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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:39 pm

    Blatter's quota vote could force clubs to cull foreigners
    By Nick Harris

    The most radical shake-up of football in decades could be just months away after Fifa's president, Sepp Blatter, said yesterday that he wants a vote on quotas for home-grown players to take place in May. Under Blatter's proposal, club sides would be forced to field a minimum of six players eligible for the national team of the country in which they play. In England, this would mean teams such as Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool being fundamentally dismantled and reshaped to include at least six English players for all games.

    In theory, this could happen as soon as August. In practice, major legal hurdles will probably prevent that. But Blatter's announcement is the strongest signal yet that Fifa, world football's governing body, intends to do everything in its power to introduce quotas in some form as soon as possible. The springboard for the announcement was a meeting on Monday of the Fifa Football Committee, a group of prominent players, former players, coaches and officials, including a representative of the players' international union, FIFPro. Those present included Blatter, Franz Beckenbauer, Pele and Sven Goran Eriksson.

    Eriksson, whose Manchester City side is dominated by foreign players, was presumably among those who voiced, according to a Fifa statement,
    "certain doubts as to [the] effectiveness" of the so-called "6+5" plan. But the same statement also announced that the Committee "considers the 6+5 rule in principle as necessary, and also advisable from a moral point of view." Most significantly, Blatter plans to submit the 6+5 rule to the Fifa
    congress in Sydney in May. A Fifa spokesman said: "Until a firm agenda is finalised a few weeks before, we can't guarantee a vote, but the Committee meeting seems to indicate there will be a vote on the application of the rule." Barring an uncharacteristic change of heart by Blatter, Fifa's 208 member associations will be asked in May to vote "yes" or "no" to the introduction of the 6+5 rule. A simple majority carries sway in such votes, and a "yes" would set in train an extraordinary change in the world game, not to mention inevitable legal challenges.

    The Football Association, which would have a vote, has gone on record as saying "we prefer meritocracy to quotas" but would not decide on a voting stance before consultation with Fifa "and the stakeholders of the game in England". The FA's representative on the Committee, Trevor Brooking, was not at Monday's meeting, and the FA was unaware of any plan by Blatter to put the 6+5 rule to a vote in May. Under EU law, quotas preventing EU nationals from working in other EU countries are illegal, but Blatter believes the EU might listen to pleas for change because of "the
    specificity of sport in the new European Treaty." He hopes that if football itself democratically votes for the quotas, the EU may allow them. As in all politics, yesterday's announcement is probably more the start of a bargaining position than anything.

    Very interesting! My 2 bits:
    1. I think this will get formal approval - this allows smaller or poorer leagues to retain more of their talent! I think a majority will vote for this. On the other hand, those leagues might not want to lose the money they currently get from lucrative transfers from the Big 3. Lets see how this turns out...

    2. Remember how things were before EU - when in Serie A, you were allowed to field only 3 non-italians? I don't think that was such a bad thing... now this rule will take us back to those days in a way, except that it will be 5 instead of 3. I am not completely against this rule, even though this will impact Inter the worst in Italy. We need 3-4 top quality Italians now!!

    3. The main reason I like this rule is that there will be less number of foriegners playing in the Big 3 leagues... which means that old traditional teams like Ajax, PSV, Benfica, even Red Star Belgrade, etc will be able to retain more of their talent, and be a bigger force in european football - we need that, currently the CL is basically between the english, spanish and italian teams, and its becoming a bit monotonous!!
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:42 pm

    bluenine wrote:

    3. The main reason I like this rule is that there will be less number of foriegners playing in the Big 3 leagues... which means that old traditional teams like Ajax, PSV, Benfica, even Red Star Belgrade, etc will be able to retain more of their talent, and be a bigger force in european football - we need that, currently the CL is basically between the english, spanish and italian teams, and its becoming a bit monotonous!!

    ok

    Prior to 1992 everything was even across Europe later Bosman fucked things up, with Bosman went the rule you have to play certain amount of national players in your XI I think 8?
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    Post by fcb Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:46 pm

    Bad idea I think...suddenly requiring 6 is too much, it should be gradual, and maybe not go more than 3 or 4. And what happens in case of injuries? Too many instances will occur where clubs have to ask for special permission because 4 of their 7 Italians are injured. Instead the rule should be such that at least 8-10 members (out of 25) of the first team squad are from that country, or some similar proportion.

