Bremen vs Bayern

this weekend



the much anticipated return of the Lost Son

Miro, aka the MONSTER

Werder Bremen will say an official "Farewell" to Klose

by giving him a bunch of flowers



before, presumably, their fans start to whistle every time he touches the ball



http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/news-meldung/news_1575136.html

entarteter Otto wrote:
by giving him a bunch of flowers

A kick in the ass would be more appropriate.

agreed, klose is a judas of the highest order.

chrissicross wrote:

entarteter Otto wrote:
by giving him a bunch of flowers

A kick in the ass would be more appropriate.

chrissi and blut, you know that the entire world will be watching this weekend

I hope you Werder fans will PULL YOURSELVES TOGETHER

Miro is a living legend from Greenland over Montevideo and the Eastern Islands to Skodaland

in 06-07 he scored 13 and created 15 assists in the Bundesliga, apparently, making him solely responsible for Werder's horror season



in 05-06 he scored 25 goals in 26 games and got 14 assists, becoming the best player in the world that season



in 04-05 he scored 15 and got 10 assists, despite being unable to hit the ball properly with the inside of his right foot for half a season and despite having to adjust to a completely different way of playing ( compared with Kaiserslautern)

Miro is quite possibly the GREATEST WERDER PLAYER in the club's history (over a three year period)

he cost less than 6 million Euro



and when he returns to the theater of his HEROICS, Bremen fans will whistle and boo him because he wanted to move on and win a piece of Silverware for once

@Werder Fans

pull yourselves together

the rest of the world has no time for German self-loathing

the rest of the world wants to celebrate German heroes

How many of those goals and assists were in the second half of last season otto, when Klose decided to play $h!t for us on purpose to lower his price for the Lederhosen?

Thought so.

No matter how hard you try, you can't get rid of that smell. It stinks otto, and everybody can smell it.

blut

you are treating arguably the best player Bremen have ever had like a lump of Cloppenburger horse manure

a player , who under normal circumstances would not even contemplate playing for a club like Werder but rather head to Barca, Real or Milan straight away

one of the ALL-TIME-NATIONALMANNSCHAFT-HEROES

and you are not giving the boy ANY CREDIT for what he has done in three years at Werder

you know what , blut

Miro stands for the "W" in WUNDERBAR

for the "E" in outragEously gifted

for the "R" in RIESENTALENT

for the "D" in "mon DIEU"

for the "E" in "der EINZIGARTIGE"

for the "R" in "da RAPPELT es im Tor"

@blut, chrissi

do you realise that it's no longer possible to even think of Bremen, of Werder, WITHOUT thinking of Klose

SHOW some gratitude , you traitors

and cheer as loud as you can when he puts number 3 past Wiese

Klose the greatest Bremen player.

He might easily be the greatest traitor though.

otto really takes the biscuit sometimes always.

Before Klose can even dream of being on par with the likes of Völler, he has a loooooooooooooooooooooong way to go. Unfortunately for him, he was a late starter, and has not that much time left.

entarteter Otto wrote:

a player , who under normal circumstances would not even contemplate playing for a club like Werder but rather head to Barca, Real or Milan straight away

Haha, nobody wanted him after his time in Kaiserslautern. Hoeness thought he wouldn´t be good enough for Bayern, they did not even want to pay the lousy 5m back then, which was really nothing for Bayern.

Only Bremen believed in him. Klaus Allofs und Thomas Schaaf convinced the Bremen board to spend 5m for him, which was an unbelievable high sum for Werder Bremen back then.

The truth is, Werder Bremen made him the player he is today. Without us he probably would be nothing today.

otto never cares about truth.

