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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:28 pm

    The Premiership Weekend Winners And Losers




    Neither ManYoo nor Chelski put on much of a show in the Showdown, but at least the Premiership has a genuine title fight to behold...

    Winners

    Chelski
    The resilience of the champions is remarkable to behold. Undaunted by a raucous Old Trafford, Chelski's comeback was a salient reminder that their awesome physical power is still matched by their mental strength in adversity. The stuff of champions indeed.

    Nonetheless, Jose Mourinho must be concerned that second-half domination scarcely yielded a tangible threat. The two superstars were, once again, sluggish and defeat was only avoided by the abandonment of Mourinho's preferred formation.

    Against a fellow heavyweight, rather than Premiership ordinariness, brute strength isn't sufficient and both refinement and width are required. The introduction of Arjen Robben was a tacit acknowledgment that a wingless midfield is severely limited.

    The half-time rejig turned the match, but Sir Alex arguably missed a trick of his own by failing to switch Wayne Rooney to the left in order to curb the rampaging Michael Essien.


    ManYoo
    It's tempting to put ManYoo in the losers' section because they squandered a clear opportunity to take a six-point lead over a side that essentially failed to create a clear-cut goalscoring opportunity.

    Sir Alex accepted that a draw was a better result for Chelski than ManYoo but only on the basis that "we were the better team". Far from it. The visitors held 58% of possession and recorded twice as many shots on target.

    A draw was a fair outcome simply because neither side created enough chances to deserve victory. Even Louis Saha's terrific strike was the only memorable moment in an otherwise messy half-hour.

    The solace for Sir Alex is that, with a third of the season elapsed, his side remain league leaders and genuine contenders in a two-horse race. Lest we forget, just twelve months ago Sir Alex was enveloped by the worse crisis of his Old Trafford reign in fifteen years.

    And yet. Ricardo Carvalho's brave header fashioned a three-point swing - something that Sir Alex will undoubtedly mourn in the pivotal winter months. Jose's barb that "it is a good result because Manchester United lost a big, big chance to open the gap to six points" will sting because it is irrefutable.

    Moreover, the disappointment at an opportunity missed will be tinged by a foreboding that the season will be determined by an uneven battle between ManYoo's ageing team and Chelski's mammoth squad. There can only be one winner when, as on Sunday, Chelski can introduce Joe Cole, Arjen Robben and Paulo Ferreira, whereas ManYoo cannot fill their substitutes' bench with an attacker and have turn to the dismal talents of Darren Fletcher and John O'Shea instead.


    Michael Essien
    Presumably the only sensible explanation for why Michael Carrick was named Man of the Match by Sky Sports over the indefatigable Essien is that the ManYoo midfielder speaks English fluently and the award happened to be chaired by Steve McClaren.


    Howard Webb
    We ask our referees to be consistent and, in fairness to Mr Webb, he favoured ManYoo in all of the 50/50 decisions.


    Steven Gerrard
    Hey presto, back in the centre and scoring his first league goal of the season.

    The stats state that Gerrard netted the vast majority of his goals in 2005/06 from the right of midfield but logic dictates that he is a more potent player, and a more likely goalscorer, when he is picked in his preferred position.


    Eggert Magnusson
    Let's hope first appearances are deceptive. An ostentatious celebration and the manipulation of a West Ham scarf-wearing toddler was the behaviour of a cynical politician rather than a benevolent chairman.


    Big Earners
    News of Wayne Rooney's bumper £35m six-year-deal is bound to prompt renewed complaints from the Jumper For Goalposts brigade about the state of the game but what of Terence Brown? In becoming the former chairman of West Ham United last week, Brown reaped approximately £34m and a snazzy new title of non-executive director.

    An understanding of the stock exchange will provide a direct explanation for why Brown has acquired his windfall but not a justification. The publicity-shy businessman was subject to a longstanding 'Brown out' campaign by disgruntled fans, although critics must tread warily after he successfully sued a supporters' pressure group for alledging finanical incompetence. It's unknown whether the funds garnered directly from Hammers fans in the out-of-court settlement was then donated to the club or not.

    By any rational assessment, Rooney's weekly wage of £100,000 is offensive. But at least he produces and entertains. What tangible dividend did Brown produce for West Ham before he sold his shares? After almost ten years of complaints that he failed to put in what his club received from transfer sales, Brown still remains on the board despite, until recently, blocking the Magnusson takeover in favour of courting Kia Joorabchian.

