UEFA Cup Group Draw

Listen Bluey, it takes a lot to get a good word from Deano about spurs, so when he is talking about them then its best to take it seriously.

ballack wrote:Listen Bluey, it takes a lot to get a good word from Deano about spurs, so when he is talking about them then its best to take it seriously.

I have defended Spurs on too many occasions lately...too many for my liking.

kas wrote:Last year Spurs surprised me in the UEFA Cup, but on current form, I can't see them doing anything after the group stage. But of course that is only in Feb/March so they have time to turn things around. The tricky part right now will be managing the Thursday games while at the same time recovering their form in the league.

Spurs are so unpredictable you cant use form with them. They outplayed man utd. and also nearly beat liverpool. I think they can basically focus on the uefa cup now they are out of the cl chase. not that they were ever in it.

I never said it is not possible for Spurs to win, just that Fiorentina are better.

They have much better teamwork, lots of talented players, and a very good tactician.

And please, stop judging teams based on 1 game. Thats just silly.

Ricardo Jol wrote:fiorentina couldn't even win from Groningen a midtable side in the Netherlands... They were lucky on penalties... Why would it not possible for Spurs to win ?

I think Spurs will beat Fiorentina!

@Deano, I don't like doing player comparisons, coz they don't tell half the story... I have seen Spurs play many times, actually loved watching them last season (mostly coz of Berbatov), but the teamwork at fiorentina is better... the reserves at fiorentina are better... I think Fiorentina are a better team.

1-GK-Paul Robinson < Frey
2-RB-Pascal Chimbonda = Ujfalusi
16-LB-Gareth Bale < Pasqual
26-CB-Ledley King > Gamberini
5-CB-Younes Kaboul < Dainelli
25-RW-Aaron Lennon > Jorgensen
6-CM-Didier Zokora = Liverani
8-CM-Jermaine Jenas < Montolivo
15-LW-Steed Malbranque = Semioli
9-ST-Dimitar Berbatov = Mutu
10-ST-Robbie Keane. > Vieri

Subs:
12-GK-Radek Cerny > Avramov
20-CB-Michael Dawson < Vanden Borre
6-CM-Teemu Tainio < Donadel
18-ST-Jermain Defoe > Pazzini
23-ST-Darren Bent. > Osvaldo

And then Fiorentina have the likes of Balzaretti, Potenza, Kroldrup, Gobbi, Santana, Kuzmanovic, Pazienza, Lupoli, Hable, etc

Nah, Fiorentina have more quality as a squad. And some of the player comparisons where I put Spurs ahead may change very soon, and the kids at Fiorentina get better and better. Not sure for how long will Bent stay better than Osvaldo for example, or Kuzmanovic for that matter or Pazzini.

Vanden Borré better than Dawson! Madness...

The ratings you've done show Spurs to be better anyhow

Spurs also have TONNES more players that you haven't included like Lee Yung Pyo, Anthony Gardner, Tom Huddlestone (who is quality!), Boateng, Taarabt etc.

Vanden Borre has potential Dawson can only dream of. I remember he was outstanding against chelsea a coupla seasons ago in the CL. He debuted for belgium's national side at 16, and is now a regular at 19!!

Anyways, my ratings slightly favour fiorentina, learn how to add up

And its close only coz I have given a few tottenham players the benefit of doubt for having more experience. Gigliati and Bobo will slaughter me for some of my ratings....

Tweedle wrote:Vanden Borré better than Dawson! Madness...

The ratings you've done show Spurs to be better anyhow

Spurs also have TONNES more players that you haven't included like Lee Yung Pyo, Anthony Gardner, Tom Huddlestone (who is quality!), Boateng, Taarabt etc.

I've never watched Vanden Borre, but Dawson is Cr@p tbh. I don't rate him at all, so that particular rating doesn't surprise me.

VDB was shite in the season he moved to Fiorentina. Kompany>VDB.

bluenine wrote:Vanden Borre has potential Dawson can only dream of. I remember he was outstanding against chelsea a coupla seasons ago in the CL. He debuted for belgium's national side at 16, and is now a regular at 19!!

Anyways, my ratings slightly favour fiorentina, learn how to add up

And its close only coz I have given a few tottenham players the benefit of doubt for having more experience. Gigliati and Bobo will slaughter me for some of my ratings....

As Ballack (who lives in Belgium) has identified, Vanden Borré is pure hype. He's decent enough but I wouldn't say that he's better than Dawson from what I've seen.

In terms of your ratings, you've been reasonably fair, but I'd definately rate Chimbonda above Ujfalusi and your experience arguement makes no sense! In the first team you've rated King, Lennon and Keane as better than they're counterparts, who with the exception of King are all less experienced that their opposite numbers.

Spurs are with Anderlecht

Bolton with Bayern so far!

