Darren Fletcher

Kimbo wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:

borocooper wrote:He wouldnt even get in our midfield

err....

The smog's right, Boateng and Rochemback are both better.

exactly

Fletcher or Rochemback??? hahaa please

Fletcher or the boat?? dont even get me started hahaha.

Then there's Mendieta on the bench. Fletcher would have no chance.

I'm still shocked that a thread aout Darren Fletcher can get 90 posts.

At the end of the day he's a good back up player and one day he could be a first teamer, the problem is his pace, he has none.

He can improve his upper body strength a bit though

Kimbo wrote:I'm still shocked that a thread aout Darren Fletcher can get 90 posts.

Not enough new posts is why

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Owen Thomas wrote:I tend to go all dizzy when someone says Fletcher is a good player and could get in spurs midfield

LOL

with fletcher as your name, your never going to become a world class player.

similar to the allidyce situatuion

And there's the truth. If he was called Fletchinaldinho and came from some country no one had ever heard of then he'd be the 'south american steven gerrard'...

Never heard such bs in my entire life. He aint rated becuase he's an average player, not becuase he's called Darren Fletcher.

The guy can't pass to save his life! I lost count of the times I saw him pinging a 15 yard ball out of play. Even when he does pass it to another player it's a guy behind him or to his side.

Essien/Makalele/Sissoko or Fletcher. It really is not a difficult choice. At MOST he's second string for Manu and even that is streching his abilities.

owen thomas i dont agree with your views. he has had to many average games, but he has shown he is a good player. man utd quality is of coruse debateable right now no he is not.

But you talk like he is super rubbish he is not, and against germany holland italy arsenal chelsea he has shown that. man of the match in 3 of those games very good in the others.

But he can look very bad at times true, but people take a dislike to him for other reasons i duno what it is.
smith was 10x worse and nobody blast him as much as they do fletcher.

Owen i think first you need to read this thred then you need to actually watch United did you see the Amsterdam tournement when Fletcher controlled the entire midfied pinging 50 yard passes to giggs and park? as well as intercepting play and basically leading the side

Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

borocooper wrote:Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

This is irrevelent, he wanted to play there the fans wanted him there instread of fletcher, but he was 3-4 years older and 10x worse

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

This is irrevelent, he wanted to play there the fans wanted him there instread of fletcher, but he was 3-4 years older and 10x worse

erm, clearly not irrelevent, its massively relevent, as its the main reason he couldnt play well in the position. Obviously he wants to play though, so he'll do whatever.

poiuy1 wrote:Owen i think first you need to read this thred then you need to actually watch United did you see the Amsterdam tournement when Fletcher controlled the entire midfied pinging 50 yard passes to giggs and park? as well as intercepting play and basically leading the side

I did not see the Amsterdam tournamet so I cannot comment on him playing in it. Maybe this will be his year poiuy1. We will see.

We are all entitled to an opinion though.. I just don't like him in our first team becuase I see all these strongmen in our rivals midfield and then see this weakman in ours.

The Liverpool vs Manu FA Cup game last year shocked me, I have never seen our midfield so dominated and it was mostly becuase of Sissoko closing everything down and tackling and running like a demon. I want one of them

owen thomas he was horrific in this match. but consistency will come. nobody was good in that match

borocooper wrote:

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

This is irrevelent, he wanted to play there the fans wanted him there instread of fletcher, but he was 3-4 years older and 10x worse

erm, clearly not irrelevent, its massively relevent, as its the main reason he couldnt play well in the position. Obviously he wants to play though, so he'll do whatever.

It is irrevelent as he was playing there as was fletcher fans preferred smith even tho he was miles worse.

hargreaves is one of them owen.. he would have been the perfect signing for man u.... i for one cannot ever see fletcher being a star and am thankful fergie is persisting with him.. maybe he will come good but i think fergie is only going to give him one more season... if another manager came in fletcher would be straight out of the door.. no doubt about it

l r d wrote:owen thomas he was horrific in this match. but consistency will come. nobody was good in that match

I am not even goint to bother commenting on Senna (I don't watch la liga) but do you think a presence such as him could have helped in that situation?