    Regarding your first point - smaller or poorer leagues may benefit, but smaller or poorer teams in every league will be hit worse, because the big clubs will buy more of their English (to use an example) players if their own academies cannot produce enough players.

    And if this is implemented, what does it mean for UEFA's own rule of a min. of 2 home players, plus 2 or 3 "homegrown" players. ie. foreigners, but as long as they came through the club's academy (hence why the English clubs are stealing as much European talent as possible at younger and younger ages).

    Anyway, this will *never* get off the ground in legal terms, especially something so drastic. At most I can see a variation of the system in Spain, where it's restricted to non-EU players, but even then clubs get around it by finding all sorts of European ancestors, esp. for the Argentinian players.


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    Post by SuperMario Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:47 pm

    in Holland it would only affect a few clubs (the ones above the line).

    Think it would be good for Dutch youth players (more chances at PSV, Ajax, etc).

    Club, % of playing time by Dutch players, number of Dutch players out of total squad

    Roda JC 31% 8 of 20
    Heracles Almelo 32% 8 of 23
    PSV 35% 9 of 25
    FC Groningen 40% 13 of 26
    SC Heerenveen 49% 10 of 22
    Ajax 53% 14 of 29
    Vitesse 57% 13 of 23
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    AZ 62% 14 of 23
    Sparta Rotterdam 65% 19 of 26
    FC Utrecht 34% 19 of 28
    FC Twente 67% 14 of 20
    NAC Breda 68% 17 of 22
    NEC 70% 18 of 25
    De Graafschap 71% 16 of 21
    Willem II 74% 19 of 25
    Feyenoord 75% 18 of 22
    VVV-Venlo 76% 17 of 23
    Excelsior 91% 22 of 26

    total Eredivisie 60% 268 of 429

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    would be a disaster for the EPL. level would go down considerably. Arsenal would be fucked big time.
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    Post by fcb Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:49 pm

    De Guzman wrote:in Holland it would only affect a few clubs (the ones above the line).

    Think it would be good for Dutch youth players (more chances at PSV, Ajax, etc).

    Club, % of playing time by Dutch players, number of Dutch players of total squad

    Roda JC 31% 8 of 20
    Heracles Almelo 32% 8 of 23
    PSV 35% 9 of 25
    FC Groningen 40% 13 of 26
    SC Heerenveen 49% 10 of 22
    Ajax 53% 14 of 29
    Vitesse 57% 13 of 23
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    AZ 62% 14 of 23
    Sparta Rotterdam 65% 19 of 26
    FC Utrecht 34% 19 of 28
    FC Twente 67% 14 of 20
    NAC Breda 68% 17 of 22
    NEC 70% 18 of 25
    De Graafschap 71% 16 of 21
    Willem II 74% 19 of 25
    Feyenoord 75% 18 of 22
    VVV-Venlo 76% 17 of 23
    Excelsior 91% 22 of 26

    total Eredivisie 60% 268 of 429

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    would be a disaster for the EPL. level would go down considerably. Arsenal would be fucked big time.

    Spain will be hit badly too, because even many of the small or mid-sized teams rely heavily on their South Americans (who are naturalised or have European ancestry/dual citizenship).
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:51 pm

    Fairly inevitable from an Arsenal fan, but personally I'm against it. I don't like the idea of telling a player they aren't welcome at the club just because of where they are born. From an English perspective I think it takes a lazy approach to boosting the number of domestic players, and not necessarily one that will result in the improvements to the domestic game that we need. The main positive I can see from it is that it would probably benefit smaller clubs and those from outside the big leagues.

    Aside from the huge legal challenges that this would face, there are other issues that would need to be fixed to ensure a level playing field. Some countries are better qualified at finding foreign players who can obtain the necessary passports, plus some countries allow clubs to pick youth players from anywhere in the country and some restrict clubs to taking academy players from only the local area. There would need to be greater consistency in this respect.
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    Post by SuperMario Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:52 pm

    Kind of guessed that about Spain too.

    Think you can add another zero to each transfer involving an English player if this happens.... Italian and Spanish prices would skyrocket too.

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    Isn't Blatter's idea against European Law, free exchange of workers, etc...


