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    Post by Parks lives Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:15 pm

    The Premiership Weekend Winners And Losers


    Winners

    Mark Clattenberg
    Capped a faultless display at White Hart Lane by booking the odious Pascal Chimbonda for urging him to yellow card an opponent.

    It was a piece of refereeing that will not be surpassed this season. The shame is that Match of the Day failed to encourage its repeat by opting instead to highlight Manuel Almunia and Tom Huddlestone's petty chest-butting.


    The Big Four
    The Premiership's return felt faintly surreal on Saturday, a sudden, jarring jolt with the final international post-mortems yet to be concluded. Inevitably, the tight schedule prompted a plethora of managers to launch various complaints about the prohibitive international fixture list. Their grievances were valid. With most players not reporting back for domestic duty until Thursday, and many others only on Friday, preparation time was at a premium.

    "I had 10 players go away after the Arsenal game two weeks ago. I didn't see some of them again until Friday morning," complained Harry Redknapp before losing any sympathy by switching to Turkey-farmers-voting-for-Christmas mode.

    "I just wish they could play internationals on the first Wednesday, then on the Saturday and then come back to their clubs for the Monday," he argued. "That would suit club managers, but it probably wouldn't suit the international managers better." No indeed.

    A reasonable compromise would be for the second batch of international matches to be played on the Tuesday. An ample three days would still exist between international matches and post-international preparation would be increased by as much as 50%.

    The ludicrous timing of the kick-off at Pompey - 12.30pm on Saturday - trivilised what was a crucial encounter for Liverpool. "If we can beat them then people might talk about Liverpool being a contender this year, and maybe I'd agree with them," predicted Rafa Benitez. In the event, the Spaniard felt compelled to take the risk of resting his best two players.

    With Arsenal and ManYoo also kicking off in the early afternoon at Tottenham and Everton respectively, and Chelski's date with Blackburn shunted to 5.15pm, the weekend as a whole felt trivialised. Strange to say of anything in the Premiership but it was under-billed as the Big Four took on the four teams that many observers would nominate as the best of the rest.

    In the event, the behmoths emerged unscathed, but the gruelling nature of the action was instructive nonetheless. While the Big Four continue to reside in a league of their own, the middleweights finally seem willing to put up a decent fight.


    Blackburn Rovers
    For a self-described small team (and one with a self-denied persecution complex), Blackburn have a remarkable tendency to receive preferential treatment in matches against the Big Four.


    Arsenal
    Top of the league for the first time in almost three years.


    ManYoo
    The new Arsenal? Many more of these - and this was ManYoo's third successive 1-0 victory - and ManYoo will be insulted as the old Arsenal. George Graham and Steve Bould would particularly have appreciated the latest two winning goals being near-post headers.

    The surprise at Goodison Park was that Louis Saha, who scored the winner against Sunderland, did not start. Given that he was able to complete 45 minutes two weeks ago, his exclusion was presumably the choice of Sir Alex rather than an enforced restriction. The ManYoo's manager reluctance to deploy two strikers - Ryan Giggs played off Carlos Tevez before Saha's 63rd-minute introduction - must be a salient factor in the champions' goal-shy start this season.


    Pepe Reina
    Understandably considered to be the best penalty-saver in the world, Saturday's block followed on from the two he saved in the Champions League shoot-out against Chelski in May, another in the FA Cup final of 2006, and the seven he made from nine attempts during his last season at Villarreal.

    There are no statistics to support the theory, but there's good reason to suspect that the ratio of penalties being converted has plummeted. One reason must be that while the goals have stayed the same size, the average size of goalkeepers has shot up to beyond 6 foot. That they are also more inclined to move off their line, thus reducing the angle, is probable. "Give me any example of a penalty from today's game and I'll show you that the goalkeeper cheated," complained Bob Wilson in May when he considered Reina's astonishing record.

    Television gets blamed for everything these days so why not add penalty saves to the crime sheet as well. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that familiarity with an opponent's modus operandi is now a vital advantage for keepers - recall, for example, Jens Lehmann keeping notes in his sock during last summer's World Cup

    Against Kanu, Reina's dive appeared determined by observation rather than anticipation. If there was any anticipation, it was that Kanu would side-foot his spot-kick. "I just didn't fancy him to score trying to place it like that," grumbled his manager.

    And therein is perhaps the message to the league's penalty-takers.