What difference would a Carrick of made?

poiuy1 wrote:If Fletcher played for any side out side the top 4 he would run their midfield and be their best player

He would run round more than others that would be about it... There is no single defining strength to his game that would give him the power to boss any team in midfield and be there leader.....You would have to score or be able to set up on a continue basis. This is not happening yet

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

This is irrevelent, he wanted to play there the fans wanted him there instread of fletcher, but he was 3-4 years older and 10x worse

erm, clearly not irrelevent, its massively relevent, as its the main reason he couldnt play well in the position. Obviously he wants to play though, so he'll do whatever.

It is irrevelent as he was playing there as was fletcher fans preferred smith even tho he was miles worse.

well thats obviously going to happen....

none of it changes the fact Fletcher isnt a very good player though. He'll end up in the Championship sooner or later.

we needed a power dm for sure. senna isnt as powerful as some names we were linked with, but would never have got bullied like fletcher. heinze also being back will help. carrick is stronger than fletch, but not that strong.
Dont see a game going like that again.
A problem with fletcher is he wasnt an am or a dm or neither, how to use him became difficult.

borocooper wrote:

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

This is irrevelent, he wanted to play there the fans wanted him there instread of fletcher, but he was 3-4 years older and 10x worse

erm, clearly not irrelevent, its massively relevent, as its the main reason he couldnt play well in the position. Obviously he wants to play though, so he'll do whatever.

It is irrevelent as he was playing there as was fletcher fans preferred smith even tho he was miles worse.

well thats obviously going to happen....

none of it changes the fact Fletcher isnt a very good player though. He'll end up in the Championship sooner or later.

boro this is nonsense as usual you start to talk nonsense. he is better than rocemback i tell you. the guy starred vs germany italy and holland. and he isnt a good player whether he will ever make it at man utd is debateable, but not much else is, he is for sure prem class.

l r d wrote:we needed a power dm for sure. senna isnt as powerful as some names we were linked with, but would never have got bullied like fletcher. heinze also being back will help. carrick is stronger than fletch, but not that strong.
Dont see a game going like that again.
A problem with fletcher is he wasnt an am or a dm or neither, how to use him became difficult.

You're right. Sometimes I think he's playing with his side to the goal the way he passes

Owen Thomas wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Emmanuele Elboue wrote:

Owen Thomas wrote:I tend to go all dizzy when someone says Fletcher is a good player and could get in spurs midfield

LOL

with fletcher as your name, your never going to become a world class player.

similar to the allidyce situatuion

And there's the truth. If he was called Fletchinaldinho and came from some country no one had ever heard of then he'd be the 'south american steven gerrard'...

Never heard such bs in my entire life. He aint rated becuase he's an average player, not becuase he's called Darren Fletcher.

Try again. Tell me, why was Beckham the most highly rated of the famous 4 in Man U's midfield circa 96-03? He was the least talented of the bunch, yet the most rated...

The guy can't pass to save his life! I lost count of the times I saw him pinging a 15 yard ball out of play. Even when he does pass it to another player it's a guy behind him or to his side.

Hardly. Fletcher's passing is outstanding for his age - I'd rather have him as my playmaker than Frank 'hoof it' Lampard, who overhits approximately 4 out of every 6 passes, and insists on chipping the ball even when it's only going 12 yards...

Essien/Makalele/Sissoko or Fletcher. It really is not a difficult choice. At MOST he's second string for Manu and even that is streching his abilities.

Essien - hardly a fair comparison as he's currently one of the best central midfielders in Europe (though he didn't show it for Chelsea last season). Makelele - is 12 years older and as such has more experience/time to develop, so a useless comparison. Sissoko - fair comparison. Sissoko has less tactical knowledge but considerably more physical presence. Depending on your tactics, you could argue the case for either of them. Personally (as a supporter primarily of north western clubs including Man U and Liverpool), I'd rather have Sissoko. But that's mainly because he plays one position, one role, no questions asked, you always know what you'll get with him.

