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    Post by Rosicky Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:28 pm

    Since 1888 wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    Since 1888 wrote:LB: Zambrotta, Cole, Abidal

    RB: deRoover, Miguel, Sagnol

    In that order.

    lol!

    Have you ever managed to NOT put a Dutchy in any of these lists?

    Egg on the face, none are Dutch.

    lol!

    well done tweedy.
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    Post by Red n' Black Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:07 pm

    I cannot believe some guys have Jankulovski as one of the best. He is great going forward but sucks defensively. We need a new LB, Berlusca... Mr Manuel Pasqual! Twisted Evil
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:14 pm

    In no order...

    Right back:

    Alves
    Sagnol
    Miguel

    closely followed by Maicon, Finnan and Oddo.


    Left back:

    Zambrotta
    Abidal
    Lahm

    closely followed by Grosso, Cole and Bridge
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    Post by Calidad Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:50 pm

    Am I the only one who doesn't rate Alvez? I don't even think he's Brasils best RB.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:26 pm

    Calidad wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't rate Alvez? I don't even think he's Brasils best RB.

    No.

    I don't think he would make it at Barca/Real/Milan/Inter/Juve/Chelsea

    Maicon is better.
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    Post by Kimbo Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:32 pm

    Alves is a winger, all his best qualities are attacking ones. He's wasted at RB.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:48 pm

    Pierre, Kimbo, Calidad, etc

    Alves is by far the best brazilian right back. Maicon is not good enough to lace his boots.
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    Post by Calidad Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:53 pm

    Alvez has yet to play well for Brasil, and more importantly I've yet to see Alvez play well in about 10 games.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:59 pm

    Well, IMO he was the best player of the spanish league (I hate to agree with AS journalists). Offensively he is by far the best right back in the world, he is head and shoulders above anyone.

    Everyone is yet to play well for Brazil since Dunga's arrival, including Kaká and Ronaldinho.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:03 am

    It's hard to find a full back that actually makes a big difference. Someone who is creative, can pass, shoot, cross, etc. Someone who can be really decisive. The majority of the players mentioned here can defend well but that's it, they are limited by their lack of talent.
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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:06 am

    Phil Ball explains Alves role best and the problem other teams might find if they shouls sign him.

    Alvés has re-defined the concept of 'defender', and never before in the history of the game has the whole strategy of a team been based around the attacking prowess of its right full-back.



    That's the problem for the team that bags him. Will they be able to get the same out of him? Will he be given the same freedom? A unique player - not half as anarchic as he looks - who has lit up La Liga again this season.
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:21 am

    sheva7 wrote:It's hard to find a full back that actually makes a big difference. Someone who is creative, can pass, shoot, cross, etc. Someone who can be really decisive. The majority of the players mentioned here can defend well but that's it, they are limited by their lack of talent.

    There are a lot of full backs who could do that if they were so indulged by their coach that they were allowed to go wherever they want without any regard for defensive responsibilities.

    Maicon is a better crosser than Alves IMO - I mean proper Beckham style crosses as opposed to getting to the by line and pulling the ball back across the floor.

    Alves is so indulged by Sevilla that he even takes set pieces despite being one of the worst dead-ball players in the game (meanwhile the best free-kick taker in the world sits on the bench Erm )

    Maicon is also physically a lot stronger - you will see the benefit of this when the winger knocks it past you and you get your body betwen the player and ball and just hold him off.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:46 am

    Pierre Littbarski wrote:
    sheva7 wrote:It's hard to find a full back that actually makes a big difference. Someone who is creative, can pass, shoot, cross, etc. Someone who can be really decisive. The majority of the players mentioned here can defend well but that's it, they are limited by their lack of talent.

    There are a lot of full backs who could do that if they were so indulged by their coach that they were allowed to go wherever they want without any regard for defensive responsibilities.

    Maicon is a better crosser than Alves IMO - I mean proper Beckham style crosses as opposed to getting to the by line and pulling the ball back across the floor.

