*Newcastle announce ground plans*

MENTAL NEWS!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/6517989.stm

Newcastle United have unveiled plans for a £300m development of St James' Park that will take the capacity at the stadium to at least 60,000.

The plans include a major conference centre, hotels and luxury apartments that the club are hoping will lead to the creation of 1,500 jobs.

"What we are proposing is something not just for the football club," said chairman Freddy Shepherd.

"But it is for the whole city and the people of Newcastle."

The Number 1 St James' Park project, as it has been described by the club, will be funded completely independently of the football club's revenues.

An application has yet to be submitted to planning chiefs and the project will take the form of a three-phase programme.
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I don't know what to make of this. £300m is a huge amount of money, where the fuck is it coming from??? And surely nows not the time to be expanding the stadium, season ticket sales will probably go down again in the summer.

stealing thunder

Aren't you on about 55,000 already?

Why spend £300 million on 5-10,000 seats.

From what I understand, the small stand cannot be increased in capacity because of the street behind it.

The only one that can be increased is the medium sized end stand that has that area with the crazy staircases at the front of it - £300m for 8000 seats seems a ridiculous amount of money though

Parks lives wrote:Aren't you on about 55,000 already?

Why spend £300 million on 5-10,000 seats.

52,387, and it says atleast 60'000, so it will probably be more. I'm assuming they're going to raise one of the remaining stands up to level 7 like the others. And most of this will be spent on the hotels etc, NUFC own a large chunk of land next to the stadium that they've been planning to use for a while - remember all that casino bollocks.

Sounds a bit like the Chelsea Village to me. We all know how that ended.

I think this is what it will look like.

So why can't you increase the small stand?

that's what I implied kimbo

Parks lives wrote:So why can't you increase the small stand?

You see the buildings behind it... they're listed buildings - they'd have to try and delist an enitre street and I've never seen that happen, EVER

Parks lives wrote:So why can't you increase the small stand?

Because of the listed housing behind.

Incidently Chelsea can't increase capacity on certain stands because of housing and the tain line that runs behind one of the stands.

Very gay.

Thats about 15,000 seats they could add there.

Tweedle wrote:

Parks lives wrote:So why can't you increase the small stand?

You see the buildings behind it... they're listed buildings - they'd have to try and delist an enitre street and I've never seen that happen, EVER

One day those buildings will mysteriously burn down Tweedle. You mark my words.

Cesc wrote:

Parks lives wrote:So why can't you increase the small stand?

Because of the listed housing behind.

Incidently Chelsea can't increase capacity on certain stands because of housing and the tain line that runs behind one of the stands.

Two lines... but they could always buildiver them, though this would massively increase the cost

Cesc wrote:

Parks lives wrote:So why can't you increase the small stand?

Because of the listed housing behind.

Incidently Chelsea can't increase capacity on certain stands because of housing and the tain line that runs behind one of the stands.

Don't United also have this problem also if they ever wish to expand?

Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

Still...they are a bigger team then Tottenham Hotsput.

Fey wrote:Still...they are a bigger team then Tottenham Hotsput.

In what way? They arent any more successful on the pitch thats for sure.

Neither are top 4, but Newcastle being the only one team within the city and no team within a fairly large radius, with the fanatical fat shirtless Geordies toon army, and the money and the history should be better than below midtable, but they aint

I Am Weasel wrote:Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

This sounds like a decent plan to me, i've talked in the past about the massive financial gap opening up between us and the top 4 and maybe this will do something about it. I'd rather they took a risk and did something to try and close the gap.

Aren't you a teansy bit jealous 1trick? I mean, surely Spurs(a club that often talks about breaking the top 4) should be doing something to improve their infrastructure?

I Am Weasel wrote:

Fey wrote:Still...they are a bigger team then Tottenham Hotsput.

In what way? They arent any more successful on the pitch thats for sure.