Nonetheless, he cost Liverpool 6 million or so (could be wrong about the figure). You'd expect to get a very decent midfielder for 6 million...

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:

l r d wrote:

borocooper wrote:Perhaps because Smith wasnt being played anywhere near his natural position...

This is irrevelent, he wanted to play there the fans wanted him there instread of fletcher, but he was 3-4 years older and 10x worse

erm, clearly not irrelevent, its massively relevent, as its the main reason he couldnt play well in the position. Obviously he wants to play though, so he'll do whatever.

It is irrevelent as he was playing there as was fletcher fans preferred smith even tho he was miles worse.

well thats obviously going to happen....

none of it changes the fact Fletcher isnt a very good player though. He'll end up in the Championship sooner or later.

boro this is nonsense as usual you start to talk nonsense. he is better than rocemback i tell you. the guy starred vs germany italy and holland. and he isnt a good player whether he will ever make it at man utd is debateable, but not much else is, he is for sure prem class.

haha, better than Rochemback?? not even close son.

He isnt even as good as Cattermole and he'll only get better.

l r d wrote:we needed a power dm for sure. senna isnt as powerful as some names we were linked with, but would never have got bullied like fletcher. heinze also being back will help. carrick is stronger than fletch, but not that strong.
Dont see a game going like that again.
A problem with fletcher is he wasnt an am or a dm or neither, how to use him became difficult.

Bingo. He's neither one nor the other, but doesn't have the physical presence to be a box-to-box midfielder.

Still, he can spot a pass and pick a pass, and he's almost never caught in a bad position. Sure, most of you would rather have Reo-Coker or Steven Davis (I'm thinking comparable British midfielders around the age of 21) and of course you'd rather have Essien, but put another way - would you rather have Fletcher for free and for 30 grand a week, or Essien for 26 million and 80 grand a week?

Owen Thomas wrote:

l r d wrote:we needed a power dm for sure. senna isnt as powerful as some names we were linked with, but would never have got bullied like fletcher. heinze also being back will help. carrick is stronger than fletch, but not that strong.
Dont see a game going like that again.
A problem with fletcher is he wasnt an am or a dm or neither, how to use him became difficult.

You're right. Sometimes I think he's playing with his side to the goal the way he passes

You seriously know nothing do you one of fletcher's best asstes is his long range passing ability

It's a total myth that he only passes sideways please watch the amsterdam tournement for reference.

Fletcher was playing as a DM for scholes anyway so a lot of his passes were to him to create why Fletch stayed back and covered. Note this is not his natural game. Makalele does this too (5 yard passes) but you have just stated how you think he is class all he does is tackle and is part of the Chelsea Unit

saint, I take your point about fame influencing people's perceptions of talent but the fact remains that your comparison does not work in the majority of cases.

The theory that a player is not viewed as a great player becuase he is not famous can be applied to every player in the world and in most cases they are not viewed as good players becuase they aren't.

poiuy1 wrote:

Owen Thomas wrote:

l r d wrote:we needed a power dm for sure. senna isnt as powerful as some names we were linked with, but would never have got bullied like fletcher. heinze also being back will help. carrick is stronger than fletch, but not that strong.
Dont see a game going like that again.
A problem with fletcher is he wasnt an am or a dm or neither, how to use him became difficult.

You're right. Sometimes I think he's playing with his side to the goal the way he passes

You seriously know nothing do you one of fletcher's best asstes is his long range passing ability

It's a total myth that he only passes sideways please watch the amsterdam tournement for reference.

Fletcher was playing as a DM for scholes anyway so a lot of his passes were to him to create why Fletch stayed back and covered. Note this is not his natural game. Makalele does this too (5 yard passes) but you have just stated how you think he is class all he does is tackle and is part of the Chelsea Unit

I'm sorry that I do not agree with you poiuy1, it is obviously getting you upset.