    The best of recent years was Alan Shearer, a renowned blaster. And the best this year was Robin Van Persie's against Fulham, belted into the top corner. When he went for precision over power two weeks later, Citeh's Kasper Schmeichel jumped off his line and made a comfortable save.

    With the odds increasingly narrow, the spot-kickers may be best advised applying a bit of old fashioned brute power again.


    Kenwyne Jones
    Note to self: beware first impressions. Although, judging by his miss from five yards, he probably couldn't hit a literal barn door, never mind the metaphorical version.


    Lee Bowyer
    London buses etc. Having failed to score in over a year, Bowyer's goal against Middlesbrough was his second in as many home games. Just a shame that his reaction of choice is to act like an extra from 28 Days Later. It's not as if he is eye candy at the best of times.


    Sebastian Larsson
    A decent addition to any Fantasy Football team, a hefty percentage of Birmingham's goals this season are bound to be assisted by his right foot.


    Losers

    Martin Jol
    The Tottenham boss is tottering on the brink and his job will surely be offered again to Juande Ramos if results do not improve before the next international break. It is a bleak ultimatum - Spurs must travel to Liverpool on October 7 immediately before the domestic interruption.

    Ramos, in one of those strange quirks of football, is in north London this week - pitching his Sevilla side into combat against Arsenal. More than anything, it is Jol's failure to beat Arsenal during his reign, either in a one-off match or the league table, that has made his position so precarious.

    The Dutchman is a likeable chap but the board's scepticism about whether he is top-four material is understandable. The best that can be said of Jol is that he is a good manager. The worst is that he is no better than that.

    His tactical acumen (or lack of) is a frequent topic of unflattering conversation in north London and he drew more censure this weekend. Arsene Wenger must have been relieved that Jol did not seek to expose the vulnerability of Gilberto Silva at centre-half by unleashing the pace of either Jermain Defoe or Darren Bent as an alternative to Robbie Keane or as a third forward. Bent's cameo will be remembered for his awful miss. Yet the way he sped past a flagging Silva was telling. Jol, as so often, had missed a trick.

    On Friday he interrupted one question about Arsenal's injury crisis by announcing he was "not interested" in the subject. Later, he declared: "We've had three or four big players out this season and if Arsenal would have had players out like Van Persie, Gallas or Toure, then they would have had a problem."

    It is unfeasible that Jol was genuinely unaware that Arsenal's captain would be unavailable for a fourth week, and that Gilberto would be his jet-lagged replacement, but it certainly looked and sounded that way. Ramos, by contrast, is famed for his cunning.

    Nor was Jol's claim that he doesn't feel under pressure convincing.

    "I can only listen to what Daniel Levy is telling me," he assured reporters. "As long as we play good football and have the results, there's no problem."

    By that criteria, Jol's problem is insurmountable.


    Emile Heskey
    The tenth different England player to break a bone in his foot since David Beckham added 'metatarsal' to the football dictionary in April 2002.


    Everton
    They must dread hosting ManYoo. Saturday's defeat was their 13th in 16 Premiership matches at Goodison against Sir Alex's crew.


    Jose Mourinho
    So much for the promises.

    Back in July, Mourinho made a heartening pledge for the new season: "I want better results and to be more entertaining."

    As is so often the case with Mourinho, reality has argued against him. The soporific 0-0 draw with Blackburn consigned Chelski to their worst start to a season since 2002 and prompted fresh claims that Roman Abramovich is exasperated that so much money has brought so little fun.

    The charge has been made before, but the difference is that Chelski were winning then. A dubious offside decision was the difference on Saturday, yet such an expensive outfit should not be reliant on the unflagging competence of a linesman. Other than Kalou's 'goal', Chelski created very little, with Andriy Shevchenko in his three Ws mode - watching, waiting, wasting. Last chance? Last game then.

    Much has been made of Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard's absence, but the player Chelski were crying out for against Rovers was in Madrid. Shaun-Wright Phillips and, for the moment at least, Florent Malouda are inferior alternatives to Arjen Robben. Deprived of the Dutchman's incision, Joe Cole was the only outlet of creativity.

    Perhaps the real point of Mourinho's attack on Peter Kirkup, the hapless linesman, was to distract attention from the banality of Chelski's play. If so, it largely worked. But the telling exception was sitting in the stands with a bored expression on his face throughout. Abramovich is nobody's fool - least of all Jose's.


