HomeChampions Magazine, calculating two points for each victory and one for each draw, in all appearences (including knockout games) in the Champions' Cup/Champions League, from 1955 to today:
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Forza Italia!Forza Milan!
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Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U
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52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
Batman- Number of posts : 9071
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52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Batman Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:27 pm
Luis- Number of posts : 26262
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Luis Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:34 pm
I think in the last few years Liverpool have been the best team in European competition
Batman- Number of posts : 9071
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Batman Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:37 pm
I think Milan would disagree.
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by debaser Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:37 pm
despite milan doing better than you 4 out of the past 5 years?Luis wrote:I think in the last few years Liverpool have been the best team in European competition
Luis- Number of posts : 26262
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Luis Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:39 pm
Milan didn't deserve to win that final though, I think we're harder to beat than Milan to be honest in Europe
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Batman Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:44 pm
Luis wrote:Milan didn't deserve to win that final though, I think we're harder to beat than Milan to be honest in Europe
Translation:
Milan didn't deserve to win that final though, I think we're a more defensive team than Milan to be honest in Europe
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by debaser Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:44 pm
besiktas and marseille would beg to differ.Luis wrote:Milan didn't deserve to win that final though, I think we're harder to beat than Milan to be honest in Europe
Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U- Number of posts : 3621
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:45 pm
Luis wrote:Milan didn't deserve to win that final though, I think we're harder to beat than Milan to be honest in Europe
You've already lost twice this season. They deservedly beat you last year and should have won easily the previous time aswell. They have the best CL record by far recently. What on earth makes you say Liverpool are harder to beat?
Luis- Number of posts : 26262
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Luis Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:48 pm
We're far better than United in the competition, that's for sure
Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U- Number of posts : 3621
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:49 pm
Luis wrote:We're far better than United in the competition, that's for sure
Translation: Yeah, you're right.
Pierre Littbarski- Number of posts : 12424
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Pierre Littbarski Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:35 pm
FC Bayern Monaco 
Does this combine the points won by Bayern and ASM or what ?
Does this combine the points won by Bayern and ASM or what ?
Onur 1905- Number of posts : 243
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Onur 1905 Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:38 pm
definitely AC Milan
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by DS Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:33 pm
ExactlyPierre Littbarski wrote:FC Bayern Monaco
Does this combine the points won by Bayern and ASM or what ?
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Di Caniooooo! Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:52 pm
Bayern Monaco? 
TM- Number of posts : 21218
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by TM Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:53 pm
Sorry, the pic wont load on my screen, whos top?
StevieG- Number of posts : 1039
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by StevieG Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:02 pm
real madrid of course.
i fort liverpool would be higher tbh.
its good to see a chart without chelsea :]
i fort liverpool would be higher tbh.
its good to see a chart without chelsea :]
EM Seleção e Selecção- Number of posts : 2495
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by EM Seleção e Selecção Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:17 pm
Milan>>>>>>Liverpool in UCL
Forza Italia!Forza Milan!- Number of posts : 4759
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:11 pm
Luis wrote:I think in the last few years Liverpool have been the best team in European competition
DeLux- Number of posts : 4399
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by DeLux Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:09 pm
Dark Savante wrote:ExactlyPierre Littbarski wrote:FC Bayern Monaco
Does this combine the points won by Bayern and ASM or what ?
Bayern Monaco is in Italian.
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Effenberg Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:08 am
That "Bayern Monaco" always confuses me.
What do they call Monaco in Italian then?
What do they call Monaco in Italian then?
Luso- Number of posts : 3305
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Luso Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:21 am
Effenberg wrote:That "Bayern Monaco" always confuses me.
What do they call Monaco in Italian then?
That's actually an interesting question.
I know I was thrown off the first time I read the whole "Bayern Monaco" thing on an Italian site.
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Puro- Number of posts : 10679
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Puro Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:51 am
Any team that's winning around 60% of the points in play is doing a very respectable job in this tournament. I added Milan's points won, divided that total by points in play, and got .6625 success rate. Not bad at all, considering they've "thrown away" many points due to early qualification to next stage or ties "decided" in the first leg already. 
SuperMario- Number of posts : 16866
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by SuperMario Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:16 pm
The format of the old European Cup & the CL differ that much it makes no sense aggregating those data.
Furthermore clubs who particapate a lot, but never get close to trophees end up far too high in the ranking.
Better rankings overhere:
http://www.geocities.com/jfaugeras/ecruefa.html
Imo Real, Milan & Pool did the best because they won the trophee most.
My ranking would be based on number of wins, if that's tied on the number lost finals, if that's tied on lost SF's, etc.
Furthermore clubs who particapate a lot, but never get close to trophees end up far too high in the ranking.
Better rankings overhere:
http://www.geocities.com/jfaugeras/ecruefa.html
Imo Real, Milan & Pool did the best because they won the trophee most.
My ranking would be based on number of wins, if that's tied on the number lost finals, if that's tied on lost SF's, etc.
Roger Hunt- Number of posts : 10115
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Roger Hunt Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:14 pm
It clearly shows that Man U are chokers - winning games at the start of the CL but failing to progress and actually win trophies.
DeLux- Number of posts : 4399
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by DeLux Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:30 pm
Luso wrote:Effenberg wrote:That "Bayern Monaco" always confuses me.
What do they call Monaco in Italian then?
That's actually an interesting question.
I know I was thrown off the first time I read the whole "Bayern Monaco" thing on an Italian site.
Monaco di Baviera is Munchen's name in Italian. Monaco is Monaco.
DS- Number of posts : 12952
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by DS Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:42 pm
Oh ok ,I definately need to learn some Italian.
Puro- Number of posts : 10679
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Puro Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:51 pm
Roger Hunt wrote:It clearly shows that Man U are chokers - winning games at the start of the CL but failing to progress and actually win trophies.
Yes, the Mancs haven't made it to many Finals considering their outstanding success rate have they. Liverpool have a slightly better success rate than the Mancs, but Liverpool have won many Finals. Barcelona's success rate is almost the same as the Mancs, but the Catalans have been involved in many Finals (winning two) and that's not too shabby.
Good look out Roger!
Roger Hunt- Number of posts : 10115
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Roger Hunt Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:16 pm
Notts Forest must have the best wins ratio of anyone - entered twice, won twice.
debaser- Number of posts : 22064
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by debaser Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:23 pm
nu uh. they won twice in a row but also qualified for the next one as winners and went out in the first round.Roger Hunt wrote:Notts Forest must have the best wins ratio of anyone - entered twice, won twice.
similarly villa have a 50% success rate. won the only time they qualified from the league but lost in the qfs the next year as holders.
the power of the factoid.
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Re: 52 years of the Champions' Cup/Champions League, who is top?
by Kroos Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:20 pm
of course, bayern is second
not that bad
not that bad
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