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth."

chrissicross wrote:

The truth is, Werder Bremen made him the player he is today. Without us he probably would be nothing today.

he was a German INTERNATIONAL

BEFORE

he joined Werder

he had scored 11 goals in his first 13 Nationalmannschaft games

BEFORE

he joined Werder

he was on the shopping list of Dortmund, Bayern , JUVE

BEFORE

he joined Werder



he then stagnated at the biggest CHAOS CLUB in Germany where EVERYBODY stagnated

so what if Hoeness did not want to buy him

Hoeness knows NOTHING about football and BUYING players

he missed out on VDV , on Diego .....

and bought dos Santos, Karimi.... without giving them a chance

after selling Trochowski, Hamann....

buying Klose was the no-brainer of the Fischkopf century


and you Schollenesser think you made or discovered Klose

he would be NOTHING without YOU TRAITORS

Otto, lassen wir mal die richtigen Werderaner beiseite.

Blut and chrissi, stop rising to the bait.

Otto, I want you to explain to ME as straightforwardly as you can how you can honestly justify Klose's behaviour in the second half of last season.

To ME, as someone who is almost as much a fan of him as you are and who of course remains one in a Mannschaft context – and indeed for Bayern in the Champions League, I mean UEFA Cup; dammit, I have his Salto from the WM last year as my wallpaper on my desktop, reasonably brave in an English office context I think.

The issue being, not that he wanted to leave, which is understandable and was always in prospect; but that after having explicitly said that he would only leave for five (unnamed other clubs) ABROAD if at all, he proceeded to lie his way through first saying he would stay and fulfil his contract (when it seemed no foreign clubs were interested), then, at a crucial moment of the season for Bremen, meeting the Bayern manager and trainer in secret, and probably illegally, and arranging a deal to move to them. To Werder's biggest and most hated rivals, weakening Werder and strengthening Bayern, and WITHIN Germany. And that he delivered a series of performances so shocking the team would have been better off with one less player on the pitch, to make sure his position at the club was untenable. A decision, one might add, completely impossible to justify in footballing terms, as it meant playing for the UEFA Cup rather than the Champions League, and did NOT give him the opportunity to test himself abroad; but that only makes sense in terms of MONEY.

You see Otto, it's not just about WHAT you do, but the way you go about it. Compare Frings's directness when he was thinking about going to Juve, or even Thierry with us (though even there, there are plenty of issues people might have).

In explaining this, I would like you NOT to appeal to the rumours surrounding him in Bremen as aspects that drove him away (that he claimed was the "schmierigste Sache [seiner] Karriere", although, or rather because, this complicates the issue and deserves proper discussion, from everyone, which I don't think it's had on this forum.

You said at the time of Ballack's departure for the chavs that the move made him a mercenary impossible to take seriously at club level any more; it seems to me that in terms of the player's own behaviour, the same could be said here.

As a postscript, I would just quote this – whatever people might say about Titi, his grand words versus his actions, and all the rest of it, and you can draw your own conclusions. Ich stelle es nur zur Diskussion, sozusagen.

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Finally, your last Arsenal.com question as a Arsenal player, do you have a message for the fans?

“Well, I would to say you have been tremendous for me I really do appreciate it. I am shaking as I say this. I will always remember you. I will have you in my head and my heart. I wanted to reassure you that I always gave 100 per cent here. I know some people said some other stuff but I always gave 100 per cent. I hope you appreciate what I did here because I appreciate what you did for me. I grew as a man and became a better football player. I will always take that with me no matter what happens.
 
“Arsenal will be in my blood as well as my heart. I will always, always, always remember you guys. I said I was going to be a Gunner for life and I did not lie because when you are a Gunner you will always be a Gunner. The Club is in my heart and will remain in my heart forever.”

entarteter Otto wrote:
he was on the shopping list of Dortmund, Bayern , JUVE

BEFORE

he joined Werder

The truth is, only Bremen was willing to pay 5m for him back then. Where would he have ended without us?

The whole German public was astounded about Klose´s development in Bremen, on and off the pitch.

entarteter Otto wrote:
he then stagnated at the biggest CHAOS CLUB in Germany where EVERYBODY stagnated

Ha, almost every Bremen player considerably improved at Werder Bremen. Apart from that Bremen is at least the second best run club in Germany. Just shows how ignorant you seem to be.