    The Man At Sky Who Decided To Cover Pompey-Liverpool
    The tedium on the south coast was in total contrast to the four-goal thriller at White Hart Lane. Nor was it a fluke - the four north London derbies last season produced 15 goals.


    West Ham's Summer Signings
    England suffer the curse of the metatarsal, West Ham the curse of Alan Curbishley's summer signings. With Scott Parker, Julien Faubert and Kieron Dyer crocked, and Freddie Ljungberg on the bench after a hamstring injury, Craig Bellamy was the only new recruit on the pitch against Middlesbrough before succumbing to a groin strain after 33 minutes.


    Sammy Lee
    Hespeakssoquicklythatitisannoyinglyawkwardtotellwhereonewordendsandanotherbegins.


    Keith Hackett
    A hostage to his excuse-making ever since revealing he phoned Rafa Benitez to apologise after Rob Styles' blunder in August, poor Keith is gonna get more miserable, self-pitying phone calls than the Samaritans this year.

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    Post by Parks lives Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:17 pm

    Parks lives wrote:

    The Man At Sky Who Decided To Cover Pompey-Liverpool
    The tedium on the south coast was in total contrast to the four-goal thriller at White Hart Lane. Nor was it a fluke - the four north London derbies last season produced 15 goals.



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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:26 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:

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    The tedium on the south coast was in total contrast to the four-goal thriller at White Hart Lane. Nor was it a fluke - the four north London derbies last season produced 15 goals.



    <Ale>

    Have said it on a number of occasions already, but it was a ridiculous decision not to show the North London derby.

    Also, why was the Man Utd game on so early? Before the game I thought it would be on tv, but it wasn't shown on Sky or Setanta, so I can't understand why the players were made to play early for what seemed like no reason.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:27 pm

    Sheffield gunner wrote: Also, why was the Man Utd game on so early? Before the game I thought it would be on tv, but it wasn't shown on Sky or Setanta, so I can't understand why the players were made to play early for what seemed like no reason.

    I couldn't work that out either. Although as Man U didn't have far to travel I'm not sure if it would have had that much impact on the game.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:42 pm

    man utd must have been same reason as arsenal, the old bill saying so
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    Post by shazlx Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:28 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:
    Sheffield gunner wrote: Also, why was the Man Utd game on so early? Before the game I thought it would be on tv, but it wasn't shown on Sky or Setanta, so I can't understand why the players were made to play early for what seemed like no reason.

    I couldn't work that out either. Although as Man U didn't have far to travel I'm not sure if it would have had that much impact on the game.
    Maybe its for the international TV coverage?
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:52 pm

    Parks lives wrote:The Premiership Weekend Winners And Losers
    Arsenal
    Top of the league for the first time in almost three years.

    It won't last.

    ManYoo
    The new Arsenal? Many more of these - and this was ManYoo's third successive 1-0 victory - and ManYoo will be insulted as the old Arsenal. George Graham and Steve Bould would particularly have appreciated the latest two winning goals being near-post headers.

    It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.

    I suppose it only goes to show what playing excellent football last season does - makes idiotic journalists forget all the games where you didn't play excellent football and expect every game this season to be a flurry of movement and goals.

    The surprise at Goodison Park was that Louis Saha, who scored the winner against Sunderland, did not start. Given that he was able to complete 45 minutes two weeks ago, his exclusion was presumably the choice of Sir Alex rather than an enforced restriction.

    And with the first European game of the season and a game against last year's main title rivals next week, who can blame him for not risking an injury prone striker against a hard-tackling team?

    The ManYoo's manager reluctance to deploy two strikers - Ryan Giggs played off Carlos Tevez before Saha's 63rd-minute introduction - must be a salient factor in the champions' goal-shy start this season.

    I wouldn't have thought it was reluctance. Rooney and Saha were injured and then Solksjaer retired, because he was injured. That's like labelling Arsene Wenger 'reluctant' for not playing Gallas against Tottenham on Saturday.

    Kenwyne Jones
    Note to self: beware first impressions. Although, judging by his miss from five yards, he probably couldn't hit a literal barn door, never mind the metaphorical version.

    It is just me, or does this comment make no sense at all?

    The Man At Sky Who Decided To Cover Pompey-Liverpool
    The tedium on the south coast was in total contrast to the four-goal thriller at White Hart Lane. Nor was it a fluke - the four north London derbies last season produced 15 goals.