    Alves is so indulged by Sevilla that he even takes set pieces despite being one of the worst dead-ball players in the game (meanwhile the best free-kick taker in the world sits on the bench Erm )

    Maicon is also physically a lot stronger - you will see the benefit of this when the winger knocks it past you and you get your body betwen the player and ball and just hold him off.

    No, they couldn't. They could be good offensevely, but they would never be as influential as him. There is no other full back who would guide a club like Sevilla to Uefa Cup, Copa del Rey, not to mention the unforgettable race for the title. They wouldn't create several chances per game. BTW Alves is not a bad defender.

    IMO Alves is a better crosser than Maicon. Phisically Maicon is stronger, but Alves is a tireless player and he is not lightweight.
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    Post by robert Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:10 am

    Surprised no one has mentioned Ramos or has he not played enough games at RB this season to be classed?
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:37 pm

    In no particular order,

    LB`s

    Jankulovski
    Abidal
    A.Cole

    RB`s

    Alves
    Maicon
    Miguel

    @ Robert

    S.Ramos hasn't really played that many games as a right back this season mate.
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:05 pm

    LB
    Zambo
    Cole
    Evra

    RB
    Alves
    Miguel
    Neville
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    Post by poiuy1 Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:08 pm

    Whoever put Heinze in the top three must be deluded

    He's not even in the top 5 left backs in the premiership and for me is third choice left back at United behind Evra and Silvestre
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    Post by DD Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:12 pm

    Seeing how many people put Ca$hley in, can someone explain why he's so highly rated?
    Defensively above avarege, offensively grossly overated, a c**t and a beleiver of his ow greatness, and cannot make a decent cross to save his life.

    How is he so highly rated? Honestly. When its perfectly arguable that he isn't even the best lefttback at Chelsea.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:18 pm

    Since im here..

    LB - Andrew Taylor
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    Post by bluenine Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:18 pm

    I rate Hienze very highly, IMO he is among the top 5 LBs in the world.

    poiuy1 wrote:Whoever put Heinze in the top three must be deluded

    He's not even in the top 5 left backs in the premiership and for me is third choice left back at United behind Evra and Silvestre


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    Post by bluenine Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:26 pm

    Nah, at Inter, Silvestre was worse... Gresko was simply poor quality, but Silvestre had a gift for mistakes that would make the Materazzi of old look consistant!

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    bluenine wrote:Nah, thats a spot "fondly" reserved for Silvestre affraid

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    whos number 1 ? Coco ? Razz maybe Wome!

    jesus no, sadly number 1 in that list is Gresko by a mile.
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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:10 pm

    bluenine wrote:I rate Hienze very highly, IMO he is among the top 5 LBs in the world.

    poiuy1 wrote:Whoever put Heinze in the top three must be deluded

    He's not even in the top 5 left backs in the premiership and for me is third choice left back at United behind Evra and Silvestre

    Heinze is awful offensively.
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    Post by DD Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:55 pm

    DD wrote:Seeing how many people put Ca$hley in, can someone explain why he's so highly rated?
    Defensively above avarege, offensively grossly overated, a c**t and a beleiver of his ow greatness, and cannot make a decent cross to save his life.

    How is he so highly rated? Honestly. When its perfectly arguable that he isn't even the best lefttback at Chelsea.
    Bump.
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:53 pm

    Messiah wrote:Phil Ball explains Alves role best and the problem other teams might find if they shouls sign him.

    Alvés has re-defined the concept of 'defender', and never before in the history of the game has the whole strategy of a team been based around the attacking prowess of its right full-back.



    That's the problem for the team that bags him. Will they be able to get the same out of him? Will he be given the same freedom? A unique player - not half as anarchic as he looks - who has lit up La Liga again this season.
    exactly what i have been saying. he is great but he is not a normal fullback. i doubt liverpool will much freedom anyway and will never let him run the football instead of gerrard or xabi. barca is the same since they have so many players that want the ball. at Real i actually think he would be allowed to run things since we play a similar formation to sevilla but more defensive though. so i cant really see him showing the same at another place.
    anyway

    Lb:
    Zambrotta
    Pasqual maybe
    Rb:
    Alves
    miguel
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