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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:56 am

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/7028310.stm


    Fifa president Sepp Blatter has told the BBC he is ready to challenge the European Union to get a quota on foreign players within European teams.
    Blatter made his comments in response to an NOP poll of football fans for BBC1's Football Focus.

    He wants clubs to be limited to five foreigners in their starting XI to allow homegrown talent to flourish.

    The proposal contravenes EU law but Blatter says football needs to act and says a reduction "is a good solution".

    The 71-year-old Swiss argues that football deserves special treatment because it is not like any other job.

    Click here for full results of Football Focus Survey
    "Workers in Europe can circulate freely but footballers are not workers," he said.

    "You cannot consider a footballer like any normal worker because you need 11 to play a match - and they are more artists than workers."

    BBC Sport report into football's 'foreign invasion'

    BBC Sport revealed last month just how much the number of foreigners plying their trade in the Premier League had increased since 1992 and the Football Association has already expressed its concern over the impact that has had on home-grown players.

    Now Football Focus has shown that fans have concerns, too.

    When asked if there should be a quota of foreign players per club in the English Premier League, 56% of the 1055 people surveyed said they were in favour.

    The EU has recently unveiled plans to impose more regulations on football and says the sport should only have limited immunity from rules governing employment.

    However, Blatter says he is ready to fight any EU move.

    "Football has never had the courage to go against this practice," he said.

    "When you have 11 foreigners in a team, this is not good for the development of football, for the education of young players, and there is a financial aspect, too."

    The Football Focus survey also asked for opinions on several other important issues, notably:

    78% said too much money is spoiling the game
    85% said match tickets are too expensive
    And 63% want the introduction of video technology
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:57 am

    for once i agree with blatter BUT this has no chance
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:58 am

    and its designed to make the epl weaker
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:59 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:for once i agree with blatter BUT this has no chance

    Thought you'd be against it, being that Arsenal would suffer the most.
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    Post by Football Genius Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:04 am

    He won't win.

    He is trying to differentiate between an occupation and an artist, however footballers are employed and paid (handsomely) by their clubs.

    He won't win, i actually find one point in the above quite racist

    "When you have 11 foreigners in a team, this is not good for the development of football, for the education of young players, and there is a financial aspect, too."


    Hold on a second Blatter, firstly like Music Football is a universally appreicated sport, we don't have a quota on american singers in this country... why because we want to be entertained and if the majority of those artists are from one country who cares?

    And who says youngsters don't get a chance? Arsenal may not have bled English youngsters into the team, but they have certainly bled 'youngsters' into the team, of what relevance is it that they are English? that is to the detriment of the English national set-up, why is that any business of his?

    Financial aspect, sorry Blatter what financial aspect are you talking about? for the life of me i can't figure out what your point is...
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:07 am

    if he got his way it could actually have a detrimental affect on the lower sides, he's prob trying to help. the big clubs would expand even more their youth set-ups in a catch all effort and weed them out from there putting loads of kids at a longer term disadvantage
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    Post by DeLux Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:16 am

    When you start seeing second/third division teams with foreigners you know something is wrong.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:23 am

    Juego de la Okkas wrote:When you start seeing second/third division teams with foreigners you know something is wrong.

    ok

    Even our reserve team is going that way.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:28 am

    Parks lives wrote:Even our reserve team is going that way.
    thats more natural than the CC1 and 2 clubs though given the number of foreigners in the EPL.

    How many players have been bought by EPL clubs from other English Clubs in the last 5 years, not too many i expect (except Rafa and his hareem of young english kids), particularly how many are playing regularly, and i bet the no. of kids having come through the youth systems and playing regularly has fallen too
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    Post by Roger Hunt Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:21 pm

    If it was genuinely restricted to EU players it wouldn't be so much of an issue. It's the manipulation of the rules to naturalise South American and African players that has really caused a problem.