Neither are top 4, but Newcastle being the only one team within the city and no team within a fairly large radius, with the fanatical fat shirtless Geordies toon army, and the money and the history should be better than below midtable, but they aint

Well let's face it, what did Tottenham do before Jol? NUFC got close to the title not that long ago, cant be said from spurs. Newcastle has some very decent youth players comming thru!!! Having that said, Newcastle doesnt receive bye's in the UEFA cup!!! Yes they have alot of money, but so do you!

I Am Weasel wrote:

Fey wrote:Still...they are a bigger team then Tottenham Hotsput.

In what way? They arent any more successful on the pitch thats for sure.

Neither are top 4, but Newcastle being the only one team within the city and no team within a fairly large radius, with the fanatical fat shirtless Geordies toon army, and the money and the history should be better than below midtable, but they aint

To be fair we have challenged for the title in recent history and have played champions league football.

And Sunderland is just 8 miles down the road.

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

This sounds like a decent plan to me, i've talked in the past about the massive financial gap opening up between us and the top 4 and maybe this will do something about it. I'd rather they took a risk and did something to try and close the gap.

Aren't you a teansy bit jealous 1trick? I mean, surely Spurs(a club that often talks about breaking the top 4) should be doing something to improve their infrastructure?

But throwing money at the problem isnt the way. How much was Luque again?
Yeah its not a BAD idea at all, but I reckon investing money into the Academy so you dont lose players like Carrick and other successful Wallsend BC players would be a better idea.

Increasing the size of White Hart Lane wont make a major difference. What will is bringing in a technical youth director from Sporting Lisbon who has experience of running one of the most successful youth teams in Europe, and creating a new coaching role for one of his experienced men to work specifically on player technique. In the short time they've been there Spurs already look like a team who can actually PASS the ball, which is often a commodity on the Premiership.

I reckon Sheppard uses that money to pay himself and Roeder off, and allow a new coach and chairman to take over. With half decent backroom staff you'd be top 6 again EASILY.

Fey wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:

Fey wrote:Still...they are a bigger team then Tottenham Hotsput.

In what way? They arent any more successful on the pitch thats for sure.

Neither are top 4, but Newcastle being the only one team within the city and no team within a fairly large radius, with the fanatical fat shirtless Geordies toon army, and the money and the history should be better than below midtable, but they aint

Well let's face it, what did Tottenham do before Jol? NUFC got close to the title not that long ago, cant be said from spurs. Newcastle has some very decent youth players comming thru!!! Having that said, Newcastle doesnt receive bye's in the UEFA cup!!! Yes they have alot of money, but so do you!

Anti-semite's arent allowed opinions: your foreskin clouds your judgement

I Am Weasel wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

This sounds like a decent plan to me, i've talked in the past about the massive financial gap opening up between us and the top 4 and maybe this will do something about it. I'd rather they took a risk and did something to try and close the gap.

Aren't you a teansy bit jealous 1trick? I mean, surely Spurs(a club that often talks about breaking the top 4) should be doing something to improve their infrastructure?

But throwing money at the problem isnt the way. How much was Luque again?
Yeah its not a BAD idea at all, but I reckon investing money into the Academy so you dont lose players like Carrick and other successful Wallsend BC players would be a better idea.

Increasing the size of White Hart Lane wont make a major difference. What will is bringing in a technical youth director from Sporting Lisbon who has experience of running one of the most successful youth teams in Europe, and creating a new coaching role for one of his experienced men to work specifically on player technique. In the short time they've been there Spurs already look like a team who can actually PASS the ball, which is often a commodity on the Premiership.

I reckon Sheppard uses that money to pay himself and Roeder off, and allow a new coach and chairman to take over. With half decent backroom staff you'd be top 6 again EASILY.

The Academy has had alot of investment, it started under Bobby Robson. This is why we've been in the Youth Cup semi's for 2 years in a row and have some good players coming through.

Surely you're not saying Spurs academy is better than ours. And i hope you're not saying we don't focus on technique, Beardsley is one of our coaches FFS!!! He's not likely to be teaching them hoofing.

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

This sounds like a decent plan to me, i've talked in the past about the massive financial gap opening up between us and the top 4 and maybe this will do something about it. I'd rather they took a risk and did something to try and close the gap.