Allez les rouges wrote:

The issue being, not that he wanted to leave, which is understandable and was always in prospect; but that after having explicitly said that he would only leave for five (unnamed other clubs) ABROAD if at all, he proceeded to lie his way through first saying he would stay and fulfil his contract (when it seemed no foreign clubs were interested), then, at a crucial moment of the season for Bremen, meeting the Bayern manager and trainer in secret, and probably illegally, and arranging a deal to move to them. To Werder's biggest and most hated rivals, weakening Werder and strengthening Bayern, and WITHIN Germany. And that he delivered a series of performances so shocking the team would have been better off with one less player on the pitch, to make sure his position at the club was untenable. A decision, one might add, completely impossible to justify in footballing terms, as it meant playing for the UEFA Cup rather than the Champions League, and did NOT give him the opportunity to test himself abroad; but that only makes sense in terms of MONEY.

bla bla bla, bla bla, bla, bla bla bla, bla

would that be spiffing good summary, allez

that even a Tolliol boy's brain is laying down its arms in the face of a Werder fan propaganda assault shames the cobbles of Oxon

it's one thing to aspire to dream, another to become a dreaming Leier

in your case, of the Victorian sort

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here it comes in a nutshell

a) Klose is the top scorerpoint player of the last Bundesliga season

he does not have to defend himself AT ALL

Werder fans MUST be grateful and worship at his shrine

b) Klose had made it 100% clear that he was going to leave Bremen at the end of the last season, as early as after the WC

the intended destination was ABROAD + a Top 5 club

agreed

BUT

c ) that does not change the fact he was ALWAYS going to leave; at NO POINT did he even hint that it was SERIOUSLY LIKELY he would stay

I have read all the interviews; it's just not true

d) when his STUPID agent could not find a serious offer from abroad, Klose HAD to find another club in GERMANY, that would constitute a STEP UP: the only one being BAYERN

ENDLESS other German players have done this in the past: Kahn, Basler, Effe, Lothar, Klinsi, Jeremies.... (often coming from arch-enemies)

the simple truth is, if you want to play for the best in Germany, you have to go to Bayern, usually from a club whose supporters HATE Bayern

that's all there is to it

e) why did Klose start playing worse in the second half

NOBODY KNOWS; but

almost certainly not as a form of " Arbeitsverweigerung"



this would be 100% against Miro's nature

rather, I suspect, the reason is that Diego was SHITE as an assister (too slow, verschleppt den Ball) and Miro was seriously getting pissed off about the lack of support from the fans, Schaaf and the media who hero-worshipped Diego

frankly, at that stage I would have packed my bags and taken a half-gap-year

the truth is

I will NEVER forgive Werder fans, Schaaf and the media for their outrageous treatment of the MONSTEr

wuetende Geschichte, wenn eine Geschichte wuetend sein koennte

chrissicross wrote:

entarteter Otto wrote:
he then stagnated at the biggest CHAOS CLUB in Germany where EVERYBODY stagnated

Ha, almost every Bremen player considerably improved at Werder Bremen. Apart from that Bremen is at least the second best run club in Germany. Just shows how ignorant you seem to be.

I am talking about Kaiserlautern, of course

that's where he stagnated

post WC-2002

First of all, screw you Otto for presuming to bring what you think you know about my academic background into this as some sort of pisstake, and a patronising one at that.

You haven't bothered to answer any of my questions at face value and continue to operate in your bizarre little ranting parallel universe, so there's little point in my trying to humour you. I'm beginning to see why the likes of Axe got so pissed off with your approach, particularly when you spice up your clever little posts with little personal gibes.