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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:53 pm

    It's a good idea ok

    If he manages to get it past the EU then this world is even more fucked up than I already think it is Ale
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:56 pm

    Look at the 1990/91 European Cup

    How many of these teams have a chance today ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_1990-91
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    Post by Parks lives Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:57 pm

    6 is maybe too much but we certainly need some form of quota's.
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    Post by fcb Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:57 pm

    Axeslammer wrote:It's a good idea ok

    If he manages to get it past the EU then this world is even more fucked up than I already think it is Ale

    UEFA does have some kind of agreement with the EU. It basically says that the sport of football is "above the law" (putting it very crudely) in certain aspects of the EU's labour laws. But no doubt that will need some serious modification if these rules are to go through. And even if clubs don't take legal action against this kind of rule, there will no doubt be a player or agent looking to become the next Bosman. I can already see some player who has only one club interested in him, but because he is not of a certain nationality they can't sign him, and then the whole thing descends into a messy legal saga.
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    Post by fcb Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:59 pm

    Nummer 14 wrote:Look at the 1990/91 European Cup

    How many of these teams have a chance today ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Cup_1990-91

    That point by itself is a bit too simplistic - a tournament that is only knockout-style will always throw up the odd upset or two more than a league format. In knockouts, injuries or tough fixtures can impact a team much more.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:13 pm

    Needing 6 players to be local means that more than half of your squad needs to be of local nationality.

    It will hurt Inter the most (in Italy), but I can see the clear merits in this rule.

    1. It will reduce the dominance of "rich" leagues over the "poor" ones, and IMO that is a good thing.

    2. It will also increase the correlation between quality of local talent and strength of clubs... countries with better depth of football talent will have stronger clubs... countries like France and Holland will really benefit from this

    3. More contenders for the CL, that can only be a good thing.

    As for the legal issues, I think UEFA have already sorted some of those out with the EU... they are anyways implementing the rule of "homegrown" players next season.
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    Post by fcb Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:16 pm

    One immediate benefit that I can see though is that reserve/youth teams will not be chock-ful of youngsters from all over... coughArsenalandLiverpoolcough. But it's important that FIFA does indeed make the distinction between "home" players and "home-grown" players, and doesn't just allow (English) clubs to get away with the latter like UEFA has done.
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:17 pm

    bluenine wrote:Needing 6 players to be local means that more than half of your squad needs to be of local nationality.

    It will hurt Inter the most (in Italy), but I can see the clear merits in this rule.

    1. It will reduce the dominance of "rich" leagues over the "poor" ones, and IMO that is a good thing.

    2. It will also increase the correlation between quality of local talent and strength of clubs... countries with better depth of football talent will have stronger clubs... countries like France and Holland will really benefit from this

    3. More contenders for the CL, that can only be a good thing.

    As for the legal issues, I think UEFA have already sorted some of those out with the EU... they are anyways implementing the rule of "homegrown" players next season.

    I am with you on this. There will be resistance, even litigation. Clubs are very arrogant these days. It is also interesting that the day you post this, the Premiership is contemplating playing games abroad.
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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:21 pm

    if he said every club must field 3/4 players then i would agree with it but 6 is too many, all Blatter is trying to do is make international football be the dominant force in the game.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:22 pm

    kas wrote:One immediate benefit that I can see though is that reserve/youth teams will not be chock-ful of youngsters from all over... coughArsenalandLiverpoolcough. But it's important that FIFA does indeed make the distinction between "home" players and "home-grown" players, and doesn't just allow (English) clubs to get away with the latter like UEFA has done.

    Just a quick point here, we are actually trying to develop domestic youngsters, it's just a slow process that is only now starting to be rewarded. We have a lot more English players in our youth and reserve teams now, usually at least seven or eight starters. In the side that lost to Liverpool in the youth cup the other week, ten of the thirteen players were English.
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    Post by fcb Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:26 pm

    Sheffield gunner wrote:
    kas wrote:One immediate benefit that I can see though is that reserve/youth teams will not be chock-ful of youngsters from all over... coughArsenalandLiverpoolcough. But it's important that FIFA does indeed make the distinction between "home" players and "home-grown" players, and doesn't just allow (English) clubs to get away with the latter like UEFA has done.

    Just a quick point here, we are actually trying to develop domestic youngsters, it's just a slow process that is only now starting to be rewarded. We have a lot more English players in our youth and reserve teams now, usually at least seven or eight starters. In the side that lost to Liverpool in the youth cup the other week, ten of the thirteen players were English.

    Fair enough...I haven't kept fully up to date.
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:28 pm

    It won't happen.

    Big clubs will prevent it from happening.

