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    Post by Luis Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:07 pm

    Saturday

    West Ham v Liverpool 12.45pm 1-1
    Arsenal v Newcastle 3-0
    Leicester v Bournemouth 2-0
    Man Utd v Swansea 2-0
    Norwich v Southampton 1-2
    Sunderland v Aston Villa 2-0
    West Brom v Stoke 1-1
    Watford v Man City 5.30pm 1-3

    Sunday

    Crystal Palace v Chelsea 1.30pm 1-1
    Everton v Tottenham 4pm 1-2
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    Post by Puro Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:52 am

    Luis wrote:Saturday

    West Ham v Liverpool 12.45pm 1-1
    Arsenal v Newcastle 3-0
    Leicester v Bournemouth 2-0
    Man Utd v Swansea 2-0
    Norwich v Southampton 1-2
    Sunderland v Aston Villa 2-0
    West Brom v Stoke 1-1
    Watford v Man City 5.30pm 1-3

    Sunday

    Crystal Palace v Chelsea 1.30pm 1-1
    Everton v Tottenham 4pm 1-2

    Happy New Year, mes amis!!!

    Shit load of goals, a carnival of goals shall be scored.

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    Post by Luis Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:51 am



    Mignolet, Clyne, Lovren, Sakho, Moreno, Lucas, Can, Firmino, Ibe, Coutinho, Benteke.
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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:27 pm

    Great Lanzini injured again 😭
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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:01 pm

    Carroll! 2-0!
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:04 pm

    Liverpool barely even had a honeymoon period under this chump.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:29 pm

    Really dreadful are Liverpool.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:43 pm

    Had West Ham BTTS. Useless scouse c**ts.
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    Post by Luis Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:55 pm

    It's pretty clear that we need major reinforcements now. The injury list is bad though to be fair:

    Sturridge
    Ings
    Origi
    Henderson
    Skrtel
    Gomez
    Milner

    The bench today was ghastly because of this list.

    But the players we had out there aren't good enough.

    Lovren and Ibe aside, and Smith when he came on, I don't think any other player showed anything at all today.

    I think we have a full back problem - Moreno and Clyne have no assists or goals all season. They bomb forward but are so ineffective in that final third. If you're going to be stuck with Benteke up front you have to have good delivery. Brad Smith's delivery was better than both our full backs were all game.

    Midfield was poor and misplaced many passes.

    The creative sparks should be Coutinho and Firmino. They have both been garbage for 6 weeks now. Coutinho is like Hazard at the minute, completely devoid of confidence and easily picked off by defenders who get close to him.

    We were slightly better for spells in the second half but West Ham easily scored their goals - routine cross for the big men to head home. Clyne was awful trying to defend these.

    I'll say it again - if the owners aren't prepared to give Klopp a good 50 million to spend in this window then we may as well have stuck with Rodgers.
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:57 pm

    Hmm, to watch Newcastle get raped by trained cheaters or to play Fallout.

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    Post by stinger Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:58 pm

    But but but.... Clyne is sooooo good... you said.

    Spending 50m in January is asking for trouble. Especially that selling players at the same time is very difficult, unless you want to loan 20m worth players Markovic-style

    christmasborocooper wrote:Had West Ham BTTS. Useless scouse c**ts.
    I know it lost, but it was a good bet to be honest. Just like WHU 1X.
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:47 pm

    Missed the chance to get anything here. Arsenal turned up thinking they were playing an u14 girls team, they'll wake up at half time.
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    Post by rosenthal Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:51 pm

    Villa are down now, Premier League survival as likely as Everton winning the league.
    Premier League ever present down from 7 to 6 clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur


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    Post by Luis Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:52 pm

    Villa can start planning for their season in the Championship now. Is this Garde fella the man to bring them back up though?

    Arsenal doing their classic making hard work of it but Ozil or Giroud to rescue them.

    Looks like United are struggling again. Palace and West Ham have a good chance to qualify for the Europa Leaue at this rate.
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:06 pm

    Missing sitter and sitter. Laughing
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    Post by Murray Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:09 pm

    Puro wrote:
    Luis wrote:Saturday

    West Ham v Liverpool 12.45pm 1-1
    Arsenal v Newcastle 3-0
    Leicester v Bournemouth 2-0
    Man Utd v Swansea 2-0
    Norwich v Southampton 1-2
    Sunderland v Aston Villa 2-0
    West Brom v Stoke 1-1
    Watford v Man City 5.30pm 1-3

    Sunday

    Crystal Palace v Chelsea 1.30pm 1-1
    Everton v Tottenham 4pm 1-2



    Happy New Year, mes amis!!!

