?

    2003/2004 or 2005/2006.
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:43 pm

    Right now it should be

    C.Ronaldo
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    Post by 110% Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:23 pm

    OwenThomas4 wrote:Kaka? Oh ffs!

    Couldn't agree with you more. Not even the best player at Milan (seedorf), only performed for about 6 or 7 games in the CL. Totti's been better in the league, as have countless Inter players.
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    Post by shazlx Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:27 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    shazlx wrote:I\think Ronaldo will win but IMO his performance this year does not compare to Ronaldihno's, Eto'os and Henry's performance of previous years. He has consistently shown great dribbling, trickery and power but not vision, awareness and passing. I personally don't think that the WPOY should go to any player that does not consistently show these qualities. So My WPOY would be Drogba as he has consistently shown awareness, vision and the passing (knock downs do count) to go with it.

    What season of Henry's?

    2003/2004 or 2005/2006.

    The previous 4 seasons

    Last year both Edu and Vieira had just left; and Bergkamp was too old. Also Pires and Ljungberg were waining. To add to that, Reyes did not develope as we hoped for various reason and Wenger did not trust V.Persie. Helb was adjusting to a new league. To add to all of this, Sol had his injuries/issues and Toure spent a while at the ANC, A.Hole and clichy were out for the whole season.

    The year before Gilberto and Edu were out for most of the season which added to Vieira's worst season (we played a 17 y/o cesc and a 19 y/o flamini against chelsea). Also, Reyes faded after the promising start. We still came 2nd but I doubt we could have reached chelsea's point unless we beat them twice (drew with them twice with Henry out in the away fixture).

    Both these seasons Henry still performed well individually being the highest scorer in each season.
    The season before we went unbeaten. The season before that henry had a world class season earning him second in both the EPOY and WPOY.

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