No one is disputing that Klose was one of the outstanding performers on the league who had the right to move on to something "bigger and better", if you must put it in that smug, nasty way (even if your agendas prevent you from accepting various foreign clubs as belonging in that category, and even if Bayern, who were actually inferior by far last season, to the extent that they have dropped out of the "Königsklasse", are only in any sense "bigger and better" because they've now bought themselves up a whole new #$%&* team, for Christ's sake). None of this alters the way he went about (engineering) his move, which is indeed a question of character, which his given Werder fans every right to feel sorely disappointed, angered and betrayed by a man who they thought was epitomized by the fact that he would refuse a penalty when he knew he hadn't been fouled. You cannot, surely, be so one-eyed as to ignore the shitty way he went about this business.

What a red herring to bring up the other legends who've played for both clubs. There's a REASON the likes of Blut have only nice things to say about, say, Supermario, whereas the story of Miro will sadly always leave a nasty taste in the mouth for them.

entarteter Otto wrote:
I am talking about Kaiserlautern, of course

that's where he stagnated

post WC-2002

Oh, okay, my mistake then. Sorry, Otto.

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Klose´s time in Bremen was a quantum jump in his development, so I think it fully justified to say we made him the player he is today.

Apart from that it was everything but a no brainer to sign him. Nobody wanted him back then, even at Werder Bremen it took Schaaf and Allofs a huge effort to convince the people that Klose would be worth the money. And then in his first months in Bremen, when nothing worked for him, who backed him then, who gave him the trust? Allofs and Schaaf. Where would Klose have ended without Werder Bremen? A few more years at Kaiserslautern, and then?

Nur der HSV

Fey wrote:Nur der HSV

"Wir singen Hamburg, Hamburg, 2. Liga, oh wie ist es schön, euch dort unten zu sehen!"

"2. Liga, Hamburg ist dabei, 2. Liga, Hamburg ist dabei!"

"Scheiss HSV, Scheisse Scheisse HSV, Scheisse Scheisse HSV, Scheisse Scheisse HSV!"

entarteter Otto wrote:

a) Klose is the top scorerpoint player of the last Bundesliga season

he does not have to defend himself AT ALL

Werder fans MUST be grateful and worship at his shrine

Better Klose should have been more grateful to Werder Bremen

entarteter Otto wrote:b) Klose had made it 100% clear that he was going to leave Bremen at the end of the last season, as early as after the WC

the intended destination was ABROAD + a Top 5 club

agreed

BUT

c ) that does not change the fact he was ALWAYS going to leave; at NO POINT did he even hint that it was SERIOUSLY LIKELY he would stay

I have read all the interviews; it's just not true

He always said how happy he is in Bremen, and that he might stay. Maybe, he never really meaned it, but then he lied once more.

entarteter Otto wrote:d) when his STUPID agent could not find a serious offer from abroad, Klose HAD to find another club in GERMANY, that would constitute a STEP UP: the only one being BAYERN

ENDLESS other German players have done this in the past: Kahn, Basler, Effe, Lothar, Klinsi, Jeremies.... (often coming from arch-enemies)

the simple truth is, if you want to play for the best in Germany, you have to go to Bayern, usually from a club whose supporters HATE Bayern

that's all there is to it

It is not about moving to a "better" club in the first place, it is not even about him joining Bayern, it is about his disgraceful behaviour.

entarteter Otto wrote:
rather, I suspect, the reason is that Diego was SHITE as an assister (too slow, verschleppt den Ball) and Miro was seriously getting pissed off about the lack of support from the fans, Schaaf and the media who hero-worshipped Diego

And I suspect the fact he played so shitty was a direct consequence of all the troubles he and his idiotic agent caused. It never had anything to do with Diego.

entarteter Otto wrote:the truth is

I will NEVER forgive Werder fans, Schaaf and the media for their outrageous treatment of the MONSTEr

The truth is, until his disgraceful secret meeting with Bayern less than 48 hours before one of the most important matches in Werder Bremen´s history, which he ruined for us afterwards, Klose still had the support of the great majority of the Bremen fans, despite his behaviour during the last half year. Thomas Schaaf even backed him until the end.

