Darren Fletcher

Obispo wrote:But Fletcher's actually a regular, at a side where the manager clearly has faith in him. Thus, we get to see him alot.

Pongolle's on borrowed time and rarely used by Benitez (and we had Owen when Houllier was there and he wasn't going to displace him).

The 2 are comparable in the sense that fans of either club would probably ignore both those players if they were at other clubs. They are non-comparable in the amount of chances and support they receive from the management. Hence I did not get your "arguement".

Unless of course, you saying that a player who is likely to have received around about a 100 minutes of premiership football for Liverpool this past season, is average - despite you obviously not having seen too much of him - is comparable to me not rating a player who was a first team regular.

Sgoater1 wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:

Glenn Hysen wrote:@ poiuy1

when you are lying on the ground with blood pissing out of every oriface it is time to stop fighting.

Fletcher would not get into ANY other PL starting line up. Not Middlesborough, not Wigan not even Watford.

He barely makes it into one of the worst ever Scotland sides and is the worst player in the weakest position at Manchester United.

The only reason he is still at Manchester United is because no other Premiership manager is stupid enough to try and sign him.

Cue bid from Portsmouth.

What a load of shit he was the youngest Scotland Captain for 50 years he is their best player by a county mile, have you watched a Scotland game with Fletcher in it to even make a comment?.

TBH i could get in the Scottish side if i was Scottish.

Glenn Hysen wrote:Fletcher is like the PE teacher's spastic nephew who is in the team as a favour and the ambitious ones complain but the left wing pussies say ahhhhh bless.

thats how peopel describe scotland.

they say " i mean cumon, they're best player is fletcher!"

Richardson is better than Fletcher as are 100 PL midfielders I could name for you if you wish.

As for Darren Fletcher being Scotlands best player by a country mile - well God help Scotland if that is the case.

Tweedledum wrote:COTR

Can you give us the lowdown on the Boyd chap.

What are his strengths/weaknesses??

Tweedledum wrote:So is he pacy or quite bulky.

I've never seen him!

Glenn Hysen wrote:@ poiuy1

when you are lying on the ground with blood pissing out of every oriface it is time to stop fighting.

Fletcher would not get into ANY other PL starting line up. Not Middlesborough, not Wigan not even Watford.

He barely makes it into one of the worst ever Scotland sides and is the worst player in the weakest position at Manchester United.

The only reason he is still at Manchester United is because no other Premiership manager is stupid enough to try and sign him.

Cue bid from Portsmouth.

borocooper wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:read the article Miller Richardson O'shea David Jones because of their attitude they apparently don't give a hundred percent and go about actiting like big shots and are not focused etc.

This is one thing that you could never lay at fletcher however poor he is playing sometimes he will always give you 110% and covers the most ground on the pitch. He's not some big shot if you hear him in interviews he is very mature and intellectual

So what you;re saying is, Richardson is not rated by the all knowing all powerful Roy Keane?

Yet you think this lad should be playing for England?

Oh dear.

saintgoingmarching wrote:Last season (albeit Downing was injured)

Downing
Games : 12
Starting Line-up : 11
Substitutions : 1
Goals : 1
Assists: 4

Games : 22
Starting Line-up : 12
Substitutions : 10
Goals : 1
Assists: 1

So, from a similar number of starts they only managed one goal apiece, but Downing's assist record is actually pretty impressive (one every 3 games) whereas Richardson's is nothing. And I believe that assist was in the league cup when he laid on a beautiful cross for Saha.

And that's the problem with Richardson - every so often he scores a belting goal or provides a gorgeous assist that makes you think he could actually be a top player some day. Then he spends his next five games playing alright, not well, not poorly, and you think 'he's only in the team because he's naturally left footed'...

parks lives wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Last season (albeit Downing was injured)

Downing
Games : 12
Starting Line-up : 11
Substitutions : 1
Goals : 1
Assists: 4

Games : 22
Starting Line-up : 12
Substitutions : 10
Goals : 1
Assists: 1

So, from a similar number of starts they only managed one goal apiece, but Downing's assist record is actually pretty impressive (one every 3 games) whereas Richardson's is nothing. And I believe that assist was in the league cup when he laid on a beautiful cross for Saha.

