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Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

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Post n°1

Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Ä Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:06 pm

in a nutshell

there are four groups

Switzerland , Austria (the hosts) and Greece (the holders) will head one group each, leaving one spot (not Germany after a poor 2004)

the second seeds will be determined based on Euro qualifying results (Germany will be safe after our sensational run)

teams in contention: France, Germany, Italy, Holland, Portugal, Spain...

add England, the Czechs...

you can quickly understand that next year there could be even TWO GROUPS OF DEATH

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http://www.fr-online.de/in_und_ausland/sport/aktuell/?sid=46851698a9407df6dcf5d641169f38a1&em_cnt=1150377

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Post n°2

Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Super Progress Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:29 pm

well greece arent safe in qualifing i think so it might be as bad as you say but it could nasty. on the other hand once in a while the big ones should get it rough too.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Ä Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:35 pm

to be honest, there could easily be one or two VERY EASY groups

imagine Greece or Austria heading a group each

Holland and Croatia could join them respecively

followed by Russia and Denmark

+ who cares

the big boys could all crowd TWO groups

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Super Progress Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:42 pm

that would be great imo. the big teams play Cr@p football(not germany of course) anyway no matter who they meet so they might aswell do it on a high level. im not sure that all the top teams can get in the same group though.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Deano Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:44 pm

Switzerland aren't exactly $h!t either...

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Axeslammer Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:54 pm

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:to be honest, there could easily be one or two VERY EASY groups

imagine Greece or Austria heading a group each

Holland and Croatia could join them respecively

followed by Russia and Denmark

+ who cares

the big boys could all crowd TWO groups

Make that Germany instead of Holland and you´re right on all accounts.

Everyone knows UEFA/FIFA rig the draws to help Germany...

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Fey Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:54 pm

lol!

I remember you saying something like the Swizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz were second favo's to win it after Germany!

Imagine we get grouped with each other again Otto.....sending you home again Biggrin

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Royal Dutch vs Teutonic Horde

Cant get better the that one!!
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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Murray Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:58 pm

The Swiss and Austrians shouldn't be top seeds just because they are hosts. Makes the seedings a complete shambles.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Deano Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:01 pm

Murray wrote:The Swiss and Austrians shouldn't be top seeds just because they are hosts. Makes the seedings a complete shambles.

Luckily...it won't effect you Ale

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by lionman Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:03 pm

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:in a nutshell

there are four groups

Switzerland , Austria (the hosts) and Greece (the holders) will head one group each, leaving one spot (not Germany after a poor 2004)

the second seeds will be determined based on Euro qualifying results (Germany will be safe after our sensational run)

teams in contention: France, Germany, Italy, Holland, Portugal, Spain...

add England, the Czechs...

you can quickly understand that next year there could be even TWO GROUPS OF DEATH

http://www.fr-online.de/in_und_ausland/sport/aktuell/?sid=46851698a9407df6dcf5d641169f38a1&em_cnt=1150377

This report seems wrong to me.
Here is the official regulation from the UEFA-site:
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19079.pdf
Article 7.04:
Coefficients
The seeded teams will be the host associations, with the reigning European champions if they qualify, and one or two teams with the best coefficents on the basis on results achieved in the 2006 FIFA World Cup qualifying competition and/or in the qualifying competition for the 2006/08 UEFA European Football Championship. The other finalists will be assigned to the four groups by means of a draw, according to their coefficents.

So the coefficients are based solely on qualification results and not the last Euros (btw, that's how the UEFA-coefficents have always been calculated, and that's why Sweden were seeded in 2004)

Currently, I think Germany would have the best coefficent (2,714), as only the results of this qualification are used for them.
Anyway, there is no chance for two groups of death, as Austria are $h!t, and Switzerland and Greece are decent, but not worldbeaters, so only the group with the best coefficent are likely to become a group of dead.

What is more displeasing, is the fact that a "superbowl"-format is used like in the 2002 World Cup, which means that in the final one team of group A or B must play one team of group C or D, whereas in the 2006 World Cup any two teams could meet in the final.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Ä Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:05 pm

we could end up with a Group like this

Switzerland
Germany (the top two favourites)
Holland
Czech Republic

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by TM Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:09 pm

I know what your saying Otto, but then again you wont have any competition for finish bottom in that group Razz

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Murray Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:16 pm

Lucas Deano Neill wrote:

Murray wrote:The Swiss and Austrians shouldn't be top seeds just because they are hosts. Makes the seedings a complete shambles.

Luckily...it won't effect you

Affect

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Deano Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:51 pm

Murray wrote:

Lucas Deano Neill wrote:

Murray wrote:The Swiss and Austrians shouldn't be top seeds just because they are hosts. Makes the seedings a complete shambles.

Luckily...it won't effect you

Affect

Correcting spellings/grammar is basically the most pathetic way to try and take advantage of an arguement...

