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    Post by DS Wed May 07, 2008 10:53 am

    FIFA president Sepp Blatter has claimed the dominance of English clubs in the Champions League proves a quota system to limit the number of foreign players is needed.
    For the last two seasons, there have been three Barclays Premier League sides in the last-four of Europe's elite club competition and Blatter fears a monopolisation of football, with the richest clubs buying up the best players from all over the world at the expense of domestic talent.
    He is to seek a mandate from the FIFA Congress later this month to begin talks with the European Union and football's authorities over implementing a 'six-plus-five', rule where a maximum of five players in a starting XI can be foreign.
    FIFA will also look to extend the residency period to five years before a player can represent another country - in some countries the period is currently as short as two years.
    Blatter told a conference call: "Shall we let the rich become richer and say nothing?
    "The big money is coming out of the Champions League - it's the biggest league in the world and practically 80% of the income goes to the directly to the 32 participating clubs.
    "This season, there were four English teams in the last eight, three in the semi-finals and two in the final.
    "The Champions League has been very successful financially but it has also favoured national inequality. That's why, being in charge of football, I have to bring this item to the attention of the Congress.
    "This is the sporting situation but let us start with our idea of the six-plus-five rule and then we will see what the difference will be in the future.
    "This rule will be fighting against the monopolies of clubs and leagues.
    "But we are not fighting the problem of money but for the identity of national teams."
    Blatter claimed his plan for the six-plus-five rule would not contravene EU labour law because it did not limit the number of foreign players a club could take on - just the number that start a match. Both the EU and UEFA dispute that however.
    The FIFA president said he would aim to have a minimum of four domestic players by 2010, five by 2011 and up to six in 2012.
    In terms of the residency period, Blatter has become alarmed by the number of players - especially from Brazil - taking on foreign citizenship and then appearing for their new countries.
    Arsenal striker Eduardo, who plays for Croatia, is one example.
    Blatter added: "After only a two-year period, a player can receive nationality from another country and there is a danger that in 2014 half the players in the World Cup could come from Brazil!
    "That's why the executive committee will propose to the Congress that only after five years being resident that a player can become a 'football citizen'."
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    Post by DS Wed May 07, 2008 10:55 am

    So when English began to dominate ,change the rules , good one.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed May 07, 2008 10:55 am

    Conte.
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    Post by DS Wed May 07, 2008 10:56 am

    Isnt this against the EU rule of employment by the way , how can you restrict employments on the basis of nationality ?

    Time near for FIFA to burst probably.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed May 07, 2008 11:14 am

    DS wrote:So when English began to dominate ,change the rules , good one.

    Exactly. Chelsea and Man United play a fair amount of English players anyway so to point it out now makes no sense. Chelsea have 3/4 English players, Man United 5/6 English players. Thats as many as most top European clubs.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed May 07, 2008 11:20 am

    Parky why take everything so literally. Do you honestly believe that nothing needs to be done to redress the balance between the haves and have nots? You need 20 decent-ish EPL teams otherwise the boredom factor will set in, sky/setanta will lose subscribers and the income will drop. Which will in turn affect your ability to compete in the ECL. Hence, imho, whilst I'm not sure this 6+5 in its current format is a goer due to EU employment laws, its at least good that something is being done and looked at.

    Its the same with the ECL, last season 3 semi finalists for the EPL, this year the same. Again whilst it may be good for you, if this continues it'll turn off the rest of europe and again tv revenue will reduce as the mainland european broadcasters bid less to show the competition.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed May 07, 2008 12:02 pm

    I've got nothing against the 6+5, I've been all for it before.

    Its the fact that its because English teams are dominating Europe that it gets addressed. When Chelsea and Man United are well represented with National players.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed May 07, 2008 12:08 pm

    It's not just about you and chelsea though liverpool and arsenal were both close and have vvv few english players. it does serve blatters purpose i know but if some good comes of it all well and good.
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed May 07, 2008 12:53 pm

    DS wrote:So when English began to dominate ,change the rules , good one.

    We all know FIFA and UEFA care for only three things : Money, Germany & Brazil.

    In this case it's all about the money : the CL is getting more uninteresting by the year and that will cause a drop in revenue.....the only thing that will draw UEFA's attention.
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    Post by DS Wed May 07, 2008 2:42 pm

    Getting the 2nd league stage back would bring more excitement and a less pragmatic approach imo.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Wed May 07, 2008 2:48 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:
    DS wrote:So when English began to dominate ,change the rules , good one.