And that's the problem with Richardson - every so often he scores a belting goal or provides a gorgeous assist that makes you think he could actually be a top player some day. Then he spends his next five games playing alright, not well, not poorly, and you think 'he's only in the team because he's naturally left footed'...

Is this all competitions, or just the league?

As Richardson scored 6 in all competitions and Downing only scored one.

borocooper wrote:

parks lives wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Last season (albeit Downing was injured)

Downing
Games : 12
Starting Line-up : 11
Substitutions : 1
Goals : 1
Assists: 4

Games : 22
Starting Line-up : 12
Substitutions : 10
Goals : 1
Assists: 1

So, from a similar number of starts they only managed one goal apiece, but Downing's assist record is actually pretty impressive (one every 3 games) whereas Richardson's is nothing. And I believe that assist was in the league cup when he laid on a beautiful cross for Saha.

And that's the problem with Richardson - every so often he scores a belting goal or provides a gorgeous assist that makes you think he could actually be a top player some day. Then he spends his next five games playing alright, not well, not poorly, and you think 'he's only in the team because he's naturally left footed'...

Is this all competitions, or just the league?

As Richardson scored 6 in all competitions and Downing only scored one.

Thats just the league, and bare in mind Downing was injured for 5 months. Not even near his best.

He's been better than Richardson for 2 years.

parks lives wrote:

borocooper wrote:

parks lives wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Last season (albeit Downing was injured)

Downing
Games : 12
Starting Line-up : 11
Substitutions : 1
Goals : 1
Assists: 4

Games : 22
Starting Line-up : 12
Substitutions : 10
Goals : 1
Assists: 1

So, from a similar number of starts they only managed one goal apiece, but Downing's assist record is actually pretty impressive (one every 3 games) whereas Richardson's is nothing. And I believe that assist was in the league cup when he laid on a beautiful cross for Saha.

And that's the problem with Richardson - every so often he scores a belting goal or provides a gorgeous assist that makes you think he could actually be a top player some day. Then he spends his next five games playing alright, not well, not poorly, and you think 'he's only in the team because he's naturally left footed'...

Is this all competitions, or just the league?

As Richardson scored 6 in all competitions and Downing only scored one.

Thats just the league, and bare in mind Downing was injured for 5 months. Not even near his best.

He's been better than Richardson for 2 years.

They played roughly the same amount of games last year.

I don't see whether he scored them in the league or cup competitions comes into it, seeing as Downing had his fair share of cup games last year.

parks lives wrote:I'm countering your point that Downing has been better for the last two years. 2004/2005, yes no question Downing was the better player (even though Richardson was far from our first team).

Last year I don't think it was the case. Downing's crossing is 10 times better than Richardson's, however I think Richardson has what it takes to be a better all round player and showed that at times last season. He scores alot more goals and is more comfortable at taking a ball past a full back.

As for the assists rate, alot of them come from corners (a fact I know from having Downing in my dream team in 2004/2005). With out getting into a our club is better than your's debate the reason why Richardson wouldn't take corners for us is because we have far better crossers at our club.

borocooper wrote:

Better crossers than Downing though? id very much doubt it.

parks lives wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Better crossers than Downing though? id very much doubt it.

Seriously, next time Man United come to Boro, if Giggs is there watch him take corners or free kicks. Its something you can only see live, rather than on TV.

His crossing is amazing.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:parky giggs crossing from open play has always been the one area he needed to improve, not consistant enough imho

parks lives wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:parky giggs crossing from open play has always been the one area he needed to improve, not consistant enough imho

Thats why I said from corners and set peices.

poiuy1 wrote:The difference in my opinion is that Richardson has the x factor and is more physical

Downing is more consistant and has better end product

Glenn Hysen wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:The difference in my opinion is that Richardson has the x factor and is more physical

Downing is more consistant and has better end product

run that past me again

Richardson has the X-Factor?

WTF?

Glenn Hysen wrote:
Richardson has the X-Factor?