    Not that it matters a jot, it seems, to the West Ham faithful. Their heads turned by the promise of instant windfall, the dismal morality of their takeover tale has been shamefully ignored.


    Bolton Wanderers
    What they do they do very well. Nicolas Anelka took the headlines for his two-goal salvo against his former employers but the best player on the pitch was El-Hadji Diouf. One of the many reasons he is such a loathsome character is because beneath the loathsome façade is a very decent player.


    Bolton's Twelfth Defender
    Arsenal have hit the woodwork at the Reebok Stadium six times in the past eleven months.


    Dimitar Berbatov
    Given that the accepted period of acclimatisation to the Premiership is six months, the impressive Bulgarian is way ahead of schedule. Martin Jol rotates his front two as frequently as Rafa Benitez, but it is inconceivable that Berbatov will not figure in next weekend's North London derby.


    Andy Reid
    However, a professional footballer really shouldn't possess such a vast distance between his hips.


    Newcastle United
    The Toon's first win in ten games and their best performance of the season. Even Titus Bramble played well.

    Yes, you read that right.


    Losers

    Andriy Shevchenko
    Shevchenko's display at Old Trafford was worse than abysmal. One snap-shot sailed fully twenty yards over the bench. In general play, he was heavy-legged and repeatedly out-muscled. Mourinho hauled the Ukrainian off after 75 minutes and must surely be considering omitting the £30m misfit altogether in order to provide his side with the necessary cohesion and cutting edge.


    Arsenal and Arsene Wenger
    Arsenal were the better side at the Reebok and yet, as Arsene Wenger effectively admitted, they still didn't deserve victory. The apparent contradiction has been the running theme of the Gunners' misfiring season.

    For the umpteenth occasion since August, profligacy and soft defending ensured that their superior play went to waste. "I am sad for my team because they gave a lot and played well," said Wenger. "But overall we did not control well the decisive moments in the game, particularly on the first goal. You cannot come to Bolton and give them freedom of movement on corners."

    It was a fair reflection, but, as manager, Wenger should also take a measure of responsibility for the lack of defensive nous from set-pieces which included the remarkable sight of Cesc Fabregas stationed at the near post.

    Wenger's claim that "offensively we were good," is also questionable given the number of missed chances that, as usual, went begging. Wenger's sympathetic toleration of such profligacy does not inspire confidence that his charges will soon find their shooting boots. A Fergusonesque tirade is surely in order.


    Aston Villa
    A draw is becoming a costly habit for Villa. Saturday's stalemate with Middlesbrough was their eighth of the season. Despite losing just one match, only a single point separates Aston Villa from Reading who have been defeated on six occasions but drawn just once.


    Fulham and Ian Pearce
    It is easy to be gracious in victory but Steve Coppell's grievance at the last man rule is justified. The law was introduced to punish cynical attempts to deny a clear goalscoring opportunity. It becomes unjust when a misjudged tackle in the penalty box earns the triple whammy of a penalty, a dismissal and a suspension.

    The balance of justice sways too far in the opposite direction if, far from being denied a goalscoring opportunity, the opposition are awarded a match-winning opening instead.
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    Post by L r d Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:33 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:
    Steven Gerrard
    Hey presto, back in the centre and scoring his first league goal of the season.

    The stats state that Gerrard netted the vast majority of his goals in 2005/06 from the right of midfield but logic dictates that he is a more potent player, and a more likely goalscorer, when he is picked in his preferred position.

    Nothing to do with his inability to play on the right or the fact that it's inaffective. More to do with the fact that he sulks like a frenchman under occupation when he plays on the right.
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:36 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:an uneven battle between ManYoo's ageing team and Chelski's mammoth squad. There can only be one winner when, as on Sunday, Chelski can introduce Joe Cole, Arjen Robben and Paulo Ferreira, whereas ManYoo cannot fill their substitutes' bench with an attacker and have turn to the dismal talents of Darren Fletcher and John O'Shea instead.
    Ageing side. scratch

    I know Scholes, Giggs and Neville are on the wrong side of thirty but they are still putting in very good performances. It can be an advantage for the team to have those experienced heads in.

    I know van der Sar is aged as well, but he is a keeper and most of them hit peak at that age.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:39 pm

    We've never been 365's favourite side, it must be said.
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:40 pm

    I never look on 365 to be honest.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:43 pm

    They've always hated Fergie, gave us no chance this season and were one of the worst sites about Ronaldo after the World cup.