    Exactly.


    Sammy Lee
    Hespeakssoquicklythatitisannoyinglyawkwardtotellwhereonewordendsandanotherbegins.

    The only manager in the league likely to be sacked before Martin Jol.

    Keith Hackett
    A hostage to his excuse-making ever since revealing he phoned Rafa Benitez to apologise after Rob Styles' blunder in August, poor Keith is gonna get more miserable, self-pitying phone calls than the Samaritans this year.

    It depends - if this is the start of some sort of dialogue between fans and referees then it's fine. But if it's a one-off then it will go down as one of the biggest PR blunders in history.
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    Post by debaser Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:02 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

    ManYoo
    The new Arsenal? Many more of these - and this was ManYoo's third successive 1-0 victory - and ManYoo will be insulted as the old Arsenal. George Graham and Steve Bould would particularly have appreciated the latest two winning goals being near-post headers.

    It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.

    I suppose it only goes to show what playing excellent football last season does - makes idiotic journalists forget all the games where you didn't play excellent football and expect every game this season to be a flurry of movement and goals.
    say what? people have constantly complained about chelsea being boring for the last few years. whenever they get praise it tends to only be for their 'character' in fighting for victories.

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    Kenwyne Jones
    Note to self: beware first impressions. Although, judging by his miss from five yards, he probably couldn't hit a literal barn door, never mind the metaphorical version.

    It is just me, or does this comment make no sense at all?
    right there with you.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:03 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.


    To be fair, most jounalists did mock Chelsea. They've just got bored of it now, after all, its been over three years of spending ridiculous amounts of money then managing to play some of the most boring, sleep injucing foorball I've ever witnessed.

    Bravo Chelsea Ale
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:05 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.


    To be fair, most jounalists did mock Chelsea. They've just got bored of it now, after all, its been over three years of spending ridiculous amounts of money then managing to play some of the most boring, sleep injucing foorball I've ever witnessed.

    Bravo Chelsea Ale

    yeah a strange comment from saints there

    journalists are obviously going to talk about united's 'poor football' anyway. they lavished praise on them last season when they were playing well so they are now just commenting on the boring games of this season. once / if united start playing well again the praise will return
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:10 pm

    debaser wrote:
    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:

    ManYoo
    The new Arsenal? Many more of these - and this was ManYoo's third successive 1-0 victory - and ManYoo will be insulted as the old Arsenal. George Graham and Steve Bould would particularly have appreciated the latest two winning goals being near-post headers.

    It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.

    I suppose it only goes to show what playing excellent football last season does - makes idiotic journalists forget all the games where you didn't play excellent football and expect every game this season to be a flurry of movement and goals.
    say what? people have constantly complained about chelsea being boring for the last few years. whenever they get praise it tends to only be for their 'character' in fighting for victories.

    Alan Hansen wrote:Chelsea come and take a look at you and then beat you. Manchester United just come out and try to beat you.

    Implicit in Hansen's soundbiting is a praise of their tactical ability - having more patience than Man U. Which they do. Now, Chelsea do get criticised for being dull, but not that often. They get praised for their consistency and mentality quite often. And Mourinho is always praised as some sort of tactical mastermind, with Fergie being portrayed as a man who shouts a lot.

    Now, these portrayals are, from what I see on the pitch, largely accurate.

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    Note to self: beware first impressions. Although, judging by his miss from five yards, he probably couldn't hit a literal barn door, never mind the metaphorical version.

    It is just me, or does this comment make no sense at all?
    right there with you.

    Scored a better goal than Adebayor's...
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:14 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.


    To be fair, most jounalists did mock Chelsea. They've just got bored of it now, after all, its been over three years of spending ridiculous amounts of money then managing to play some of the most boring, sleep injucing foorball I've ever witnessed.

    Bravo Chelsea Ale
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    You've ever witnessed, sure. I've ever witnessed, sure. But I honestly haven't seen that much in the press about it.

    Cotter wrote:yeah a strange comment from saints there

    journalists are obviously going to talk about united's 'poor football' anyway. they lavished praise on them last season when they were playing well so they are now just commenting on the boring games of this season. once / if united start playing well again the praise will return

    Of course it will. It's all about brand maintenance. But I do find it funny that the press were so willing to gloss over the fact that Man U played like this for sections of last season as well. Same with any recently successful team I suppose - ignore the failings when the going is good, jump on them as soon as the team isn't performing as well. It's by no means particular to Man U.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:15 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:Scored a better goal than Adebayor's...

