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    Post by Machiavel Mon May 21, 2007 5:49 pm

    Who should a neutral support in Wednesday's Champions League final between Liverpool and Milan?

    Where are you from? England or Italy? Obviously, you are expected to support the team who represent your own country, but complications do arise (see below). But if it is to be dumbed down to a simple case of England versus Italy, first make sure there are no dual-nationality issues, then check your loved one is not from the opposing country and if he/she is not, you should be in no doubt who to follow in Athens.

    Which domestic side do you support? This is where it gets interesting. With rivalries so fierce in both the Premiership and Serie A, allegiances for the final could be based on levels of hatred felt towards one of Wednesday's night's participants. And with both sides involved in some of the fiercest rivalries in the world, there are plenty of people out there whose interest in the game is unlikely to be entirely neutral. So, depending on your levels of bias, if you are an Everton or Manchester United fan, you should shout for Milan, while Internazionale and Juventus followers should get behind Liverpool.

    Do you have any particular footballing grievances against either side? Think back to any previous meetings between your club and Liverpool or Milan. Has there ever been a particularly controversial moment that has cost your side victory? Perhaps one the two sides has cost your own team dear; Champions League qualification or maybe even your team was relegated by a result involving one of them?

    Do you have anything in particular against one of the players who will be appearing in Milan? Does Rino Gattuso get under your skin? How about Craig Bellamy? Does Pippo Inzaghi and his inability to stay on his feet grind your gears? Do some of the Liverpool players' lifestyles annoy you? Well, get right behind the other team!

    Do you have any personal issues involving Liverpool or Milan? Did an ex-girlfriend use to wear a Liverpool shirt in bed? Did a Milan ultra give you an 'obscene' gesture at the San Siro once? Did that waiter in the café opposite the Duomo short-change you on your summer holidays five years ago? Does Jamie Carragher's accent leave you confused and upset? A personal grievance could prove to be the difference and swing you towards, or away from, one of the two sides.

    Are you the jealous type? If your club has not seen the same levels of success as Liverpool or Milan, then jealousy could lean you towards one or the other. Liverpool have been European champions five times and won the English league a record 18 times, while Milan have claimed six European gongs and 17 Scudetti. Only Real Madrid have won more European Cups, and let's face it, everyone hates them.

    Either way, to watch the game as a real neutral kills any kind of enjoyment. Football is all about passion and excitement, so get behind one of the teams, for whatever reason, and support them to the full. You'll have more fun, and at the end of the day, you won't be left disappointed.


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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon May 21, 2007 5:56 pm

    I'm not too fussed who wins but I would rather Milan simply because I prefer their style of football. Also all the glory-hunting Liverpool fans who will flock to the pubs on Wednesday will be utterly unbearable if they win again. If Liverpool play well and win though I wouldn't be disappointed or anything like that, I just prefer Milan.

    If there is one thing I desperately want to happen though it is for one team to win the game outright. It seems that a lot of major games and ties have been decided on penalties or away goals in recent years (WC final, two recent FA cup finals, Liverpool's semi-final and last CL final, etc) and whilst for a neutral they are exciting and the tension incredible, I feel that it slightly diminishes the win, so I would ideally like to see a game decided in normal time.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 5:58 pm

    Ye I think we've all had enough of penalties now!
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    Post by Guest Mon May 21, 2007 6:00 pm

    Get behind Liverpool. After all the bad press we've had, people forget to mention the fact that we've provided neutrals with two of footballs best ever finals in the past two years. Amazing how people tend to dwell on the negatives when talking about Liverpool, and that's not me making a fuss over nothing - It's a fact. After one poor Semi final we're '$h!t on a stick.' Yeah, ok.
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    Post by Machiavel Mon May 21, 2007 6:05 pm

    I will be supporting Milan because of the legacy of Ruud Gullit and to some lesser extent Marco van Basten .. as their ex-teammates Ancelotti, Costacurta and Maldini are still at the club .. plus their colours are Red + Black and plus everyone wants Maldini to reach (or get close) to Francisco Gento's record of most European Cup wins ..