Everton have AZ and Zenit St Petersburg

Group A
AZ Alkmaar
Zenit St Petersburg
Everton
Nuremburg
Larissa

Group B
Panathinaikos
Lokomotiv Moscow
Atletico Madrid
Copenhagen
Aberdeen

Group C
Villarreal
AEK Athens
Fiorentina
Mlada Boleslav
Elfsborg

Group D
Basle
Hamburg
Stade Rennais
Dinamo Zagreb
Brann

Group E
Bayer Leverkusen
Sparta Prague
Spartak Moscow
Toulouse
Zurich

Group F
Bayern Munich
Bolton
Braga
Red Star Belgrade
Aris Thessaloniki

Group G
Anderlecht
Tottenham
Getafe
Hapoel Tel-Aviv
Aalborg

Group H
Bordeaux
Austria Vienna
Galatasaray
Panionios
Helsingborgs

kas wrote:Last year Spurs surprised me in the UEFA Cup, but on current form, I can't see them doing anything after the group stage. But of course that is only in Feb/March so they have time to turn things around. The tricky part right now will be managing the Thursday games while at the same time recovering their form in the league.

On current form Last game we just left Anfield with a point, infact were seconds away from getting 3 points from Liverpool.

There is no club in the UEFA cup who can claim to be better than Liverpool, so I say on current form, based on the last game we played, we'll be fine this season in the UEFA cup.

Whether Spuds are better than Fiorentina? Right now, based on league position, we cant claim to be better than anyone, just hope to play ourselves out of trouble.



PS - Deano, I worry about you; all these complimentary words about Spurs, you almost sound like you've chosen good judgement over one-eyed bias. Surely thats just not how its done on this board

Cant beleive Ashton is crocked AGAIN, just as he's about to make his debut again for England. Its like a recurring nightmare

A very tough group for Leverkusen, Bayern have the easiest group of all German teams.

Villlarreal-Fiorentina should answer a few arguments on here!

Great group for spurs, if they could have chosen for themselves it wouldn't have come out too different

chrissicross wrote:A very tough group for Leverkusen, Bayern have the easiest group of all German teams.

Whatever group Bayern are in they will negotiate with ease.

Everton and Spurs have good draws.

Cesc wrote:Everton have good draws.

only if you want them out, i seriously worry for them

easily lose to AZ who have a much better coach, a german tem is never easy, zenit who are no mugs and having seen them v metalist everton will struggle again, and larissa who have already turned over one english team

Not bad draw, couldn't ask for any better....Hope we play Anderlect at Home aswell....

Cesc wrote:

chrissicross wrote:A very tough group for Leverkusen, Bayern have the easiest group of all German teams.

Whatever group Bayern are in they will negotiate with ease.

I agree. That's why I think from a German point of view it would be better when Bayern and Leverkusen could swap their groups.

from the rules of uefa cup

Each club plays home and away alternately in its group. Three points are
awarded for a win, one point for a draw, and no points for a defeat. The
following match sequence applies:
1st matchday: D v. B C not playing
E v. A
2nd matchday: B v. E A not playing
C v. D
3rd matchday: A v. B D not playing
E v. C
4th matchday: C v. A B not playing
D v. E
5th matchday: A v. D E not playing

only prob here for us is that getafe are also ranked 3rd so i doubt they'd want us both playing at home on the same night.

PS

Two home, two away
Each club will play two matches at home and two away on the following dates: 25 October, 8 November, 29 November, 05/06 December, 19/20 December. A computer draw will determine the fixture schedule with factors such as stadium clashes and climatic conditions - it is not possible to play in some northern countries in mid-December - taken into account.

Sheffield gunner wrote:Villlarreal-Fiorentina should answer a few arguments on here!

Damn straight it will

Montelivio vs. Rossi.

Tweedle wrote:

Sheffield gunner wrote:Villlarreal-Fiorentina should answer a few arguments on here!

Damn straight it will

do you honestly believe that, if italy lose they'll just say they don't take it seriously

Decent draw for us. Could've been better - could have be worse. Just hope we don't have to travel to Israel *cue numerous jew references* .

From all evidence so far, Prandelli is taking UEFA Cup seriously. So this should settle some arguements. This is gonna be fun!! Very happy with the draw... Villareal vs Fiorentina, 05Dec I think.

However, this is just one game. I think the best indicator of who is better is how well they do domestically and in europe this season.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

Sheffield gunner wrote:Villlarreal-Fiorentina should answer a few arguments on here!

Damn straight it will

do you honestly believe that, if italy lose they'll just say they don't take it seriously

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Cesc wrote:Everton have good draws.

only if you want them out, i seriously worry for them

easily lose to AZ who have a much better coach, a german tem is never easy, zenit who are no mugs and having seen them v metalist everton will struggle again, and larissa who have already turned over one english team

Exactly. Zenit are close to winning the Russian (summer) league. Zenit >>> Metalist. Imo Everton have a very tough draw.

Group A is deffo group of death. All very tough teams, no easy games.

Im sure Anelka will be running around the Allianz with for sale on his back hoping for a move.