    Nah.
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:18 pm

    Cotter wrote:yeah a strange comment from saints there

    journalists are obviously going to talk about united's 'poor football' anyway. they lavished praise on them last season when they were playing well so they are now just commenting on the boring games of this season. once / if united start playing well again the praise will return

    Of course it will. It's all about brand maintenance. But I do find it funny that the press were so willing to gloss over the fact that Man U played like this for sections of last season as well. Same with any recently successful team I suppose - ignore the failings when the going is good, jump on them as soon as the team isn't performing as well. It's by no means particular to Man U.

    it's more to do with the sustained period of average football united have produced this season. sure last season they had to grind out a few results in a row mixed in with some great football but as of yet we have not really seen any signs that they will reach the peaks of last year. the injuries of course are one of the main contributors to this but changing a winning team with several new additions also has no guarantee of actually improving the side.

    only time will tell
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    Post by Luis Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:22 pm

    Agree with the 'Guy at Sky' one, Sky seem to be fucking up big time in the games they show, I couldn't believe United-Everton or Spurs-Arsenal weren't on, these are two big games, especially the London derby, and they still haven't sorted out the La liga coverage properly (though it's probably not all Sky's fault that)
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:26 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:Scored a better goal than Adebayor's...

    Nah.


    Yeah.
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:28 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:
    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:Scored a better goal than Adebayor's...

    Nah.


    Yeah.

    ill add a second nah
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:28 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Cotter wrote:yeah a strange comment from saints there

    journalists are obviously going to talk about united's 'poor football' anyway. they lavished praise on them last season when they were playing well so they are now just commenting on the boring games of this season. once / if united start playing well again the praise will return

    Of course it will. It's all about brand maintenance. But I do find it funny that the press were so willing to gloss over the fact that Man U played like this for sections of last season as well. Same with any recently successful team I suppose - ignore the failings when the going is good, jump on them as soon as the team isn't performing as well. It's by no means particular to Man U.

    it's more to do with the sustained period of average football united have produced this season. sure last season they had to grind out a few results in a row mixed in with some great football but as of yet we have not really seen any signs that they will reach the peaks of last year. the injuries of course are one of the main contributors to this but changing a winning team with several new additions also has no guarantee of actually improving the side.

    only time will tell

    Of course, they might have fucked up by buying more attacking midfielders that they arguably didn't need without securing a proper backup/alternative to Saha, etc. etc. and they may find this season doesn't turn out as they like. But you're talking of a 'sustained period of average football' when in two games so far this season Man U have played pretty well, and we're only 6 games in. A sustained period to me suggests a couple of months at the very least, preferably with a couple of European games as well.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:34 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:
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    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:Scored a better goal than Adebayor's...

    Nah.


    Yeah.

    ill* add a second nah

    *I'll

    add a second yeah
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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:41 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:
    Kenwyne Jones
    Note to self: beware first impressions. Although, judging by his miss from five yards, he probably couldn't hit a literal barn door, never mind the metaphorical version.

    It is just me, or does this comment make no sense at all?

    *Is it

    In that case here is the third nah Wink
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    Post by debaser Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:42 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:
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    Cotter wrote:yeah a strange comment from saints there

    journalists are obviously going to talk about united's 'poor football' anyway. they lavished praise on them last season when they were playing well so they are now just commenting on the boring games of this season. once / if united start playing well again the praise will return

    Of course it will. It's all about brand maintenance. But I do find it funny that the press were so willing to gloss over the fact that Man U played like this for sections of last season as well. Same with any recently successful team I suppose - ignore the failings when the going is good, jump on them as soon as the team isn't performing as well. It's by no means particular to Man U.

    it's more to do with the sustained period of average football united have produced this season. sure last season they had to grind out a few results in a row mixed in with some great football but as of yet we have not really seen any signs that they will reach the peaks of last year. the injuries of course are one of the main contributors to this but changing a winning team with several new additions also has no guarantee of actually improving the side.

    only time will tell

    Of course, they might have fucked up by buying more attacking midfielders that they arguably didn't need without securing a proper backup/alternative to Saha, etc. etc. and they may find this season doesn't turn out as they like. But you're talking of a 'sustained period of average football' when in two games so far this season Man U have played pretty well, and we're only 6 games in. A sustained period to me suggests a couple of months at the very least, preferably with a couple of European games as well.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:42 pm

    Got used to the fact there's no middle ground when it comes to the Media.