Congratulations Ale

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by DD Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:03 pm

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:we could end up with a Group like this

~~Switzerland~~ Latvia
Germany (the top two favourites)
Holland
Czech Republic

Sounds familiar eh? Smile

Smile

*cough*2004*cough*

We all know what happpened to that one too. <Ale>

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Deano Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:04 pm

DD wrote:

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:we could end up with a Group like this

~~Switzerland~~ Latvia
Germany (the top two favourites)
Holland
Czech Republic

Sounds familiar eh? *cough*2004*cough*

We all know what happpened to that one too.

Worst Deutschland I have ever seen...

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by DD Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:06 pm

As for the Oranje, bring it on! Twisted Evil

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We're always in the group of death as we're always the strongest unseeded team. No matter what the tournie, WC or EC. Nothing unfamiliar for us, and nothing to fear.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by lionman Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:14 pm

I bothered to calculate the coefficients with the standing as of nowfor the teams likely to qualify fot the tournament. I decided to include Portugal, Turkey, England and the Netherlands, even though they are currently not under the top two placs in their groups. Play-off games for the WC 2006 are not considered (affecting Spain, Turkey and the Czech Republic).

team points ECQ games ECQ coefficient points WCQ games WCQ coefficient total coefficient
Poland 19 9 2,111111111 24 10 2,4 2,255555556
Portugal 14 7 2 30 12 2,5 2,25
France 18 7 2,571428571 20 10 2 2,285714286
Italy 16 7 2,285714286 23 10 2,3 2,292857143
Greece 18 7 2,571428571 21 12 1,75 2,160714286
Turkey 13 6 2,166666667 23 12 1,916666667 2,041666667
Germany 19 7 2,714285714 does not apply here 2,714285714
Czech Republic 14 7 2 27 12 2,25 2,125
Croatia 17 7 2,428571429 24 10 2,4 2,414285714
England 14 7 2 25 10 2,5 2,25
Sweden 18 7 2,571428571 24 10 2,4 2,485714286
Spain 15 7 2,142857143 20 10 2 2,071428571
Romania 17 7 2,428571429 25 12 2,083333333 2,255952381
Netherlands 14 6 2,333333333 32 12 2,666666667 2,5

Ranking
1. Greece (def. Champions) 2,161
2. Germany 2,714

3. Netherlands 2,5
4. Sweden 2,486
5. Croatia 2,414
6. Italy 2,293

7. France 2,286
8. Romania 2,256
9. Poland 2,256
10. Portugal* 2,25

11. England* 2,25
12. Czech Republic 2,125
13. Spain 2,071
14. Turkey 2,042

* places decided by average number of goals scored in ECQ

As can be seen, Germany are rather sure to be seeded; the Netherlands, Sweden and Croatia are quite sure to be in pot 2, the rest is still to close to call, with Spain and the Czech Republic likely to be in pot 4.

So thgis group is possible:
Germany
Netherlands
France
England

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Fey Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:24 pm

Hmmm that would be a very interesting group! Not only are all close neighbours/rivals.

This will be almost as strong as the Euro2000 group
with Holland, France, Czech, Denmark!

9 out of 3 for us <Ale>

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Cesc Soler Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:40 pm

That was the group of death!

Although I remember you being very lucky vs. Czech Republic as you only won through a last minute (debatable) De Boer penalty. France fielded a weakened XI against you guys as well.

The real football came with the match vs. Yugoslavia. <Ale>

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Fey Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:45 pm

Cesc wrote:That was the group of death!

Although I remember you being very lucky vs. Czech Republic as you only won through a last minute (debatable) De Boer penalty. France fielded a weakened XI against you guys as well.

The real football came with the match vs. Yugoslavia.

Haha, yeah! Funny thing was that I made it possible to MISS all Oranje matches in 2000 Laughing

Laughing

But that group was quality! Denmark and Czech were superb at that time!

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by DD Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:19 pm

lionman wrote:
So thgis group is possible:
Germany
Netherlands
France
England

Where can I sign?

This would be the group of death to rival all before (in which we were likely in anyhow).

I might as well choose this group as everything we will achieve (not much) will be in spite of Van Basten. Might as well go out with a bang if we do.

BTW Good work Lionman.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Super Progress Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:33 am

Fey wrote:

Cesc wrote:That was the group of death!

Although I remember you being very lucky vs. Czech Republic as you only won through a last minute (debatable) De Boer penalty. France fielded a weakened XI against you guys as well.

The real football came with the match vs. Yugoslavia.

Haha, yeah! Funny thing was that I made it possible to MISS all Oranje matches in 2000

But that group was quality! Denmark and Czech were superb at that time!

not really. the team was in transition and it was after this competetion that we started to organize.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Rasiak-9 Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:00 pm

Its the European c/ships. Theres always a group of death or two.

Like last time

Holland/Czech/Germany
Italy/Denmark/Sweden

In each case one of them had to go.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Deano Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:21 pm

England/France/Croatia/Switzerland

That wasn't exactly a great group to be in...

Still I haven't seen anything as difficult as the group we had in WC02

England/Argentina/Sweden/Nigeria.

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Re: Euro 2008 Seedings Fiasco

by Rez Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:00 pm

Argentina and Holland seem to get the worst groups.

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