    We all know FIFA and UEFA care for only three things : Money, Germany & Brazil.

    In this case it's all about the money : the CL is getting more uninteresting by the year and that will cause a drop in revenue.....the only thing that will draw UEFA's attention.

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    Post by The Bulk Wed May 07, 2008 2:51 pm

    Blatter wants to introduce it because he feels that young players have lost their motivation to become good footballers.

    I think his plan could actually lead to young players becoming unmotivated. Here's why:

    Indeed, I think I would become more disheartened at the prospect of continuously encountering and trying to overcome an extrinsic prejudice against my talent. The idea of trying to better myself in the presence of superior, albeit foreign, talents would actually be a personal source of sufficient motivation and encouragement for me to try and improve my abilities.

    What kind of attitude does Blatter want to foster in young players anyway? His comments would, I imagine, only appeal to the lazy and pessimistic: don’t try and improve your abilities, because it isn’t worth endeavouring to do so in the presence of more talented foreign players, and, anyway, you don’t need to try because we’ll implement a rule that removes the need to improve your abilities in the presence of a challenge.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed May 07, 2008 3:02 pm

    TQE that is indeed one angle BUT there is huge demotivation with the current system whereby many feel whatever they do there'll always be a better (often highly questionable) foreigner regardless of what they do and by not getting an opportunity they'll never become any better
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    Post by The Bulk Wed May 07, 2008 3:19 pm

    Is it possible to design a flawless system? I don't know. But, personally, I'd prefer to be able to move freely irrespective of my abilities.

    Excluding players from certain markets on the basis of their geographical location isn't equitable. The corollary is also true: benefiting players irrespective of their talent because of their geographical location isn't fair.

    I'd rather participate in a competition where talent takes precedence over geography.

    I watch football for the skills of its individuals - not because of where they were born or grew up.

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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed May 07, 2008 3:34 pm

    i see your viewpoint, i'm not saying this would actually address the issues i'm worried about, i'm just glad at the moment they are looking at the big issue for me, which is competitiveness. the rich are becoming much richer whilst the others are going backwards. hence this whole EPL and ECL could become very predictable and tedious
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    Post by robert Wed May 07, 2008 3:59 pm

    It will make local players ridiculously expensive. The end result will still be the same. The only different being that the monopoly of local talent will cluster in 3-4 clubs.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed May 07, 2008 4:04 pm

    In a simplistic system possibly, BUT with added rules and the current FA system for academies its hardly likely Man U or anyone else will dominate youth football, at least this way the english clubs would get the serious income from transfers and less would go to overseas teams. its not perfect and i am yet to be convinced 100% myself but as i said it needs discussion and investigation
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    Post by robert Wed May 07, 2008 4:09 pm

    I'm not talking about youth football. I'm talking about. Proffesionals. English players are already ridiculously expensive. With this system in place they will be far worse. Not to mention that it breeds mediocrity.
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    Post by Axeslammer Wed May 07, 2008 4:16 pm

    Something has to be done to stop the concentration of talent, the whole "rich getting richer" scenario.

    Playing around with locals vs foreigners is just a thought.

    I'm convinced we'll be having a salary-cap and draft system within 10 years....otherwise the game will be dead and buried.
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    Post by Football Genius Wed May 07, 2008 5:13 pm

    Why use Quotas - if they want us out of Europe just do what the pricks did last time and kick us out Ale
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    Post by The Bulk Wed May 07, 2008 10:18 pm

    Frank

    I see your point too. I agree that certain young players will feel very, very disheartened given their endeavours, particularly when they see mediocre - or worse - players entering their club from foreign countries.

    I can't think of any particularly great examples, but I'm sure there are plenty.
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    Post by Brian2468 Thu May 08, 2008 1:28 am

    It looks like the EPL has to much strength in the cash department. Blatter has a point. If you want to see european football from a club country perspective. Having more local players at the club may lessen the quality but the overall games will be played at a higher standard.
    From an English point of view it could make our national team down the road stronger.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Thu May 08, 2008 8:41 am

    It could also make it weaker, by supporting mediocrity in English players (i.e. reducing competition for places, because clubs have to have a minimum number of players from that country).