    Either we are shite or we are amazing.

    Considering how we haven't been at the races so to speak and we've missed Rooney, Ronaldo and Saha I'm pretty happy that we're only a few points off. If we beat Chelsea on Sunday I can see us going on a long run of wins, plus our form will be much better in a few weeks once every one is back and gelling together.

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    Post by COTR Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:48 pm

    Got used to the fact there's no middle ground when it comes to the Media.

    Either we are shite or we are amazing.

    they are not saying you are shite... just very boring Biggrin Wink

    Considering how we haven't been at the races so to speak and we've missed Rooney, Ronaldo and Saha I'm pretty happy that we're only a few points off. If we beat Chelsea on Sunday I can see us going on a long run of wins, plus our form will be much better in a few weeks once every one is back and gelling together.

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    You won't be going on long runs playing as you have been. Something will have to improve because you simply won't get lucky enough to keep winning this way. I do fancy you to beat chelsea though because they really are horrible at the minute. Two good performances this week and the optimism will rightly return and yourself, rez, lrd and co can return to your normal unbearable selves Wink
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:53 pm

    Well if we do beat Chelsea, we have Brum and Wigan after that, which I think we could win.

    Be 7 wins in a row which is a fairly long run.

    Have Boro and Arsenal after that which will be much tougher.

    As for lucky to win, we've still been the better team in our last 2 games. It's not that dramatic.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:55 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:
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    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:Scored a better goal than Adebayor's...

    Nah.


    Yeah.

    ill* add a second nah

    *I'll

    add a second yeah

    The shot was perhaps better but the touch of Adebayor was >>>> Jones'
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:58 pm

    Actually no! What am I saying! the shot wasn't even as good. Adebayor's was on the volley.
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    Post by Rez Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:31 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Got used to the fact there's no middle ground when it comes to the Media.

    Either we are shite or we are amazing.

    they are not saying you are shite... just very boring Biggrin Wink

    Considering how we haven't been at the races so to speak and we've missed Rooney, Ronaldo and Saha I'm pretty happy that we're only a few points off. If we beat Chelsea on Sunday I can see us going on a long run of wins, plus our form will be much better in a few weeks once every one is back and gelling together.

    Beware. Very Happy

    You won't be going on long runs playing as you have been. Something will have to improve because you simply won't get lucky enough to keep winning this way. I do fancy you to beat chelsea though because they really are horrible at the minute. Two good performances this week and the optimism will rightly return and yourself, rez, lrd and co can return to your normal unbearable selves Wink

    Well we played good football like we did last season in our first 3 games and we only got 1 point; scoring 1 goal and conceeding 2. We then played badly for the next 3 games and got 9 points; scoring 3 goals and conceeding none. So the recent evidence suggests that if we continue to play this way we will carry on winning, but if we start playing well, we will start dropping points.

    PS I dont think the Chelsea game is as straight forward as you suggest. They always play very well against us and make it difficult for us to play. However with Rooney and Ronaldo in the team; you're right to back us to beat anybody Biggrin
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    Post by S4P Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:25 pm

    Ayman Zawahiri wrote:
    It's amusing that Chelsea can 1-0 their way through entire seasons without anyone saying much but when Man U do it through three games at a time when they simply need to get points on the board they are mocked, even by a column that ostensibly sucks their arse most weeks.

    Strange. If you've read many tabloid articles or watched the Jimmy Hill programme on Sunday you'd have seen a lot of criticism about our football and 'grinding out results' despite having incredible resources.

    I've said it before about my team, so I should say the same thing about Man Utd: Winning every single game 1-0 will win you the title.
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    Post by S4P Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:33 pm

    Rez wrote:
    PS I dont think the Chelsea game is as straight forward as you suggest. They always play very well against us and make it difficult for us to play. However with Rooney and Ronaldo in the team; you're right to back us to beat anybody Biggrin

    The same Rooney and Ronaldo who's combined total number of goals against us is less than Darren Fletcher? Wink Ale
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:45 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    The shot was perhaps better but the touch of Adebayor was >>>> Jones'

    Hardly, Jones' touch was deliberate. Adebayor accidentally flicked the ball up and then readjusted to volley it.

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