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    The Tie (Real Madrid v Milan) .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq-mKlhDraw .. what a goal in the 2nd leg by Ancelotti ! Rijkaard, Gullit, Dondadoni also scores .. and van Basten

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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Mon May 21, 2007 6:12 pm

    Top post Rai.

    Obviously my contribution to this thread is meaningless because I am a partisan in this case.

    However, the notion that Liverpool are getting all this negative press is certainly true, but the bad publicity is NOWHERE near what Milan have got. I submit for the record the gem that I posted in the Milan vs Liverpool thread in this section.
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    Post by Murray Mon May 21, 2007 6:30 pm

    All neutrals should support Milan, not the anti-football hoofers of Liverpool.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 6:31 pm

    Murray wrote:All neutrals should support Milan, not the anti-football hoofers of Liverpool.

    They wouldn't be neutrals if they supported Milan
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Mon May 21, 2007 6:32 pm

    Every neutral "real" Football supports Milan no doubt....
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    Post by Deano Mon May 21, 2007 6:36 pm

    I'll be supporting Milan, due to the fact I always want them or Roma (not always in it) to win the CL anyway.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 6:37 pm

    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:I'll be supporting Milan, due to the fact I always want them or Roma (not always in it) to win the CL anyway.

    What every season? be a bit boring wouldn't it?
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    Post by Deano Mon May 21, 2007 6:42 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:I'll be supporting Milan, due to the fact I always want them or Roma (not always in it) to win the CL anyway.

    What every season? be a bit boring wouldn't it?

    Well it doesn't happen every season does it, Milan have been knocked out before the final, Roma often don't get out of the group.

    I have my preferences and they are one of them, however if you win I'm not going to be bothered as I have nothing against you either. Just dislike yur manager.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 6:45 pm

    What is wrong with Benitez?, just because he played a weakened side at Fulham? even if he had played his full strength team Fulham probably would have won because we didn't care about the league if we're being honest after we qualified for the final.

    Any other manager would have rested players in Benitez's position
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    Post by Deano Mon May 21, 2007 6:48 pm

    Luis wrote:What is wrong with Benitez?, just because he played a weakened side at Fulham? even if he had played his full strength team Fulham probably would have won because we didn't care about the league if we're being honest after we qualified for the final.

    Any other manager would have rested players in Benitez's position

    Not really, that annoyed me at the time. He just annoys me with certain things. Such as the Lucas Neill deal. He had to belittle us and call us a small club because Neill decided to move to us.

    After the FA Cup final, he said that you thoroughly deserved the win Laugh...
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 6:50 pm

    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:
    Luis wrote:What is wrong with Benitez?, just because he played a weakened side at Fulham? even if he had played his full strength team Fulham probably would have won because we didn't care about the league if we're being honest after we qualified for the final.

    Any other manager would have rested players in Benitez's position

    Not really, that annoyed me at the time. He just annoys me with certain things. Such as the Lucas Neill deal. He had to belittle us and call us a small club because Neill decided to move to us.

    After the FA Cup final, he said that you thoroughly deserved the win Laugh...

    Find me the quote where Benitez said 'West Ham are a small club' he may have said something like 'I am surprised that Niell has joined a smaller club' which you are, you can't argue with that, and Niell said that Liverpool didn't show enough to sign him, which I don't believe is true, it must have been about the money Deano

    and I think we did deserve to win that final, we looked dead and buried but still managed to score a late late goal and after that the cup was ours
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    Post by Deano Mon May 21, 2007 6:53 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:
    Luis wrote:What is wrong with Benitez?, just because he played a weakened side at Fulham? even if he had played his full strength team Fulham probably would have won because we didn't care about the league if we're being honest after we qualified for the final.