    There's also a decent argument that the interests of club and country are generally going to be opposed. Many great international sides have been built from a core of players from a single club side that was very dominant in its league.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Thu May 08, 2008 9:44 am

    DS wrote:Isnt this against the EU rule of employment by the way , how can you restrict employments on the basis of nationality ?

    Time near for FIFA to burst probably.

    But if we would follow the European law there wouldn't be a national league anymore so English please don't be so hypocrite.

    Allow an European League in stead of the English Premier League...The EPL is protectionism.... A criminal act according to the EU....

    So English please shut up with talking about you are following the European rules because you simply don't! Football is NO free market (yet)
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    Post by Roger Hunt Thu May 08, 2008 9:53 am

    Don't think that this is true. There is nothing legally to prevent someone setting up another league in Europe and inviting clubs to join. UEFA probably wouldn't recognise them, but it would just be like the WBO/IBF etc etc in boxing.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Thu May 08, 2008 10:06 am

    RicardoJol wrote:So English please shut up with talking about you are following the European rules because you simply don't! Football is NO free market (yet)
    football leagues may have escaped competition rules BUT employment does come under EU laws hence Bosman.

    i also agree with RH a break away league is v possible, it would't i doubt be recognised by UEFA or FIFA and i'm sure they'd try to block players/teams from entering their competitions but its certainly a possibility. given the success of the IPL in cricket don't count out some yank going for this in the next 5 years. Hence all these yanks getting their foot in the door now.
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    Post by DS Thu May 08, 2008 12:31 pm

    RicardoJol wrote:
    DS wrote:Isnt this against the EU rule of employment by the way , how can you restrict employments on the basis of nationality ?

    Time near for FIFA to burst probably.

    But if we would follow the European law there wouldn't be a national league anymore so English please don't be so hypocrite.

    Allow an European League in stead of the English Premier League...The EPL is protectionism.... A criminal act according to the EU....

    So English please shut up with talking about you are following the European rules because you simply don't! Football is NO free market (yet)
    Firstly I am German , 2ndly to say it simply none has yet tried to built a break away league if somebody did there is nothing to stop that according to free trade rule.
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    Post by Brian2468 Thu May 08, 2008 3:54 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:It could also make it weaker, by supporting mediocrity in English players (i.e. reducing competition for places, because clubs have to have a minimum number of players from that country).

    There's also a decent argument that the interests of club and country are generally going to be opposed. Many great international sides have been built from a core of players from a single club side that was very dominant in its league.

    Competition is fine and dandy I think it is great to have all the top players in the EPL. It is clear the rest of europe would have a tough time holding back the epl from growing way bigger than everyone. One big league with all the stars. BS as far as I'm concerned. Greedy clubs looking out for there own business I can understand this, but they are also hurting the game. What really drives the passion in the game? Is it not the uncertainty of winning and losing. If your team does not need to struggle and dominates all games while the rest have to suck it up then your team of over hyped players will fail also. Players need space to grow, besides setting up a good youth training system they require a league they can amplify there skills and mature. Ale
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Thu May 08, 2008 4:29 pm

    Enlarge the EPL by making it an European League with all the super stars in it. That's according to the European single market law! the rest is protectionism.

    So why are you guys against the 5+6 rule if you are already take a mess with the European laws....?
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    Post by Roger Hunt Thu May 08, 2008 4:42 pm

    Brian2468 wrote:
    Roger Hunt wrote:It could also make it weaker, by supporting mediocrity in English players (i.e. reducing competition for places, because clubs have to have a minimum number of players from that country).

    There's also a decent argument that the interests of club and country are generally going to be opposed. Many great international sides have been built from a core of players from a single club side that was very dominant in its league.

    Competition is fine and dandy I think it is great to have all the top players in the EPL. It is clear the rest of europe would have a tough time holding back the epl from growing way bigger than everyone. One big league with all the stars. BS as far as I'm concerned. Greedy clubs looking out for there own business I can understand this, but they are also hurting the game. What really drives the passion in the game? Is it not the uncertainty of winning and losing. If your team does not need to struggle and dominates all games while the rest have to suck it up then your team of over hyped players will fail also. Players need space to grow, besides setting up a good youth training system they require a league they can amplify there skills and mature. Ale

    The NFL draft system is a much fairer way of distributing talent and ensures all teams have a shot at winning trophies over a period of time.

    But in the absence of a single entity to ensure an absolutely level playing field across Europe (and I believe that even at the moment there are foreign (i.e. non-EU) players rules in place in Spain, for example) it is unlikely to happen.

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