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    Puro jinxed it again.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:14 pm

    Luis wrote:It's pretty clear that we need major reinforcements now. The injury list is bad though to be fair:

    Sturridge
    Ings
    Origi
    Henderson
    Skrtel
    Gomez
    Milner

    The bench today was ghastly because of this list.

    But the players we had out there aren't good enough.

    Lovren and Ibe aside, and Smith when he came on, I don't think any other player showed anything at all today.

    I think we have a full back problem - Moreno and Clyne have no assists or goals all season. They bomb forward but are so ineffective in that final third. If you're going to be stuck with Benteke up front you have to have good delivery. Brad Smith's delivery was better than both our full backs were all game.

    Midfield was poor and misplaced many passes.

    The creative sparks should be Coutinho and Firmino. They have both been garbage for 6 weeks now. Coutinho is like Hazard at the minute, completely devoid of confidence and easily picked off by defenders who get close to him.

    We were slightly better for spells in the second half but West Ham easily scored their goals - routine cross for the big men to head home. Clyne was awful trying to defend these.

    I'll say it again - if the owners aren't prepared to give Klopp a good 50 million to spend in this window then we may as well have stuck with Rodgers.

    I'll give you the injuries upfront, but really they are little excuse for Liverpool's poor defending. That's just down to poor squad balance - you have 6 bloody strikers all decent on paper must have cost near 60million to sign, yet little cover at the back or in defensive midfield. None of that is Klopps fault, I personally don't think it's fair to judge him too heavily yet as its relatively early days, but what you would expect is some improvement in Liverpools organization off the ball, which as of yet not really seeing. That would worry me if I were a Liverpool fan. 19 games he's had now with those players. Either it means an entire squad overhaul is needed or it's going to take some serious time before the real benefits start to emerge.
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:37 pm

    McClaren has this habit of not making changes until the last 10 minutes regardless of how things are going. scratch
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:06 pm

    Biggest daylight robbery ever! That match was as one sided as it could get, Newcastle were excellent.

    We are missing Santi big time, ball retention and transition from midfield to attack have been poor in his absence. Ozil has been carrying us the past weeks, he's been the one providing the assists but he's also had to drop deep to get the ball for us to the attacking 3rd.

    Given the fact that Wilshere has turned into another Diaby, we have to pay whatever it takes to bring in Gundogan.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:13 pm

    Watched that game, Arsenal were dog muck, dreadful and yet took the 3 points. The cliché is there about teams who win games playing badly and its 100percent relevant in this case, Arsenal look ominously like a team who will win the league. Which naturally would make sense given this is also Spurs' best season in a few years and let's be honest, if we somehow managed to finish 2nd, Arsenal would of course finish 1st, because they are a bunch trolling c**ts Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Kimbo Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:34 pm

    We were shit, Arsenal were as good as letting us into their 3rd to have a go, and we could have played all day and not scored.
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    Post by Luis Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:46 pm

    Isco Benny wrote:
    Luis wrote:It's pretty clear that we need major reinforcements now. The injury list is bad though to be fair:

    Sturridge
    Ings
    Origi
    Henderson
    Skrtel
    Gomez
    Milner

    The bench today was ghastly because of this list.

    But the players we had out there aren't good enough.

    Lovren and Ibe aside, and Smith when he came on, I don't think any other player showed anything at all today.

    I think we have a full back problem - Moreno and Clyne have no assists or goals all season. They bomb forward but are so ineffective in that final third. If you're going to be stuck with Benteke up front you have to have good delivery. Brad Smith's delivery was better than both our full backs were all game.

    Midfield was poor and misplaced many passes.

    The creative sparks should be Coutinho and Firmino. They have both been garbage for 6 weeks now. Coutinho is like Hazard at the minute, completely devoid of confidence and easily picked off by defenders who get close to him.

    We were slightly better for spells in the second half but West Ham easily scored their goals - routine cross for the big men to head home. Clyne was awful trying to defend these.

    I'll say it again - if the owners aren't prepared to give Klopp a good 50 million to spend in this window then we may as well have stuck with Rodgers.

    I'll give you the injuries upfront, but really they are little excuse for Liverpool's poor defending. That's just down to poor squad balance - you have 6 bloody strikers all decent on paper must have cost near 60million to sign, yet little cover at the back or in defensive midfield. None of that is Klopps fault, I personally don't think it's fair to judge him too heavily yet as its relatively early days, but what you would expect is some improvement in Liverpools organization off the ball, which as of yet not really seeing. That would worry me if I were a Liverpool fan. 19 games he's had now with those players. Either it means an entire squad overhaul is needed or it's going to take some serious time before the real benefits start to emerge.