"Der Fan lässt sich nicht gängeln"

Werder Bremens Stadionsprecher Arnd Zeigler über den Wechsel von Miroslav Klose zu Bayern München und die Möglichkeit, am Mikrofon mäßigend auf den Werder-Anhang einzuwirken.

Miroslav Klose wird am Samstag im Weserstadion von der Werder-Geschäftsführung offiziell verabschiedet. Trotzdem werden Missfallensbekundungen kaum ausbleiben. Wie verhält sich der Stadionsprecher?

Es ist Blödsinn, als Stadionsprecher vorher prophylaktisch einzugreifen und die Fans zu beschwichtigen. So etwas sorgt erst recht für eine Anti-Stimmung. Wir reagieren auf das was kommt. Der Fan lässt sich nicht gängeln. Aber es kann eine Situation geben, wo ich einschreite und an die Vernunft der Anhänger appelliere. Wenn die Grenzen des guten Geschmacks überschritten werden; wenn grob diffamiert wird; wenn zu Gewalt aufgefordert wird. Dann greife ich ein.

Hat es extra einen Krisengipfel gegeben?

Nein, eine ganz normale Besprechung vor der Saison. Mit Mediendirektor Tino Polster, Marketingdirektor Oliver Rau, dem Stadion-DJ Marcus Mbiwe, den Stadionsprechern Christian Stoll und mir. Wir sind uns einig, dass die Emotionen hochschlagen werden, aber alles im Rahmen bleiben soll.

Was geschieht bis zum Spiel?

Ich habe das Gefühl, dass die Bayern alle zwei Tage Öl ins Feuer gießen. Wenn die das nicht dauernd thematisieren würden - beim Ligapokal, jetzt erst wieder unter der Woche - dann wäre die Sache nicht so aufgewühlt worden. Aus Bremen kommt doch nichts. Aber ich fürchte und glaube, dass viele Werder-Fans nur darauf warten, ihrem Unmut Luft zu machen.

Warum hat Klose mit Anfeindungen zu rechnen?

Meine persönlich Meinung ist, dass er selbst nach dem Geheimtreffen mit den Bayern-Bossen in Hannover genügend Gelegenheiten gehabt hätte, eleganter aus der Nummer rauszukommen. So wie es etwa Valérien Ismael vor zwei Jahren geschafft hat, der immer noch mal gerne in Bremen ist. Klose hat im Mai ja eine Pressekonferenz gegeben und betont, er erfülle seinen Vertrag, dann hat er sofort danach geklagt, er müsse bleiben. Das war alles unwürdig. Die Fans spüren, dass bei ihm reiner Pragmatismus entschieden hat, Werder nie eine Herzensentscheidung war. Und plötzlich tritt er in München chemisch gereinigt auf.

Da sind die Werder-Fans sauer?

Ja. Außerdem ist es unehrlich, monatelang von einem Wechsel ins Ausland zu reden und zu behaupten, nicht innerhalb Deutschlands wechseln zu wollen. Das hat er mir noch in einem Interview für das Werder-Jahrbuch Ende vergangenen Jahres gesagt, dabei hat er von ManU, Chelsea, Barcelona oder Real Madrid gesprochen. Nur von europäischen Topvereinen. Nun aber habe ich ihn im Bayern-TV sagen hören, er habe sich frühzeitig gegen das Ausland entschieden. So etwas sorgt für große Irritationen.

Also ist der Wechsel eigentlich nicht nachzuvollziehen?

Es sind ja schon andere Spieler zu den Bayern gegangen. Meines Wissens ist es das erste Mal, dass Bayern dabei in der Tabelle hinter Werder stand. Miro hätte statt Uefa-Cup wahrscheinlich in der Champions League spielen können. Und so ganz schlecht wird bei Werder ja auch nicht verdient.