    Imagine if they suddenly implemented it! The transfer market would be in complete and utter chaos!
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    Post by Murray Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:38 pm

    The EU won't allow it so no point in even discussing it.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:14 pm

    kas wrote:
    De Guzman wrote:in Holland it would only affect a few clubs (the ones above the line).

    Think it would be good for Dutch youth players (more chances at PSV, Ajax, etc).

    Club, % of playing time by Dutch players, number of Dutch players of total squad

    Roda JC 31% 8 of 20
    Heracles Almelo 32% 8 of 23
    PSV 35% 9 of 25
    FC Groningen 40% 13 of 26
    SC Heerenveen 49% 10 of 22
    Ajax 53% 14 of 29
    Vitesse 57% 13 of 23
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    AZ 62% 14 of 23
    Sparta Rotterdam 65% 19 of 26
    FC Utrecht 34% 19 of 28
    FC Twente 67% 14 of 20
    NAC Breda 68% 17 of 22
    NEC 70% 18 of 25
    De Graafschap 71% 16 of 21
    Willem II 74% 19 of 25
    Feyenoord 75% 18 of 22
    VVV-Venlo 76% 17 of 23
    Excelsior 91% 22 of 26

    total Eredivisie 60% 268 of 429

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    would be a disaster for the EPL. level would go down considerably. Arsenal would be fucked big time.

    Spain will be hit badly too, because even many of the small or mid-sized teams rely heavily on their South Americans (who are naturalised or have European ancestry/dual citizenship).

    Not as much as you'd think. Here are the % of foreignors for La Liga teams:

    Almeria: 30.4%
    Athlteic: 0%
    Atletico: 56.5%
    Barcelona: 60%
    Betis: 40%
    Deportivo: 33.3%
    Espanyol: 29.1%
    Getafe: 30.7%
    Levante: 52%
    Mallorca: 43.4%
    Murcia: 29.1%
    Osasuna: 14.8%
    Racing: 30%
    Real Madrid: 64%
    Recreativo: 36%
    Sevilla: 71.4%
    Valencia: 34.6%
    Valladolid: 10.7%
    Villarreal: 52.3%
    Zaragoza: 29.1%

    So the average is 37% foreignors. Of course that is scewed somewhat by Athletic having none. If you remove the lowest (Athletic) and the highest (Sevilla) the average is 33.8%.

    I would love this, I hate that we have so many useless foreign players. I'd much rather us have kept Diego Lopez or made Jordi Codina the backup goalkeeper rather than sign Dudek. I'd much prefer that we kept Arbeloa than sign Heinze or Marcelo. I could go on and on. I spent my formative years watching Real Madrid play with no more than 3 foreign players and part of me would love to go back to that. I also prefer the starting players to wear numbers 1-11 but that's another discussion. Biggrin
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:28 pm

    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
    bluenine wrote:Needing 6 players to be local means that more than half of your squad needs to be of local nationality.

    It will hurt Inter the most (in Italy), but I can see the clear merits in this rule.

    1. It will reduce the dominance of "rich" leagues over the "poor" ones, and IMO that is a good thing.

    2. It will also increase the correlation between quality of local talent and strength of clubs... countries with better depth of football talent will have stronger clubs... countries like France and Holland will really benefit from this

    3. More contenders for the CL, that can only be a good thing.

    As for the legal issues, I think UEFA have already sorted some of those out with the EU... they are anyways implementing the rule of "homegrown" players next season.

    I am with you on this. There will be resistance, even litigation. Clubs are very arrogant these days. It is also interesting that the day you post this, the Premiership is contemplating playing games abroad.
    There will be huge resistance, but if FIFA/UEFA can sort out the issue with EU, then no one can stop this. However, that is easier said than done, and obviously will take more than a year to implement.

    The EPL games abroad issue is completely different, and one I totally support. Serie A also looked at this model seriously sometime back (wasn't an italian supercup played in egypt??) but did not proceed with it - which is silly. International audiences are starting to sway things, and its very probable that EPL clubs will earn more than 50% of their money from outside of UK in 10 years time. This move (if it happens) will go a long way in selling the EPL brand in Asia/Americas... EPL is already the best packaged football product, and its marketing is already miles ahead of other big leagues. This will only take them one step further in that direction!
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:16 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
    bluenine wrote:Needing 6 players to be local means that more than half of your squad needs to be of local nationality.