    Been generous so far, but I think its probably because performances have made them have to.
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    Post by DS Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:44 pm

    So the referee was on our side ,how did I missed that.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:45 pm

    They clearly have it in for the Rhinoceros Fishman too.

    Was Essien clearly the best player on Sunday? None of the Chelsea fans I've spoken to seem to think so.

    365= bias nobs.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:47 pm

    Essien was great in the second half (mainly because Giggs had to drop inside due to us being over run in the middle) however the first half, he hardly touched the ball.
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    Post by Deano Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:50 pm

    Laugh@Sheva....

    He shouldve stayed at Milan
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:00 pm

    The referee failed to send off Ballack for deliberate handball and a forearm. He failed to send off Drogba for another forearm. He failed to book any of the Chelsea players who headbutted Man Yoo players when going for headers.

    Hardly gave Man Yoo all the 50/50 decisions, though Scholes was a bit lucky to stay on the pitch too...
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:03 pm

    That was bullshit, quite Frankly.

    Essien's & Gerrard's performances vastly over-rated. The only thing they got spot on was Newcastle's improvement, and Andy Reid - who has all the ability football wise but not the physical/athletic quality to be a great EPL player.

    Oh, and Bramble has been good for the last month or so. Was excellent at the Emirates.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:10 pm

    Andy Reid was brilliant in the Charlton vs Everton game.

    TS, you think thats his best position, in behind the striker rather than on the wing.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:16 pm

    Malcolm Christie should be in the winners section.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:16 pm

    borocooper wrote:Malcolm Christie should be in the winners section.

    ok
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:23 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:Andy Reid was brilliant in the Charlton vs Everton game.

    TS, you think thats his best position, in behind the striker rather than on the wing.
    Yes - He's a good wing player at the lower levels, because he's got two good feet, and can go inside or out. But with better full backs, he's definetly best in the hole at a lower mid-table side... He's very good technically, has vision, and has a thumping shot of either side.

    A budget version of Chris Waddle.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:41 pm

    Parks Lives wrote: Andriy Shevchenko
    Shevchenko's display at Old Trafford was worse than abysmal. One snap-shot sailed fully twenty yards over the bench.

    ?? Not just 20 yards over the bar, but over the dugout at the halfway line?

    Don't remember that shot but it's worse than hitting the corner flag. I look forward to seeing it in a compilation of hoof-ups at some point.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:33 pm

    Fabregas should definitely be in the losers section.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:34 pm

    For trying to mark Nolan at the corner? Very Happy
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:37 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:Fabregas should definitely be in the losers section.
    Why exactly?
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:39 pm

    Well, for simultaneously failing to mark Nolan properly, despite having both arms around him, and blocking off his own goalie. I can't think of a less effective player in Arsenal's team, except maybe Theo Walcott, at defending set pieces. Fabregas should either be posted on the edge of the area to try to pick up the second ball and play it out to the forward/s or he should be the one delegated to close down the ball if a short corner is taken.
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:45 pm

    I agree he was at fault for that goal. But overall him and Walcott were our best players on Saturday that piece of marking on Faye was his only real mistake on Saturday.

    It is football 365, there is no logic to it, its all rubbish.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:46 pm

    Of course, Fabregas is a very good young player, but he shouldn't even be in that part of the box on corners.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:51 pm

    But just who's idea was it to have probably Arsenal's slightest player, mark one of the biggest players not just in Bolton's team but in the league!

    Wenger's? Lehman's? Fabregas'?!?!?
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:54 pm

    The buck stops with the manager. Arsenal have been dodgy from set pieces for ages, and the departures of Campbell and Vieira haven't helped. They can't expect Toure and Gallas to mark everyone.
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:59 pm

    I was discussing this with a friend yesterday.

    A good amount of out team players are on the small side, Cesc, Walcott, Ljungberg, Clichy, Eboue even Flamini. I am not making excuses here but Bolton are a very big team. Davies, Diouf, Haim, Pedersen and others are all 6.0' plus. Kolo, Gilberto and Senderos are basically our tall guys on Saturday, we were disadvantaged from that point of view so in the end a smaller guy would be forced to mark a larger player.

    If anyone is to blame it is Kolo, he let his marker go and that proved costly.
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:07 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:The buck stops with the manager. Arsenal have been dodgy from set pieces for ages, and the departures of Campbell and Vieira haven't helped. They can't expect Toure and Gallas to mark everyone.
    It does in all instances, as the manager is responcible at the club.