I will not believe that someone is a good passer with a great long pass until I see it for myself - and every time I have seen him play his passing is awful.

Makalele may not have an excellent array of passes, but the vast majority of them are quick and accurate. He is also a much better tackler and reads the game much better, giving him some easy interceptions.

Owen Thomas wrote:saint, I take your point about fame influencing people's perceptions of talent but the fact remains that your comparison does not work in the majority of cases.

The theory that a player is not viewed as a great player becuase he is not famous can be applied to every player in the world and in most cases they are not viewed as good players becuase they aren't.

But we're not talking about most players, we're talking about a man who captained his national side at 21, outplayed supposedly world class mature players in an FA cup final and so on...

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Owen Thomas wrote:saint, I take your point about fame influencing people's perceptions of talent but the fact remains that your comparison does not work in the majority of cases.

The theory that a player is not viewed as a great player becuase he is not famous can be applied to every player in the world and in most cases they are not viewed as good players becuase they aren't.

But we're not talking about most players, we're talking about a man who captained his national side at 21, outplayed supposedly world class mature players in an FA cup final and so on...

A few good matches against Arsenal is not proof that a player is up to the task of playing regulary for the first team. Every dog has his day and most players have good games now and again.

As for his captaincy for his national team... could it not be true that you are arguing against you own case? Could it be his fame (and the image of the team he plays for) that got him there?

Owen Thomas wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Owen Thomas wrote:saint, I take your point about fame influencing people's perceptions of talent but the fact remains that your comparison does not work in the majority of cases.

The theory that a player is not viewed as a great player becuase he is not famous can be applied to every player in the world and in most cases they are not viewed as good players becuase they aren't.

But we're not talking about most players, we're talking about a man who captained his national side at 21, outplayed supposedly world class mature players in an FA cup final and so on...

A few good matches against Arsenal is not proof that a player is up to the task of playing regulary for the first team. Every dog has his day and most players have good games now and again.

Most players do not regularly turn in their best performances against the top opposition. Fletcher does.

As for his captaincy for his national team... could it not be true that you are arguing against you own case? Could it be his fame (and the image of the team he plays for) that got him there?

No. Fletcher has been Scotland's most talented player for two years...

Owen Thomas wrote:

poiuy1 wrote:

Owen Thomas wrote:

l r d wrote:we needed a power dm for sure. senna isnt as powerful as some names we were linked with, but would never have got bullied like fletcher. heinze also being back will help. carrick is stronger than fletch, but not that strong.
Dont see a game going like that again.
A problem with fletcher is he wasnt an am or a dm or neither, how to use him became difficult.

You're right. Sometimes I think he's playing with his side to the goal the way he passes

You seriously know nothing do you one of fletcher's best asstes is his long range passing ability

It's a total myth that he only passes sideways please watch the amsterdam tournement for reference.

Fletcher was playing as a DM for scholes anyway so a lot of his passes were to him to create why Fletch stayed back and covered. Note this is not his natural game. Makalele does this too (5 yard passes) but you have just stated how you think he is class all he does is tackle and is part of the Chelsea Unit

I'm sorry that I do not agree with you poiuy1, it is obviously getting you upset.

I will not believe that someone is a good passer with a great long pass until I see it for myself - and every time I have seen him play his passing is awful.

Makalele may not have an excellent array of passes, but the vast majority of them are quick and accurate. He is also a much better tackler and reads the game much better, giving him some easy interceptions.

I'm not getting upset about it at all you clearly don't watch enough of him or United to make a comment if that's your opinion. Please watch the Amsterdam tournement and the south Africa tour where he got a few assists.

Fletchers best performances to my knowledge have been so far.....

Arsenal at highbury last season and the season before

FA cup final V Arsenal

Chelsea last season

Italy and Germany for Scotland

Ajax this pre season

These are all big teams with in some cases world class players, it's proof that he can step up his game it shows to me what he can become