    It'll just benefit the likes of Man U and Bayern who use their financial position in a country to buy up 'local' talent.
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    Post by A & K Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:23 pm

    Isn't he retired Blatter? This is somehow not a bad idea IMO, but it is unlikely to get implemented. Go and see the likes of Arsenal, Inter, Madrid, and co and you will understand that nowadays too much money has been invested in foreign players.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:23 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:If it was genuinely restricted to EU players it wouldn't be so much of an issue. It's the manipulation of the rules to naturalise South American and African players that has really caused a problem.

    thats a non footy issue that wont go away whatever happens

    It'll just benefit the likes of Man U and Bayern who use their financial position in a country to buy up 'local' talent.

    agreed, it could almost be a counter productive measure
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    Post by EMP Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:26 pm

    It works both ways. If foreign players are cheaper and better developed than young talent then football clubs will go down that route, as they will see it in terms of the bottom line on their money.

    Secondly threre was an Italian player, pretty good as it turned out who was behind imported talent at Napoli. The foreign talent included Maradona at the top of his game and Careca at the top of his. That young player not only did not have his career harmed by foreign talent, but learned a lot and became a great player for Napoli, Parma and Chelsea - Gianfranco Zola. If they are good enough they will make it. They might have to lower their sights to get experience and develop their talents. With the amounts at stake now top teams will buy the talent they need. If that means foreign so be it. Would you rather have a quota that prevents you competing at the top level, or be able to get the talent you need from wherever that happens to be?

    Not the first time I disagree with Blatter and doubt it will be the last.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:44 pm

    Why would the quota preven you from competing at the top level? If everyone is bound by the same rules I don't why it would suddenly cause a previously competitive team to cease to be as such.

    I am in favor of this sort of thing. I prefer Real Madrid to have Spanish players. Maybe it's impossible in modern football but I always go back to the teams of the Quinta del Buitre when I first started watching football and wish that it could be recreated today.
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    Post by EMP Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:25 pm

    Some of the clubs, especially not the rich ones complained that local talent was overpriced and that was why they weent for foreign talent in the first place. For example Walcott is a talent, but was he really the fee paid for him at that stage in his career. Many posters have complained about the cost of players. If quotas are brought in watch the price of local talent rise rapidly. Players will hold out for higher wages because they know that clubs have to fill their quota. If clubs want local talent there is nothing in existing rules preventing them using it.
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    Post by Lard Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:31 pm

    I am in favour of this rule. It would cause some little problems, for example maybe Chelsea or Arsenal would have to splash out for top english players. And then clubs with these players can hold out for a lot more money than they are worth etc. Things along these lines but i think it is a good idea. And Blatter is not usually one with good ideas. Arsenal and Inter would suffer the most im guessing?
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:38 pm

    We would be worse off. Walcott is the only real player that would be considered a first team player for years to come.

    Inter have Materazzi and Toldo and few other Italians in reserve.

    I think the threshold should be around 7-8 though, instead of the 5 being touted.

    Who could we buy though that would keep our squad competitive? And at the same level quality wise?
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    Post by Lard Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:57 pm

    Well i doubt it would be the same level. But i think buying Bentley back for one. Maybe go for Carson, Bridge? I think the idea is more to bring through english youngsters rather than just buy them. But at first you would have to buy a few.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:24 pm

    Wenger - Blatter quota would protect bad players

    Arsène Wenger has voiced his opposition to Sepp Blatter’s plan to impose a quota system on football in Europe.

    Once again the FIFA president has talked publicly about restricting every starting XI to just five foreign players in a bid to develop indigenous talent. It is not certain whether EU law would permit such a ruling but the issue dominated the Arsenal manager’s pre-match press conference on Friday. Wenger would be hit more than anyone by this idea. He has named 11 starting line-ups in the Premier League and Champions League this season, only three have included an Englishman. Naturally he was opposed.

    “I would not be very happy [if it happened] because I feel sport is linked with quality,” he said. “Our purpose is to push the level of the game as high as we can to give people entertainment. If one day you say 'sorry, you cannot play. I know you are better but you are not from the right place', then I would not be happy.

    “Let's not be hypocrites. You [in England] have the biggest economical power, and that means you attract the best players in the world. The best players in the world make what? The best Premier League in the world. But who can pay the consequences of it? Maybe it’s the English national team. However that is the rules.

    “Look at Brazil. They are the reverse of England. They do not have enough economical power, so all the players go abroad. But they all go back for the national team so it does not pay any price for it at all because the players play in the best leagues.

