Flumps must go, Ballack the new midfield leader

flumps is wasted space on the field, nobody need a midfielder like him who shoots from 50 meters and hopes the ball gets deflected into the facking goal

ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

so drop flumps, and chelsea will stop with there long ball tactics,

oh yeahh drop flumps from the englisch team too,

I agree with you're insight Deisler.

Malouda in, Lampard out would work very well.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=470479&CPID=21&clid=128&lid=8&title=Ranieri+in+Lamps+approach

J.Cole-----Essien-----Ballack----Robben
------------------Mikel.

IMO unbeatable by any team in Europe. Lucky for the rest of us it won't happen

Is Mikel in front or behind the other 4 there?

shazlx wrote:J.Cole-----Essien-----Ballack----Robben
------------------Mikel.

IMO unbeatable by any team in Europe. Lucky for the rest of us it won't happen

i dont think so

Deisler wrote:

shazlx wrote:J.Cole-----Essien-----Ballack----Robben
------------------Mikel.

IMO unbeatable by any team in Europe. Lucky for the rest of us it won't happen

i dont think so

because....

Parks lives wrote:Is Mikel in front or behind the other 4 there?

Behind the striker is you prefer attacking (thats what i would prefer); in front of the defense if you want to play defensive.

That's a hell of a midfield

shazlx wrote:[quote="Parks lives"]Is Mikel in front or behind the other 4 there?[/quote

Behind the striker is you prefer attacking (thats what i would prefer); in front of the defense if you want to play defensive.

Defensive would be better surely, considering Ballack is at his best when he can play a free role and break forward.

Basically -

--------------- Defence ------------

J.Cole-----Essien-----Mikel----Robben
-----------------Ballack.

Parks lives wrote:Is Mikel in front or behind the other 4 there?

It would be behind, as Joey Cole plays on the left.

Target Man SSK wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Is Mikel in front or behind the other 4 there?

It would be behind, as Joey Cole plays on the left.

Joe Cole can play either side. Same as Robben though I'd prefer Robben on the left personally if I was choosing between the two.

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

this midfield is not superior to other midfields, of course they are defenitly in the top5 midfields

the midfield from barca is better in my opinion, when they inform

j.cole and robben not that special players, of course they are good, but not the best in the world

ac milan with pirlo, kaka, gattuso, the hell they are better

the new bayern midfield is not far away from all that midfields

Deisler wrote:this midfield is not superior to other midfields, of course they are defenitly in the top5 midfields

the midfield from barca is better in my opinion, when they inform

j.cole and robben not that special players, of course they are good, but not the best in the world

ac milan with pirlo, kaka, gattuso, the hell they are better

the new bayern midfield is not far away from all that midfields

Its Cr@p

and mikel, come on, you need a real central creative midfielder

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

Deisler wrote:and mikel, come on, you need a real central creative midfielder

He's basically taking over from Makelele.

No need to be creative (even though he is more creative than Makelele).

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

:doh:

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm just pointing out that Ballack will not get half the number of goals that Lampard gets.

If we drop him, we must find 20 more goals from midfield.

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

Yeah good call - he did score home and away against Bayern a few years ago, but they're not really a big team.

Only exceptions to this rule probably Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal who he's scored against. Not forgetting his goal in a CL semi vs Monaco.

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm just pointing out that Ballack will not get half the number of goals that Lampard gets.

If we drop him, we must find 20 more goals from midfield.

you dont need a midfielder with 20 goals, 2 strikers with each 15 goals is pretty good

ballack is good enough next year for 15 goals too

robben and cole dangerous too on the wings, and with ballacks header qualities, the hell

Hardrada wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

Yeah good call - he did score home and away against Bayern a few years ago, but they're not really a big team.

Only exceptions to this rule probably Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal who he's scored against. Not forgetting his goal in a CL semi vs Monaco.

yeah that one good outstanding season he had, but after that, he scores sometimes, but he helps not to take control over the midfield,

against barca and liverpool you were outplayed, only your never give up mentality helps you,

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm just pointing out that Ballack will not get half the number of goals that Lampard gets.

If we drop him, we must find 20 more goals from midfield.

I've said before, the rest of the team will score more goals as you will have better possession in better areas of the pitch. Not only that, but I think this midfield is even more harder to score against than the one you currently have. - you will loose Lampard's hard work but you will gain better possession an consequently the opposition will have less chances.

Deisler wrote:

Hardrada wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

Yeah good call - he did score home and away against Bayern a few years ago, but they're not really a big team.

Only exceptions to this rule probably Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal who he's scored against. Not forgetting his goal in a CL semi vs Monaco.

yeah that one good outstanding season he had, but after that, he scores sometimes, but he helps not to take control over the midfield,

against barca and liverpool you were outplayed, only your never give up mentality helps you,

wow. something accurate from Deisler

Deisler wrote:
against barca and liverpool you were outplayed, only your never give up mentality helps you,

Barca - When? Not this season surely?

Liverpool - Sure at Anfield, but at the Bridge I think they only had 1 shot all match.

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm just pointing out that Ballack will not get half the number of goals that Lampard gets.

If we drop him, we must find 20 more goals from midfield.

Doesn't work like that. Also take away set pieces and Lampard has probably the same amount as Ballack.

L.r.d wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm just pointing out that Ballack will not get half the number of goals that Lampard gets.

If we drop him, we must find 20 more goals from midfield.

Doesn't work like that. Also take away set pieces and Lampard has probably the same amount as Ballack.

and penalties

Deisler wrote:and mikel, come on, you need a real central creative midfielder

Have u seen Mikel play in a more attacking role?

L.r.d wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:

S4P2 wrote:

Deisler wrote:
ballack knows how to control a midfield and is goalscoring too, he is a better passer and had more football brain

:doh:

Lampard: 62 games, 21 goals.
Ballack: 46 games, 8 goals.

yeah great stats for flumps, but had he ever a good game in big matches, this guy is not a big game player, because he is to limited against big teams, because there is no space

I agree with the rest of what you said. I'm just pointing out that Ballack will not get half the number of goals that Lampard gets.

If we drop him, we must find 20 more goals from midfield.

Doesn't work like that. Also take away set pieces and Lampard has probably the same amount as Ballack.

Lampard scored 3 penalties and 2 free kicks. Ballack scored 1 penalty and 1 free kick.