(Frankfurter Rundschau)

dreadful interview with Arnd above

in particular the last two answers




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meanwhile

a) van Bommel will act as Klose's bodyguard on the pitch

b) Ribery wants Klose to silence those Werder fans and SCORE

c) Klose could score his 100th Bundesliga TOR vs evil Werder

d) Mertesacker wants Werder fans to CHEER them on, NOT BOOO Klose

e ) Klose sent Merte a "Good Luck SMS" before the CL qualifier ( wow, what a traitor ; Bayern fans are now furious and gutted )

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1578082.html

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usually I want Bremen to win

Fish-head-Loyalty

but tomorrow

Werder

MUST LOSE

and

MUST LOSE BAD

If there is any justice, it's Bayern who has to lose, and lose bad. How deluded you must be to see it otherwise.

Don't worry Blut, Otto's quasi-fascistic tactic of merely shouting his propaganda ever louder and refusing to respond to the fact-based accusations of dishonesty and purely financial motivation (as in, going to a UEFA Cup club from a CL one) indicate that he is well beyond any rational argument on this one. Presumably why he doesn't like the truth in Zeigler's last two answers above.

It might be more interesting to discuss the rumours about Klose while he was in Bremen, based on truth or not, and what kind of motivation they might have been for his departure, but it seems no one wants to join in that discussion...

@chrissi

I am not saying that Klose did not make mistakes

of course he did

meeting Bayern 48 hours before a crucial game does not help

agreed

but we ALL make mistakes

yes, even Klose , even you, my fine chrissi, even me and even allez

apparently, allez now wants to screw me (if I understood him correctly) and you, my good chrissi, will not be suprised to hear that I consider this to be a mistake of Klose-like proportions

it's true that in these fragile times, we should make love and not war, and it's true that I really like the scene with Michael York, Liza Minelli and the German aristo dancing as a "confused trio" in Cabaret, but that does not mean I applied as an extra on Brokeback Mountain

so, allez, let me take a rain-check, even if you want to throw Axel in for good measure to spice up the cocktail

@ my dear French-Scottish-America-phile-wannabe-German

Du bist ja wie vom Hafer gestochen

a French girl once told me that she REALLY loved the German language

"be more specific, my tender Gallic butterfly" I said

which led her to look into the sky, her eyes glazing over and asking , in German , but with this French sing-song-tone

" Waaruuuum "

a question, I now feel was really directed at you, allez

Otto, you forget that IMO reasonable Bremen fans would even have had accepted and understood a move to Bayern but the way the whole transfer went and Klose's role in the saga just makes it impossible to respect him anymore. There are players were you might expect such behavior but Klose – before that – never belonged to that group of players, at least not in the eyes of the great majority of football (not only Bremen) fans in Germany and that such a bloke acts like a complete fool and destroys to be one of Bremen all time great players, makes it even worse.

I suggest you look up "screw you" in the dictionary Otto.

What was it children said to someone the other day – "You are unspeakably irritating" –

If you don't want to respond to my arguments head-on, or even at all, then fine, but don't resort to ad hominem and making up $h!t you think you know about me (what in the name of arse is "Tolliol" anyway??) in the guise of jokes. It merely betrays your inability to argue a point rationally when you are well aware you can't substantiate your rants. Poor show.

Jut, ich empfehle mich jetzt. Good day to you.

Well done Häschen, but we are flogging a dead horse and battering our head against a brick wall here.

Nah, we should not give up, there's always hope! Selbst, wenn der Otto es uns diesmal nicht leicht macht…

@allez

Du vergreifst Dich komplett im Ton

wG

I suppose we are all allowed the odd diva-like-hissy-fit

why would I insult your educational background

call me a snob, but that's what I like about you

in addition to your inability to pronounce your Rs in French, your weakness for Schnapps and the way your upper-lip snaps when you get angry upon hearing "house prices in Berlin are on the up"

be that as it may

you have misunderstood me 100% and rather than seeking clarification picked up your axe and slammed it on my head

true, true

in the middle-ages you might have been ennobled for that

today, brute force or indeed blutgreatschen are no longer "angesagt" ; ask Merte

as a peace-offer I will write a German poem that I feel reflects the Klose situation quite well

will post it in a second