    “For me this [ruling] will protect the bad players, or those who are not good enough. But if the best English players play with the best world class players, then they will be even better and develop quicker.
    There is the principle of a child who is very gifted - if you put him in a bad class, he goes down; you put him in a good class and he goes up. In football it is just the same.”
    http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=482586&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+Blatter+quota+would+protect+bad+players
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    Post by Batman Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:27 pm

    Wouldn't be a problem for Man Utd.
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    Post by Lard Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:31 pm

    Cesc wrote:
    Wenger - Blatter quota would protect bad players

    Arsène Wenger has voiced his opposition to Sepp Blatter’s plan to impose a quota system on football in Europe.

    Once again the FIFA president has talked publicly about restricting every starting XI to just five foreign players in a bid to develop indigenous talent. It is not certain whether EU law would permit such a ruling but the issue dominated the Arsenal manager’s pre-match press conference on Friday. Wenger would be hit more than anyone by this idea. He has named 11 starting line-ups in the Premier League and Champions League this season, only three have included an Englishman. Naturally he was opposed.

    “I would not be very happy [if it happened] because I feel sport is linked with quality,” he said. “Our purpose is to push the level of the game as high as we can to give people entertainment. If one day you say 'sorry, you cannot play. I know you are better but you are not from the right place', then I would not be happy.

    “Let's not be hypocrites. You [in England] have the biggest economical power, and that means you attract the best players in the world. The best players in the world make what? The best Premier League in the world. But who can pay the consequences of it? Maybe it’s the English national team. However that is the rules.

    “Look at Brazil. They are the reverse of England. They do not have enough economical power, so all the players go abroad. But they all go back for the national team so it does not pay any price for it at all because the players play in the best leagues.

    “For me this [ruling] will protect the bad players, or those who are not good enough. But if the best English players play with the best world class players, then they will be even better and develop quicker.
    There is the principle of a child who is very gifted - if you put him in a bad class, he goes down; you put him in a good class and he goes up. In football it is just the same.”
    http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=482586&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+Blatter+quota+would+protect+bad+players

    Not really surprised he doesnt agree. This quota may protect english football, and that is a better argument than protecting a few bad players.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:36 pm

    In Scotland they have a rule which states that every team must have three Under-21 players on their eighteen man matchday squads. If they can do this with age then maybe regulating nationalities can be easier than originally thought.
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    Post by Batman Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:37 pm

    How would you rate this Arsenal team?

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    Hoyte . . . . Toure . . . . Upson . . . . Clichy

    Bentley . . . Fabregas . . . Sidwell . . . Rosicky

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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:43 pm

    With Wenger supposedly having £100M or so to spend their is no excuse for him not to sign any 'talented' English player which he sees can fit into his Arsenal team , also that excuse 'English players are too expensive' (which is the fault of the selling team) would be thrown out of the window. But of course he wont splash silly money around (if the player is not work it)


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    Post by Rosicky Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:44 pm

    If the rule ever came in (which it wont) i think it would make the Premiership would be more competitive, as it would reduce the edge United, Chelsea etc have over the mid-table teams.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:54 pm

    In all honesty that team would find it really hard work to make the Champions League spots. Bentley would be the only player that I think would thrive at Arsenal. Walcott over time may prove to live up to the hype of course. Our goalkeeper position is the area that needs strengthening and improving most, an opportunity to bring in an English player. The only problem is that this country cannot produce good quality goalkeepers. I cannot think of one that is considered a real prospect, that is set for a big future. Kirkland had that in the past, but has never lived up to it.

    @ Rai

    I think it is £70m, but still a substantial amount of money. Hypothetically speaking Micah Richards has apparently stalled on a new deal so he would be an option in this sort of situation, maybe David Bentley as well.

    Its worth noting that we are not the only English club that this proposed quota would effect.
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    Post by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:08 pm

    Phase it in. 1 or 2 Domestic players must be added to the line up per year from now. That way it'll give teams the opportunity to start looking for local talent and we don't destroy the likes of Arsenal...etc
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    Post by Bashmachkin Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:19 pm

    In Newcastles case, a quota limiting the number of English players we are allowed would be more suitable. If the quota limited the number of English players allowed to four per squad of sixteen, then we would have Harper, Milner, Owen and Taylor and the likes of Butt, Smith and Barton would have to languish in the reserves or be sold to make way for actual talent.