Aren't you a teansy bit jealous 1trick? I mean, surely Spurs(a club that often talks about breaking the top 4) should be doing something to improve their infrastructure?

But throwing money at the problem isnt the way. How much was Luque again?
Yeah its not a BAD idea at all, but I reckon investing money into the Academy so you dont lose players like Carrick and other successful Wallsend BC players would be a better idea.

Increasing the size of White Hart Lane wont make a major difference. What will is bringing in a technical youth director from Sporting Lisbon who has experience of running one of the most successful youth teams in Europe, and creating a new coaching role for one of his experienced men to work specifically on player technique. In the short time they've been there Spurs already look like a team who can actually PASS the ball, which is often a commodity on the Premiership.

I reckon Sheppard uses that money to pay himself and Roeder off, and allow a new coach and chairman to take over. With half decent backroom staff you'd be top 6 again EASILY.

The Academy has had alot of investment, it started under Bobby Robson. This is why we've been in the Youth Cup semi's for 2 years in a row and have some good players coming through.

Surely you're not saying Spurs academy is better than ours. And i hope you're not saying we don't focus on technique, Beardsley is one of our coaches FFS!!! He's not likely to be teaching them hoofing.

The fruits of labour under the Jol revolution will indeed take time, so no Im not saying Spurs academy is anything special right now. But its for the future, and I will say without hesitation that Spurs' scouting system is clearly better than Newcastle's - Huddlestone, Lennon, Berbatov, Dawson, Pyo, Zokora etc. all picked up recently and all been successful. Even Jenas was a good purchase when you consider you got the talents of Steven Carr in the other direction. Luque was a total disaster.

I Am Weasel wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

This sounds like a decent plan to me, i've talked in the past about the massive financial gap opening up between us and the top 4 and maybe this will do something about it. I'd rather they took a risk and did something to try and close the gap.

Aren't you a teansy bit jealous 1trick? I mean, surely Spurs(a club that often talks about breaking the top 4) should be doing something to improve their infrastructure?

But throwing money at the problem isnt the way. How much was Luque again?
Yeah its not a BAD idea at all, but I reckon investing money into the Academy so you dont lose players like Carrick and other successful Wallsend BC players would be a better idea.

Increasing the size of White Hart Lane wont make a major difference. What will is bringing in a technical youth director from Sporting Lisbon who has experience of running one of the most successful youth teams in Europe, and creating a new coaching role for one of his experienced men to work specifically on player technique. In the short time they've been there Spurs already look like a team who can actually PASS the ball, which is often a commodity on the Premiership.

I reckon Sheppard uses that money to pay himself and Roeder off, and allow a new coach and chairman to take over. With half decent backroom staff you'd be top 6 again EASILY.

The Academy has had alot of investment, it started under Bobby Robson. This is why we've been in the Youth Cup semi's for 2 years in a row and have some good players coming through.

Surely you're not saying Spurs academy is better than ours. And i hope you're not saying we don't focus on technique, Beardsley is one of our coaches FFS!!! He's not likely to be teaching them hoofing.

The fruits of labour under the Jol revolution will indeed take time, so no Im not saying Spurs academy is anything special right now. But its for the future, and I will say without hesitation that Spurs' scouting system is clearly better than Newcastle's - Huddlestone, Lennon, Berbatov, Dawson, Pyo, Zokora etc. all picked up recently and all been successful. Even Jenas was a good purchase when you consider you got the talents of Steven Carr in the other direction. Luque was a total disaster.

What about Ghaly, Routledge, Reid, Rasiak, Davenport, Davis, Pamarot, Atouba, and Brown??? Spurs have a scattergun technique to buying players. I don't think your youth system and scouting network are things you can show off about tbh.

If Spurs have a scattergun technique then God knows what that makes Newcastle's....

And a lot of the signings you mention were for small fees - generally the players they've spent money on have been good buys

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

I Am Weasel wrote:Newcastle need to start winning games rather then building their stadium. I seriously cannot believe with the players that you have how you are where you are, losing to Man City at home. Who wants to go and watch that?