    Any other manager would have rested players in Benitez's position

    Not really, that annoyed me at the time. He just annoys me with certain things. Such as the Lucas Neill deal. He had to belittle us and call us a small club because Neill decided to move to us.

    After the FA Cup final, he said that you thoroughly deserved the win Laugh...

    Find me the quote where Benitez said 'West Ham are a small club' he may have said something like 'I am surprised that Niell has joined a smaller club' which you are, you can't argue with that, and Niell said that Liverpool didn't show enough to sign him, which I don't believe is true, it must have been about the money Deano

    and I think we did deserve to win that final, we looked dead and buried but still managed to score a late late goal and after that the cup was ours

    Never said we wasn't smaller than you...

    You scored a late goal after looking dead and buried-Exactly...how is that a sign of you deserving it when we were in control. The extra time you had 0 attempts at our goal, we hit the post,bar and had a shot brilliantly saved by Reina.

    I'm not going to get into the FA Cup discussion again as we'll disagree. The fact is I have no problem with your club or fans, I just dislike Benitez.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 6:54 pm

    I think it's petty to be honest buy you have your reasons so let's leave it at that
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    Post by Tom Mon May 21, 2007 7:00 pm

    Im going for Milan. Im just hoping for them to go 3-0 up, Liverpool fans to think oh we've done this before, then to get crushed 7-0.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon May 21, 2007 7:09 pm

    No offence Luis but isn't this for neutrals to give there opinion without being interrogated.

    I'm with Milan not only because it's Liverpool but I I've always been a fan of there's and its good to lose to the winners.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 7:10 pm

    Parks lives wrote:No offence Luis but isn't this for neutrals to give there opinion without being interrogated.

    I'm with Milan not only because it's Liverpool but I I've always been a fan of there's and its good to lose to the winners.

    Ye I know, I'm cool with it, I just don't get his hatred for Benitez, who's a harmless character
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    Post by Deano Mon May 21, 2007 7:11 pm

    Luis wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:No offence Luis but isn't this for neutrals to give there opinion without being interrogated.

    I'm with Milan not only because it's Liverpool but I I've always been a fan of there's and its good to lose to the winners.

    Ye I know, I'm cool with it, I just don't get his hatred for Benitez, who's a harmless character

    I gave you my reasons and yet you tried having a pop at all 3 of them...

    Fair enough, I like Benitez now, he's great. Ale
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 7:13 pm

    All I'm saying is 'Hate' is a strong word for a manager who doesn't like to provoke
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    Post by golsud Mon May 21, 2007 7:13 pm

    Ballack wrote:Im going for Milan. Im just hoping for them to go 3-0 up, Liverpool fans to think oh we've done this before, then to get crushed 7-0.

    Laughing
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    Post by Deano Mon May 21, 2007 7:14 pm

    Luis I said disliked...not hated Ale
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 7:14 pm

    Sorry Deano, you are forgiven!
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    Post by Parks lives Mon May 21, 2007 7:14 pm

    golsud wrote:
    Ballack wrote:Im going for Milan. Im just hoping for them to go 3-0 up, Liverpool fans to think oh we've done this before, then to get crushed 7-0.

    Laughing

    lol!
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    Post by fcb Mon May 21, 2007 7:32 pm

    I don't really care either way...but if I was forced to pick one I'd say Milan because I want to see Maldini lift it again, and Milan can also get closer to overtaking Madrid's 9, since we aren't doing it any time soon.
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    Post by COTR Mon May 21, 2007 7:37 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    golsud wrote:
    Ballack wrote:Im going for Milan. Im just hoping for them to go 3-0 up, Liverpool fans to think oh we've done this before, then to get crushed 7-0.

    Laughing

    lol!

    Oh it's sweet to be in the final


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    Post by Parks lives Mon May 21, 2007 7:38 pm

    Supposed to be for neutrals Child.
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    Post by Luis Mon May 21, 2007 7:38 pm

    Now now COTR...

    Why do people think I am the biggest Liverpool WUM?

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