    It will hurt Inter the most (in Italy), but I can see the clear merits in this rule.

    1. It will reduce the dominance of "rich" leagues over the "poor" ones, and IMO that is a good thing.

    2. It will also increase the correlation between quality of local talent and strength of clubs... countries with better depth of football talent will have stronger clubs... countries like France and Holland will really benefit from this

    3. More contenders for the CL, that can only be a good thing.

    As for the legal issues, I think UEFA have already sorted some of those out with the EU... they are anyways implementing the rule of "homegrown" players next season.

    I am with you on this. There will be resistance, even litigation. Clubs are very arrogant these days. It is also interesting that the day you post this, the Premiership is contemplating playing games abroad.
    There will be huge resistance, but if FIFA/UEFA can sort out the issue with EU, then no one can stop this. However, that is easier said than done, and obviously will take more than a year to implement.

    The EPL games abroad issue is completely different, and one I totally support. Serie A also looked at this model seriously sometime back (wasn't an italian supercup played in egypt??) but did not proceed with it - which is silly. International audiences are starting to sway things, and its very probable that EPL clubs will earn more than 50% of their money from outside of UK in 10 years time. This move (if it happens) will go a long way in selling the EPL brand in Asia/Americas... EPL is already the best packaged football product, and its marketing is already miles ahead of other big leagues. This will only take them one step further in that direction!

    Juve played in Tripoli (Libya). It caused a huge uproar amongst many, but mainly for xenophobic reasons. For me, it was a travesty for other reasons.

    I am old fashioned when it comes to football. I don't see the point of playing games in countries which have little connection with the teams. Exhibition games are different, but official games during the season? One more circus act if you ask me, and one too far.

    A terrible decision. I know you will disagree because you like the global appeal of football and any buttressing of that serves your convictions. But for me personally, I feel that moves like these come at the expense of local fans who are becoming increasingly alienated from their teams. Sure, it may become a necessity because of football's growing commercialism, but whether it's a good thing is a completely different issue.

    This is even more rich because I am a fan of Milan, and I live outside of Italy. But that's how I feel.

    Finally, they are not really "completely different" issues. Both deal with the idea of national identity.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:39 pm

    I get what you are saying....

    To me, football needs to change with the times... and it always does in the end.... and people who recognise that change early and act upon it, they prosper!!

    TV's influence on football, and the synergy, was actually first recognised by none other than Berlusconi, when as a media mogul, he bought a struggling Milan. It was a very shrewd move, the synergies between his businesses grew, and we all know how successful it turned out.

    Globalisation is the next step... are you saying that the only fans that matter to Inter are the ones living in Milan?? Yeah, that was true 30-40 years ago... but now most of Inter fans live outside Milan... so why can't a few games be played near those fans?? China has hundreds of thousands of Inter fans, so why can't Inter play a home game in Beijing??

    Saying that all Inter home games should be played in San Siro, is like saying that all Inter's players should be Italian or perhaps Milanese... that is too extreme. I am all for tradition/identity, but not in extremes. Sure, I wouldn't mind a rule which says that 60% of a teams players should be local.... or that 60% of the home games have to be played locally... thats fine, some traditions/identity needs to be maintained.... but for the rest, football needs to move with the times...

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    bluenine wrote:Needing 6 players to be local means that more than half of your squad needs to be of local nationality.

    It will hurt Inter the most (in Italy), but I can see the clear merits in this rule.

    1. It will reduce the dominance of "rich" leagues over the "poor" ones, and IMO that is a good thing.

    2. It will also increase the correlation between quality of local talent and strength of clubs... countries with better depth of football talent will have stronger clubs... countries like France and Holland will really benefit from this

    3. More contenders for the CL, that can only be a good thing.

    As for the legal issues, I think UEFA have already sorted some of those out with the EU... they are anyways implementing the rule of "homegrown" players next season.

    I am with you on this. There will be resistance, even litigation. Clubs are very arrogant these days. It is also interesting that the day you post this, the Premiership is contemplating playing games abroad.
    There will be huge resistance, but if FIFA/UEFA can sort out the issue with EU, then no one can stop this. However, that is easier said than done, and obviously will take more than a year to implement.