Newcastle- = the England of the EPL, plenty of individual talent but no fluency as a team.

Roeder and Sheppard should quit, its a disgrace a club of that size is where it is, dont they feel any guilt?

This sounds like a decent plan to me, i've talked in the past about the massive financial gap opening up between us and the top 4 and maybe this will do something about it. I'd rather they took a risk and did something to try and close the gap.

Aren't you a teansy bit jealous 1trick? I mean, surely Spurs(a club that often talks about breaking the top 4) should be doing something to improve their infrastructure?

But throwing money at the problem isnt the way. How much was Luque again?
Yeah its not a BAD idea at all, but I reckon investing money into the Academy so you dont lose players like Carrick and other successful Wallsend BC players would be a better idea.

Increasing the size of White Hart Lane wont make a major difference. What will is bringing in a technical youth director from Sporting Lisbon who has experience of running one of the most successful youth teams in Europe, and creating a new coaching role for one of his experienced men to work specifically on player technique. In the short time they've been there Spurs already look like a team who can actually PASS the ball, which is often a commodity on the Premiership.

I reckon Sheppard uses that money to pay himself and Roeder off, and allow a new coach and chairman to take over. With half decent backroom staff you'd be top 6 again EASILY.

The Academy has had alot of investment, it started under Bobby Robson. This is why we've been in the Youth Cup semi's for 2 years in a row and have some good players coming through.

Surely you're not saying Spurs academy is better than ours. And i hope you're not saying we don't focus on technique, Beardsley is one of our coaches FFS!!! He's not likely to be teaching them hoofing.

The fruits of labour under the Jol revolution will indeed take time, so no Im not saying Spurs academy is anything special right now. But its for the future, and I will say without hesitation that Spurs' scouting system is clearly better than Newcastle's - Huddlestone, Lennon, Berbatov, Dawson, Pyo, Zokora etc. all picked up recently and all been successful. Even Jenas was a good purchase when you consider you got the talents of Steven Carr in the other direction. Luque was a total disaster.

What about Ghaly, Routledge, Reid, Rasiak, Davenport, Davis, Pamarot, Atouba, and Brown??? Spurs have a scattergun technique to buying players. I don't think your youth system and scouting network are things you can show off about tbh.

Ghaly = good squad player.
Routledge = one for the future
Reid = good player but a right fatty, been good since he joined charlton (now injured I believe) and stayed off the pies
Rasiak = squad player, done well at Saints, never going to be 1st teamer
Davenport = ditto
Davis, Parmarot, Atouba and Brown = fair enough, but quickly rid of with good fees.

Of course the scouting network (and the coaching) is something to be proud of, how else do you think Spurs got on the verge of the CL from seemingly nowhere in the space of a season?

If Newcastle had management half as decent as Spurs you'd be in a similar position - Dyer, Parker, Martins, Milner, Emre, Taylor, Given, Solano - there is a backbone there for a team at least in the top 6-7. You telling me you'd be happier seeing Fatty Sheppard investing in the stadium over improving the team (an dby tha I dont mean spending a shedload on foriegn players)? Thats the only point Im trying to make, a big stadium is pointless if the team is underachieving

Yes i am happy to see him investing in the infrastructure over players. Players are only temporary, they come and go. I want to see us build for the future, in 10 years we will be ALOT stringer because of this.

I Am Weasel wrote:Of course the scouting network (and the coaching) is something to be proud of, how else do you think Spurs got on the verge of the CL from seemingly nowhere in the space of a season?

Honestly? I think Spurs were a good side, BUT there was a serious lack of competition, we were shit, Bolton were under par because of the UEFA, Pompey were near the bottom etc. AND, the most important factor, Arsenal were having a shit season.

Pele, internationally Newcastle is a bigger team as well. I never see people wear a Shirt of Spurs,why? Same reason you dont see people here walking with a Charlton shirt...

Newcastle shirt on the other hand....they sell better here then the Playstation 3