    Campbell and Vieira were very good for us as they had brilliant defensive elements. However Wenger got it right on both occasions by letting them go.

    It may be a concentration problem rather than a height problem, you can't have a side of 6.0' players. The goals we conceded to Villa and Everton were down to a lack of composure and concentration when the ball bobbled across the area after a corner was taken.

    Toure and Gallas cannot mark everyone. But look at Barcelona they have Gio, Messi, Xavi, Eto'o, Iniesta in there first team, Puyol, Marquez and Edmilson still do the defensive work for them and the conbination works as they are the Spanish champions as well as European Champions
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:10 pm

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    saintgoingmarching wrote:The buck stops with the manager. Arsenal have been dodgy from set pieces for ages, and the departures of Campbell and Vieira haven't helped. They can't expect Toure and Gallas to mark everyone.
    It does in all instances, as the manager is responcible at the club.

    Campbell and Vieira were very good for us as they had brilliant defensive elements. However Wenger got it right on both occasions by letting them go.

    Sure, it probably was right in both instances but my point is that Wenger has clearly never taken set piece organisation seriously, and this will continue to plague Arsenal unless they sort it out.

    It may be a concentration problem rather than a height problem, you can't have a side of 6.0' players.

    Bolton do.

    The goals we conceded to Villa and Everton were down to a lack of composure and concentration when the ball bobbled across the area after a corner was taken.

    Toure and Gallas cannot mark everyone. But look at Barcelona they have Gio, Messi, Xavi, Eto'o, Iniesta in there first team, Puyol, Marquez and Edmilson still do the defensive work for them and the conbination works as they are the Spanish champions as well as European Champions

    Are Barca crap at defending set pieces? Maybe. I bet that they'd have similar problems if they played in England...
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:25 pm

    Cesc-Fab wrote:I was discussing this with a friend yesterday.

    A good amount of out team players are on the small side, Cesc, Walcott, Ljungberg, Clichy, Eboue even Flamini. I am not making excuses here but Bolton are a very big team. Davies, Diouf, Haim, Pedersen and others are all 6.0' plus. Kolo, Gilberto and Senderos are basically our tall guys on Saturday, we were disadvantaged from that point of view so in the end a smaller guy would be forced to mark a larger player.

    If anyone is to blame it is Kolo, he let his marker go and that proved costly.
    Diouf isn't that big.

    Bolton have been a bit easier to deal with at set-pieces, because Jaidi isn't their anymore.

    Basically they have 3 UNITs Davies, Nolan & Faye.

    Surely Wenger should use Senderos & Adebayor on two of them, and one of Gallas & Toure picks up the other.

    Cesc shouldn't be there - it's the type of thing that Pat Rice in paticular should be looking at.
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    Post by Cesc Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:37 pm

    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:
    Cesc-Fab wrote:I was discussing this with a friend yesterday.

    A good amount of out team players are on the small side, Cesc, Walcott, Ljungberg, Clichy, Eboue even Flamini. I am not making excuses here but Bolton are a very big team. Davies, Diouf, Haim, Pedersen and others are all 6.0' plus. Kolo, Gilberto and Senderos are basically our tall guys on Saturday, we were disadvantaged from that point of view so in the end a smaller guy would be forced to mark a larger player.

    If anyone is to blame it is Kolo, he let his marker go and that proved costly.
    Diouf isn't that big.

    Bolton have been a bit easier to deal with at set-pieces, because Jaidi isn't their anymore.

    Basically they have 3 UNITs Davies, Nolan & Faye.

    Surely Wenger should use Senderos & Adebayor on two of them, and one of Gallas & Toure picks up the other.

    Cesc shouldn't be there - it's the type of thing that Pat Rice in paticular should be looking at.
    Yup Diouf isn't that big, don't know what I was thinking there. I forgot Nolan who is a big guy.

    Adebayor is adequete at defending but with Kolo, Gallas and Gilberto as our only real defensive players on set pieces we will always struggle. Henry and van Persie are also adequete for us in the box.

    I don't think it is just defending setpieces or corners that is a problem for us, also scoring from corners seem to be a problem. We never seem to score enough from them anymore. Gallas and Gilberto have scored from them recently but that was down to serious marking errors from the opposition. Lets hope the management starts taking the problem more seriously sharpish.

    TS - Seen your goals on MoTD2 last night impressive stuff. ok

    What did you make of Wrightys comments on Defoe.

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