    The EPL games abroad issue is completely different, and one I totally support. Serie A also looked at this model seriously sometime back (wasn't an italian supercup played in egypt??) but did not proceed with it - which is silly. International audiences are starting to sway things, and its very probable that EPL clubs will earn more than 50% of their money from outside of UK in 10 years time. This move (if it happens) will go a long way in selling the EPL brand in Asia/Americas... EPL is already the best packaged football product, and its marketing is already miles ahead of other big leagues. This will only take them one step further in that direction!

    Juve played in Tripoli (Libya). It caused a huge uproar amongst many, but mainly for xenophobic reasons. For me, it was a travesty for other reasons.

    I am old fashioned when it comes to football. I don't see the point of playing games in countries which have little connection with the teams. Exhibition games are different, but official games during the season? One more circus act if you ask me, and one too far.

    A terrible decision. I know you will disagree because you like the global appeal of football and any buttressing of that serves your convictions. But for me personally, I feel that moves like these come at the expense of local fans who are becoming increasingly alienated from their teams. Sure, it may become a necessity because of football's growing commercialism, but whether it's a good thing is a completely different issue.

    This is even more rich because I am a fan of Milan, and I live outside of Italy. But that's how I feel.

    Finally, they are not really "completely different" issues. Both deal with the idea of national identity.
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    Post by A & K Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:52 pm

    Blatter's plan is too harsh. But big clubs should reinforce their formation instead of buying young talents abroad. The way football is now is Cr@p, billionaires invest huge amount of cash, rich clubs buy all the best players that they didn't even form and basta the other less rich clubs have to start all over again with home grown players.
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    Post by Torrente Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:21 pm

    I would agree that the plan aims for a bit too much too quickly. I like Blatter's plan, but it should start with a small quota and move on from there.

    Like Jaime, I also think it's a shame that we've resorted to buy so many foreign players rather than fostering local talent. I would love it if we went back to having at least 7 Spanish players in the field like we used to.

    However, I don't think it's that bad if other teams have several foreigners in their lineup. It's their choice in the end. They should at least have 3 or 4 nationals in the starting line up though. What teams like Arsenal have done is way too over the top for me. They got to the final of the CL without even using a single English player in their lineup. I think they've already reached double figures in the number of times they've fielded a completely non-English lineup. I would dread it if Real Madrid did anything like that.
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    Post by A & K Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:19 pm

    Torrente, who's that guy with the hot chichks in ur avatar? Lucky guy.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:13 pm

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    The part about arsenal is not all true. i think cole got back against villarreal and campbell against barcelona. but that was pretty bad. and concerning Blunines suggestion that games should be played outside of the clubs stadium i couldnt disagree more. i dont even think it should be acceptable to play outside the normal stadium. i dont like all this money that has gotten into football and if it leads to this it would be a bad move. i think there should be 4-5 players from the country in the starting line up.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:28 pm

    Supermadrid,

    Let me try and visualise the future then... for a club like Real, to grow any bigger than what they are now, the only way is to get more fans abroad. Its like a Spanish company which has a large market share in Spain, and one of the finest products in the world. Now it needs to start exporting. Next step, start opening overseas offices. Presence in their major markets. Make their product truely global, start calculating your market share by what % of the global football market do you capture. Most top multinational companies started in this way... this is the way to globalisation.

    What could that mean for Real in the next 20-50 years, if Real have to remain a toip club? Try and visualise this:
    - 70-80% of their revenues coming from outside of Spain
    - 80-90% of their registered fans living outside of Spain
    - maybe having "home" stadiums in their major markets (China, India, Brazil, US, etc)

    Yeah, things like these sound outlandish... but some or all of them will happen, to a larger extent than not. Clubs are becoming global, and to stay ahead of the game, they will have to embrace that fact!! So far, EPL has embraced this concept more than any other league, and are miles ahead of others. I see them setting the trends for others to follow, so its no surprise that they are starting with this playing 1 match day abroad thing. Its a great concept, and it will increase their marketshare manyfold!!!!!!! Nothing like a competitive game to get people hooked!!!!

    I guess what I am saying is that all this is NOT BY CHOICE. Most clubs/leagues will be forced to take this path, or get left behind. Its economics.

    supermadrid wrote:Torrente
    The part about arsenal is not all true. i think cole got back against villarreal and campbell against barcelona. but that was pretty bad. and concerning Blunines suggestion that games should be played outside of the clubs stadium i couldnt disagree more. i dont even think it should be acceptable to play outside the normal stadium. i dont like all this money that has gotten into football and if it leads to this it would be a bad move. i think there should be 4-5 players from the country in the starting line up.

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