    Personally, I think any quota is a disgraceful idea, with nothing to redeem it. Clubs in England will always look to the youth in the country - that youth wont be ignored and for various reasons - there are various benefits for clubs in bringing in local youngsters in particular because these people are already settled in the area (or more broadly the country), they know the language, and they may have a connection to the club theyre going to join. And as long as football remains popular in England, youngsters are going to play and the clubs will be able to find people they can nurture. From there I agree entirely with the view that anyone who is good enough will make it in the game. If English youngsters dont turn out to be good enough, then thats more of a grassroots problem, a problem with English footballing culture, with, for instance, the lack of focus on technique in much of the English game - which, along with overpricing, is what makes Wenger turn to foreign players.

    Theres also the fact that, for me, club comes well before country, and I would be pretty frustrated if I did have to see eleven Nicky Butts on the pitch rather than the likes of Martins and N'Zogbia. I do think a large part of the problem in England in particular is that players arent taught the basics of technique and passing - and in this sense, the problem is arguably more that, at youth level, England is not learning from the example of foreign players elsewhere who are more technically able, or fitter, or whatever, and who some managers prefer for those reasons. On a similar note, I tend to think theres still a bit of superstition from some regarding foreigners in the English game - that theyre not physical enough, that they cheat and so on - so that Newcastle managers have in the past played English players ahead of foreigners to the detriment of the team. Lua Lua was never really considered much for us once he decided to play for the Congo rather than England Under 21s; Jenas and Dyer were always preferred over Viana, who I always felt could have been a marvellous player for us, whose passing and footballing nous was clearly a level above most of the rest of our team; Robert was always an easy target for criticism despite being our only goalscoring midfielder and our main provider; Solano was sold for Darren Ambrose; and so on.
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    Post by Tweesus Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:37 pm

    Cesc wrote:In all honesty that team would find it really hard work to make the Champions League spots. Bentley would be the only player that I think would thrive at Arsenal. Walcott over time may prove to live up to the hype of course. Our goalkeeper position is the area that needs strengthening and improving most, an opportunity to bring in an English player. The only problem is that this country cannot produce good quality goalkeepers. I cannot think of one that is considered a real prospect, that is set for a big future. Kirkland had that in the past, but has never lived up to it.

    @ Rai

    I think it is £70m, but still a substantial amount of money. Hypothetically speaking Micah Richards has apparently stalled on a new deal so he would be an option in this sort of situation, maybe David Bentley as well.

    Its worth noting that we are not the only English club that this proposed quota would effect.

    Micah Richards supports Arsenal ok With Gallas seemingly always injured, its something we should be considering aside from this whole quota business
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    Post by bluenine Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:42 pm

    If I am not mistaken, those days there was a restriction on number of foriegn players in Italy... you could not start more than 3, and I think the squad restriction was 6.

    Personally I thought that was a good rule...It used to help clubs from countries in europe which produced a lot of talent... the dutch clubs used to be so much better, and german clubs.... even clubs from eastern europe... coz so many big clubs used to max their limits with south american players... you had to be really really good as a foriegner to make the Milan or Inter teams...

    I doubt Blatter can impliment this, but if he can, its a good idea... even tho Inter stand to lose a lot from this...

    EMP wrote:It works both ways. If foreign players are cheaper and better developed than young talent then football clubs will go down that route, as they will see it in terms of the bottom line on their money.

    Secondly threre was an Italian player, pretty good as it turned out who was behind imported talent at Napoli. The foreign talent included Maradona at the top of his game and Careca at the top of his. That young player not only did not have his career harmed by foreign talent, but learned a lot and became a great player for Napoli, Parma and Chelsea - Gianfranco Zola. If they are good enough they will make it. They might have to lower their sights to get experience and develop their talents. With the amounts at stake now top teams will buy the talent they need. If that means foreign so be it. Would you rather have a quota that prevents you competing at the top level, or be able to get the talent you need from wherever that happens to be?

    Not the first time I disagree with Blatter and doubt it will be the last.

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