    Well the defending and goal keeper has been an issue since Benitez left. At its worst during Rodgers' era of course - we were able to patch over it when Suarez scored 3 goals to win a game 3-2 but not any more.

    What baffles me is that we were able to dismantle City, Chelsea and Southampton and keep Leicester from scoring whilst being only the second team to beat them yet we looked so abject vs Newcastle, Watford and West Ham today. To me that's a mentality thing - look at Arsenal today; they have a weak mentality against teams they should walk over many times but the difference is they have Ozil or Sanchez or Giroud to pull them out. One of those players will always deliver the goods. For us it was Suarez, Gerrard, Coutinho or Sturridge. We now only have Coutinho left and he's clearly struggling trying to carry this team.

    The injuries clearly play a part. Yes it was the defence that cost us today ultimately but the pressure on them is immense when they know we'll probably only score one goal a game at the minute. We don't seem to have any real sense of scoring when Sturridge and Henderson are out. We roam clumsily forward, pass it around a few times then either Moreno, Clyne or Firmino/Coutinho will be poor in the final third. Benteke needs quality service or we may as well just play Coutino Firmino and Lallana/Ibe until we sign a striker or Origi or Sturridge return.

    I don't really think we need to sell that many players. I'd sell: Enrique, Skrtel, Allen, maybe Lallana.

    Strikers: Sturridge, Benteke, Ings/Origi and we need to sign one more.

    Attacking wide players: sign 1 to replace Sterling.

    1 ball playing central midfielder.

    Another full back and another centre back.

    New keeper.



    Klopp needs to decide whether to gamble with Sturridge anymore or sell him to America or City. Likewise Benteke. As a plan B yes, as a plan A no; I doubt he'll be happy to play second fiddle though.
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    Post by debaser Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:31 pm

    Haven't watched the last few. Just too painful watching a bunch of losers self-destruct week after week.

    Garde needs a chance with his own team, 'cause he's inherited a shitheap. That said the stench of abject misery which has been ever-present in his regime is making it seem his reign will not be a long one.

    Makes it real difficult with the January transfer window now. Nobody decent is going to wanna join a relegated team and a manager who might well be a dead man walking, but we need to regain some confidence and win the odd match before the end of season if there's to be any hope of being remotely competitive in the Championship. Best we can hope for is to clear out a bunch of the biggest losers and take a few punts on youngish players who've impressed in Championship, players who would jump at a few months in the Premier League and being at a team who will have a chance of bouncing back the next year.

    Relegation could be taken as a chance to refresh and to build a young team that can become competitive. But it could also be start of terminal decline and we won't be seen again in top flight for decades a la Forest, Leeds, Coventry, Sheffield Wednesday. Fans are so disengaged after years of unending shit and the apathy seems to be present at all levels of the club.
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    Post by Luis Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:58 pm

    One of the 'rats' Costa has scored 2. Chelsea looking good again. #justiceforjose
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    Post by Kimbo Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:39 pm

    It makes me feel a bit sick how players can blatantly slack off just because they don't like the manager, or whatever other reason, while they pick up their humongous wages. There's no real consequences for being shit in this sport, once they've got their 5 year contract they're set for life and can do what they want.
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    Post by Luis Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:48 pm

    Isn't that true of any profession though? You will work harder and perform better for someone you like and who treats you with respect most of the time.
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    Post by Luis Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:02 pm

    Should be a decent game this one - if Spurs win here they can't be caught. Everton need a win or mid table beckons.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:18 pm

    Luis wrote:Isn't that true of any profession though? You will work harder and perform better for someone you like and who treats you with respect most of the time.

    You'd get sacked if you were blatantly slacking off..
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    Post by Luis Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:37 pm

    christmasborocooper wrote:
    Luis wrote:Isn't that true of any profession though? You will work harder and perform better for someone you like and who treats you with respect most of the time.

    You'd get sacked if you were blatantly slacking off..

    How can anyone prove it? No one can prove Costa was shit because he didn't like Mourinho.
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    Post by stinger Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:55 pm

    Good match so far and two nice goals. Can see Spurs nicking it, but we are dangerous on the counter.

    From what I remember last season at Goodison Tottenham also dominated from the start, wondering if it's maybe Martinez tactic to deal with Spurs, as we rarely are defending so deep for so long.

    Btw, Lennon can shoot after all Yikes

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    Luis wrote:Isn't that true of any profession though? You will work harder and perform better for someone you like and who treats you with respect most of the time.

    You'd get sacked if you were blatantly slacking off..
    Thats why players don't get sacked. It's difficult to judge them slacking off as blatant. There's always an aspect of tactics, training regime, etc to balance out thing.

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